Conservatives Promote American Version of Infant Abandonment System

[Frodo]

Drop Box for Babies: Conservatives Promote a Way to Give Up Newborns Anonymously
After Roe, groups are seeking to expand safe haven laws, which allow women to surrender babies with minimal interference. But these laws pose their own problems.



Doesn't it remind you of the 'foundling wheels' of southern Italy which had a very similar function?

[Skill and Chance]

Not sure if there's anything particularly bad about this or that it has much to do with abortion being legal or illegal?

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

Many in the GOP also oppose adoption now.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Not sure if there's anything particularly bad about this or that it has much to do with abortion being legal or illegal?

It doesn't. These have been around for a while.

[Born to Slay. Forced to Work.]

Every community in the country should have this. It’s sad but a parent realizing they can’t raise a child is better then them abusing and resenting them

[Fuzzy Bear]

Every community in the country should have this. It’s sad but a parent realizing they can’t raise a child is better then them abusing and resenting them

Or killing them or leaving them in dumpsters to die.

These things happened.  Preventing them was the goal of these drop-off stations.

[Del Tachi]

Many in the GOP also oppose adoption now.

Citation needed.

[Schiff for Senate]

Every community in the country should have this. It’s sad but a parent realizing they can’t raise a child is better then them abusing and resenting them

Agreed. If parents realise they won't raise a kid right, it's better that child is here than in a trash can or a dumpster, or in an abusive environment.

[Ferguson97]

Many in the GOP also oppose adoption now.

Citation needed.

https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1548294384663220229

[DrScholl]

There is nothing to stop whoever operates these drop boxes from refusing to report an abandoned baby to social services unlike hospitals and fires stations would do. This is an open door for traffickers to get ahold of babies to sell and there are plenty of wealthy people with no scruples who will purchase babies. Not to mention no one knows what kind of people are behind these drop boxes to begin with.

[Fuzzy Bear]

There is nothing to stop whoever operates these drop boxes from refusing to report an abandoned baby to social services unlike hospitals and fires stations would do. This is an open door for traffickers to get ahold of babies to sell and there are plenty of wealthy people with no scruples who will purchase babies. Not to mention no one knows what kind of people are behind these drop boxes to begin with.

The whole purpose of these programs is to allow a mother to abandon a baby consequence-free, as opposed to putting it in a dumpster.

Even if I accept the premise of your last two (2) sentences, is this not better than kids being left in dumpsters?

In Florida, babies 3 days old or younger can be left at Fire Stations. 

This measure is better than not having this measure.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

There is nothing to stop whoever operates these drop boxes from refusing to report an abandoned baby to social services unlike hospitals and fires stations would do. This is an open door for traffickers to get ahold of babies to sell and there are plenty of wealthy people with no scruples who will purchase babies. Not to mention no one knows what kind of people are behind these drop boxes to begin with.

These are usually at hospitals and fire stations, and the organizations that lobby for them are well-known. I absolutely agree that they are an unsettling concept, but whatever alternative you'd suggest has yet to be advocated for in this thread.

[Zenobiyl]

Many in the GOP also oppose adoption now.

I highly doubt that

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Many in the GOP also oppose adoption now.

Citation needed.

https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1548294384663220229

That's what I thought. It's really just her, and no one on the right can figure out why. She's just that nuts.

[Indy Texas 🇺🇦🇵🇸]

There is nothing to stop whoever operates these drop boxes from refusing to report an abandoned baby to social services unlike hospitals and fires stations would do. This is an open door for traffickers to get ahold of babies to sell and there are plenty of wealthy people with no scruples who will purchase babies. Not to mention no one knows what kind of people are behind these drop boxes to begin with.

The whole purpose of these programs is to allow a mother to abandon a baby consequence-free, as opposed to putting it in a dumpster.

Even if I accept the premise of your last two (2) sentences, is this not better than kids being left in dumpsters?

In Florida, babies 3 days old or younger can be left at Fire Stations. 

This measure is better than not having this measure.

In Texas, there have been a scandalous number of deaths of children in our underfunded state foster care system which Republicans refuse to fund adequately.

Are you willing to pay more tax to ensure an adequate number of facilities and caregivers for children who are wards of the state? Are you willing to foster or adopt unwanted children?

Of course you're not. You just want to force women to give birth to them. Once that's been accomplished, you could care less about what happens for the rest of their lives.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

There is nothing to stop whoever operates these drop boxes from refusing to report an abandoned baby to social services unlike hospitals and fires stations would do. This is an open door for traffickers to get ahold of babies to sell and there are plenty of wealthy people with no scruples who will purchase babies. Not to mention no one knows what kind of people are behind these drop boxes to begin with.

The whole purpose of these programs is to allow a mother to abandon a baby consequence-free, as opposed to putting it in a dumpster.

Even if I accept the premise of your last two (2) sentences, is this not better than kids being left in dumpsters?

In Florida, babies 3 days old or younger can be left at Fire Stations. 

This measure is better than not having this measure.

In Texas, there have been a scandalous number of deaths of children in our underfunded state foster care system which Republicans refuse to fund adequately.

Are you willing to pay more tax to ensure an adequate number of facilities and caregivers for children who are wards of the state? Are you willing to foster or adopt unwanted children?

Of course you're not. You just want to force women to give birth to them. Once that's been accomplished, you could care less about what happens for the rest of their lives.

Fuzzy has talked before about his experience adopting a child, so it's a little weird to just assume he would never do such a thing.

[Fuzzy Bear]

There is nothing to stop whoever operates these drop boxes from refusing to report an abandoned baby to social services unlike hospitals and fires stations would do. This is an open door for traffickers to get ahold of babies to sell and there are plenty of wealthy people with no scruples who will purchase babies. Not to mention no one knows what kind of people are behind these drop boxes to begin with.

The whole purpose of these programs is to allow a mother to abandon a baby consequence-free, as opposed to putting it in a dumpster.

Even if I accept the premise of your last two (2) sentences, is this not better than kids being left in dumpsters?

In Florida, babies 3 days old or younger can be left at Fire Stations. 

This measure is better than not having this measure.

In Texas, there have been a scandalous number of deaths of children in our underfunded state foster care system which Republicans refuse to fund adequately.

Are you willing to pay more tax to ensure an adequate number of facilities and caregivers for children who are wards of the state? Are you willing to foster or adopt unwanted children?

Of course you're not. You just want to force women to give birth to them. Once that's been accomplished, you could care less about what happens for the rest of their lives.

My 17 year old son is my adopted step-grandson, adopted through the Foster Care system.  He was adopted at age 5, when my wife and I were in our 50s.  We had cared for him since he was 1 1/2 and he was living with us full-time since he was 2 1/2.  

The last time I spoke at a public political event was a candidates forum in 2003.  My question was why none of the candidates were even addressing the issue of the shameful condition of Florida's Foster Care system, and that no candidates were even making it a priority.  And, yes, I have indeed advocated for greater funding and still do, as the need in this area continues to rise.

You taking a swipe at me having the facts at your disposal but not doing your research is par for the course.  That's pretty low, but it's par for the course from you.

[Fuzzy Bear]

There is nothing to stop whoever operates these drop boxes from refusing to report an abandoned baby to social services unlike hospitals and fires stations would do. This is an open door for traffickers to get ahold of babies to sell and there are plenty of wealthy people with no scruples who will purchase babies. Not to mention no one knows what kind of people are behind these drop boxes to begin with.

The whole purpose of these programs is to allow a mother to abandon a baby consequence-free, as opposed to putting it in a dumpster.

Even if I accept the premise of your last two (2) sentences, is this not better than kids being left in dumpsters?

In Florida, babies 3 days old or younger can be left at Fire Stations. 

This measure is better than not having this measure.

In Texas, there have been a scandalous number of deaths of children in our underfunded state foster care system which Republicans refuse to fund adequately.

Are you willing to pay more tax to ensure an adequate number of facilities and caregivers for children who are wards of the state? Are you willing to foster or adopt unwanted children?

Of course you're not. You just want to force women to give birth to them. Once that's been accomplished, you could care less about what happens for the rest of their lives.

My 17 year old son is my adopted step-grandson, adopted through the Foster Care system.  He was adopted at age 5, when my wife and I were in our 50s.  We had cared for him since he was 1 1/2 and he was living with us full-time since he was 2 1/2.  

The last time I spoke at a public political event was a candidates forum in 2003.  My question was why none of the candidates were even addressing the issue of the shameful condition of Florida's Foster Care system, and that no candidates were even making it a priority.  And, yes, I have indeed advocated for greater funding and still do, as the need in this area continues to rise.

You taking a swipe at me having the facts at your disposal but not doing your research is par for the course.  That's pretty low, but it's par for the course from you.

And while we're at it, what of any of this do YOU do?

Posting on Atlas is cheap.  What have YOU done for any of this that has cost you in any kind of commitment?

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Interesting as it is for one of Fuzzy's red-avatar interlocutors to derail the thread rather than Fuzzy himself, I'm not convinced we as a forum will benefit from having this particular argument yet again.

[Del Tachi]

Many in the GOP also oppose adoption now.

Citation needed.

https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1548294384663220229

So a single, deeply unpopular member of the GOP making some weird off-the-cuff comment that was probably about transgenderism = "many in the GOP"? 

Go touch some grass.  Evangelical Christians adopt and foster kids at higher rates than anyone else, you know? 

[Fuzzy Bear]

Interesting as it is for one of Fuzzy's red-avatar interlocutors to derail the thread rather than Fuzzy himself, I'm not convinced we as a forum will benefit from having this particular argument yet again.

I note that his personal attack on me and my wife is allowed to stand.

[Person Man]

Many in the GOP also oppose adoption now.

Citation needed.

https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1548294384663220229

That's what I thought. It's really just her, and no one on the right can figure out why. She's just that nuts.

She’s probably not the only one that senior that thinks that way.

[MasterJedi]

The bad thing is a lot of kids given up get passed into religious institutions which are there to groom the kids into child brides. Not a good situation post roe, government needs to turn its eye to the evangelical churches as the abuse will be allowed skyrocket as the pipelines are well in place. It’s why they pushed so hard.

[Person Man]

We’re slowly going the way of Rome.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Interesting as it is for one of Fuzzy's red-avatar interlocutors to derail the thread rather than Fuzzy himself, I'm not convinced we as a forum will benefit from having this particular argument yet again.

I note that his personal attack on me and my wife is allowed to stand.

I'd have deleted it on sight if I moderated this board. I think it's unacceptable.