UK General Discussion: Rishecession

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Sometimes a picture captures a moment better than any live comment update

They say a picture can say a thousand words.

[CityofSinners]

Read High Peak MP Robert Largan has a very subtle article on the state of the party.

https://www.questmedianetwork.co.uk/news/glossop-chronicle/largan-column-warning-of-the-dangers-of-dumpster-fires/

[DINGO Joe]

YouGov polling of Tory members for the Times finds 55% want Truss to resign. Other headline results from the poll:

• Sunak would beat Truss 55%-25% in a rerun of the ballot.
• Johnson (somehow) leads the list of preferred replacement PMs with 32%, ahead of Rishi Sunak with 22%, Wallace on 10%, Mordaunt on 9% and Badenoch on 8%.
• 60% of members want a unity candidate to emerge.
• 50% of members think the membership should be excluded from the next leadership election.

Yeah, they look like a useful collection of people

[JimJamUK]

6% of the public approve of the governments handing of the economy. Interestingly, we still haven’t reached American style ‘this person is absolutely rubbish, therefore I say they’re rubbish on everything without thinking’, with defence and terrorism still in positive territory and even unemployment isn’t too bad despite being an economic question.

https://twitter.com/yougov/status/1582372958130958336?s=61&t=FDFZ9kQXVSulR61...

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

6% of the public approve of the governments handing of the economy. Interestingly, we still haven’t reached American style ‘this person is absolutely rubbish, therefore I say they’re rubbish on everything without thinking’, with defence and terrorism still in positive territory and even unemployment isn’t too bad despite being an economic question.

https://twitter.com/yougov/status/1582372958130958336?s=61&t=FDFZ9kQXVSulR61...

I mean I think in the US the Republicans lead on terrorism since it's basically code in American's minds for 'bombing brown people'. I can't imagine it would be that different in the UK.

[Torrain]

YouGov polling of Tory members for the Times finds 55% want Truss to resign. Other headline results from the poll:

• Sunak would beat Truss 55%-25% in a rerun of the ballot.
• Johnson (somehow) leads the list of preferred replacement PMs with 32%, ahead of Rishi Sunak with 22%, Wallace on 10%, Mordaunt on 9% and Badenoch on 8%.
• 60% of members want a unity candidate to emerge.
• 50% of members think the membership should be excluded from the next leadership election.

Yeah, they look like a useful collection of people

The line I used to hear people band around was - "Labour fall in love, Tories fall in line."

That's been flipped in the leadership races conducted during this parliamentary term (Starmer is the most rational candidate Labour have chosen since Blair, and Truss is the most heart-over-head candidate the Tories have picked since IDS).

But it now looks like the Tory faithful might be falling in line, scared by the existential threat implied by this month's polling. The same cannot, however, be said for the party's MPs who seem to be unable to find a consensus candidate.

[brucejoel99]

YouGov polling of Tory members for the Times finds 55% want Truss to resign. Other headline results from the poll:

• Sunak would beat Truss 55%-25% in a rerun of the ballot.
• Johnson (somehow) leads the list of preferred replacement PMs with 32%, ahead of Rishi Sunak with 22%, Wallace on 10%, Mordaunt on 9% and Badenoch on 8%.
• 60% of members want a unity candidate to emerge.
• 50% of members think the membership should be excluded from the next leadership election.

Yeah, they look like a useful collection of people

The line I used to hear people band around was - "Labour fall in love, Tories fall in line."

That's been flipped in the leadership races conducted during this parliamentary term (Starmer is the most rational candidate Labour have chosen since Blair, and Truss is the most heart-over-head candidate the Tories have picked since IDS).

But it now looks like the Tory faithful might be falling in line, scared by the existential threat implied by this month's polling. The same cannot, however, be said for the party's MPs who seem to be unable to find a consensus candidate.

Whether it's Labour electing Keith to succeed Corbyn, or half of the Tories immediately realizing that they f**ked up by picking Truss over Rish!, both sides' memberships have been forced to engage in some very unorthodox humbling.

[Torrain]

Even Welsh politics is kicking off now:
https://mobile.twitter.com/paulbranditv/status/1582384814942195713?s=46&t=tg...
The chaos of the last month is a gift to every other party in this country - one that will keep giving for a long time.

[brucejoel99]

https://twitter.com/samfr/status/1582346744008159232

[TheTide]

She's going to do it, it seems. At least one Conservative MP had already declared her opposition (Maria Caulfield).

[Torrain]

Feels like the triple-lock is going to be another rebellion to add to the pile. Surely the cabinet can't expect to limp from one bruising policy fight to another for the next 24 months?

Another interesting bit of parliamentary business from today:
Stella Creasey (Labour) introduced an amendment in Parliament to put buffer zones around UK abortion clinics. The amendment passed, 297 ayes to 110 noes on a free vote (no whipping, as is traditional on issues considered 'matters of conscience'). Conservative MPs voted for the motion 113-103 (ayes-noes), but cabinet members voted against it 2-7 (ayes-noes) - yet another sign of how the cabinet has drifted to the right under Truss' leadership, both socially and economically. 

Edit: breakdown here. Cabinet noes are Braverman, Rees-Mogg, Badenoch, Jayawardena, Donelan, Simon Clarke. Ayes include Penny Mordaunt, Steve Baker (!?) and Theresa May. Always some interesting results in an unwhipped vote.

[brucejoel99]

Incredibly based:

https://twitter.com/theousherwood/status/1582324631129665538
Very unbased:

https://twitter.com/theousherwood/status/1582334327085355010

[Antonio the Sixth]

Incredibly based:

https://twitter.com/theousherwood/status/1582324631129665538
Very unbased:

https://twitter.com/theousherwood/status/1582334327085355010

It seems to me that Mordaunt is the obvious choice. She's the candidate with the highest MP support who didn't lose a membership vote to Truss, and while she has her detractors in the party, she's not as strongly associated with a specific faction of the party as any other big name. It would also neutralize the (admittedly hard to take seriously) "you're only knifing her because she's a woman!" line by Truss dead-enders.

[brucejoel99]

Incredibly based:

https://twitter.com/theousherwood/status/1582324631129665538

Very unbased:

https://twitter.com/theousherwood/status/1582334327085355010

It seems to me that Mordaunt is the obvious choice. She's the candidate with the highest MP support who didn't lose a membership vote to Truss, and while she has her detractors in the party, she's not as strongly associated with a specific faction of the party as any other big name. It would also neutralize the (admittedly hard to take seriously) "you're only knifing her because she's a woman!" line by Truss dead-enders.

Right, but Ruislip's hopeful Churchill being forced to watch the reinstallation of the very PM he knifed to seize power would just be the chef's kiss of modern British politics' meme outcomes, hence the aforementioned basedness

[TheTide]

Alright, this is getting disturbing.

https://twitter.com/LOS_Fisher/status/1582424888987373568?s=20&t=_BgUTg-VWhv...

[brucejoel99]

https://twitter.com/dpjhodges/status/1582430237911969793

[Torrain]

Right, but Ruislip's hopeful Churchill being forced to watch the reinstallation of the very PM he knifed to seize power would just be the chef's kiss of modern British politics' meme outcomes, hence the aforementioned basedness

“Once I was Theresa the Grey. But now, I am Theresa the White, and I come to you now, at the turn of the tide.”

[afleitch]

In fairness, the pension 'triple lock' was always just pork, based on an extremely generous measure that trumped both state benefits and real wages. An inflation busting rise for Tory client voters is not, in the current climate, a smart political move.

[TheTide]

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1582442591861149696?s=20&t=wwlk8BhZ1...

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1582442591861149696?s=20&t=wwlk8BhZ1...

I almost suffered a stroke from trying to read that first sentence.

[Cassius]

The problem with the Tezza and Jezza rose tinted nostalgia is that people forget what happened when they were in government.

[Senator Incitatus]

Johnson leading seems like a case of voters saying, "You're going to lose the next election anyway; please just put someone in who can do the job."

[Senator Incitatus]

In fairness, the pension 'triple lock' was always just pork

[Oryxslayer]

Johnson leading seems like a case of voters saying, "You're going to lose the next election anyway; please just put someone in who can do the job."

Nah, there are others capturing that lane. Johnson's support is "I don't look bad by comparison now, see?"

That said, in Johnson's ideal world he would come back a bit later than 1 month after his departure - memories still haven't fully vanished.

[brucejoel99]

FWIW:

https://twitter.com/stevenjnorris/status/1582422519809998849