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Sept 3, 1939 (France and Britain Declare War on Germany)
 
#2
June 4, 1940 (Dunkirk evacuations succeed)
 
#3
October 23, 1940 (Spain doesn’t join Axis)
 
#4
October 31, 1940 (Germany significantly cuts back bombing of UK due to losses)
 
#5
November-December 1940 (Soviet-Axis talks stall, USSR doesn’t join Axis)
 
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March 11, 1941 (USA approves Lend-Lease to European Allies)
 
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June 22, 1941 (Germany invades USSR)
 
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January  7th, 1942 (Barbarossa fails, Germany can’t reach Moscow)
 
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December 11th, 1941 (USA declares war on Germany)
 
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February 2, 1943 (Germany loses Battle of Stalingrad)
 
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July 25, 1943 (Germany diverts units to occupy Italy)
 
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August 23, 1943 (Germany loses Battle of Kursk)
 
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January 27, 1944 (Germany withdraws from Leningrad)
 
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June 6, 1944 (D-Day landings)
 
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January 25th, 1945 (Allies win Battle of Bulge)
 
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May 8th, 1945 (Germany finally surrenders)
 
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« on: August 13, 2022, 05:37:01 PM »

Probably when it invaded the USSR. I'm not gonna do the meme and say it's impossible to invade Russia, but trying to invade Russia while pursuing a grinding war with a US-armed Britain (and the increasing likelihood that the US was going to intervene eventually, was always going to be a recipe for disaster. Hitler's best bet was always going to be to wait out the UK until they broke and negotiated a separate peace. Then if he really wanted to stick it to Stalin he should probably have waited at least a few years to consolidate his hold over continental Europe and rebuild his strength. Of course even then it would have been a tall order, but at least he wouldn't have forced himself into the situation that even the Kaiserreich was desperately trying to avoid in 1914.

Thank goodness for evil's self-defeating nature.

I mean invading the USSR though was the entire goal of the war to begin with , not defeating the UK . So I don’t get the what ifs behind what if the Nazis didn’t invade the USSR because in that case they would not be Nazis to begin with .

good thing I said this then

He couldn't wait though, for economic reasons. He needed the resources of the Soviet Union and he needed their oil.

He also couldn't really defeat England during any reasonable amount of time that he might have waited.

Its a similar dynamic that Napoleon found himself in. He couldn't defeat England directly, Russia couldn't afford to not trade with England and Napoleon couldn't defeat England without adherence to the continental system.
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