Republican AG says he'll investigate Indiana doctor who provided care to 10-year-old rape victim

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https://mobile.twitter.com/NoLieWithBTC/status/1547582267291082752

Not unexpected either.

Republicans are just evil.

And completely silent in this thread one notes. Cowards as well as venal.

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I honestly don't know which aspect of this story is the worst:

- A 10 year old girl was raped by a 27 year old man
- Conservatives have abolished the right to abortion, and Ohio immediately banned it
- The 10 year old was therefore forced to be taken across state lines to another state to get an abortion; that state also being hostile to abortion rights
- Conservatives didn't believe this story even happened, with multiple talking heads on Fox calling it a lie
- When shown to be true, conservatives pivot to falsely accusing the abortion doctor of not following protocol (she did, of course), the real purpose of which is to doxx her and hope she gets attacked for doing her job at all
- The entire 'debate' over whether a 10 year old should be forced to give birth is reignited again

And yet somehow Democrats are the ones sprinting to the fringes?  What the actual f—k is happening in this country?

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https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1547706187361107970

And the thread never heard from DT again.....

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Anyway, I was initially going to post about how blue avatars and their allies aren't posting here of course. But maybe it's better they didn't because after watching a handful of posters who did so and try to do pay limitations of being human beings, other such contributions would be pure facepalm or frankly more so just plain disgusting

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Abortion is the killing of the innocent human life, regardless of the circumstances.

All innocent life ought to not be killed. If an innocent human life is killed, their ought to be an investigation and prosecution.

Children's bodies are not meant to give birth. The innocent life here is that of the child who was raped, not of a clump of cells. This is ghoulish.

There are two (2) innocent human lives here.  Their interests were, at certain levels, at odds.  The unborn child was, however, no less human than it's mother, and the tragic circumstances of the conception do not diminish the humanity of the unborn child one iota.

What are people's capacity for love here?  The capacity to love a 10 year old child who's suffered something awful and who will have ongoing special medical and emotional needs, coupled with the capacity to love a newborn who would come into the World through tragic circumstances, but who is innocent, blameless, and undeserving of a painful death.

That this is life at its most difficult goes without saying, but there is the easy thing and the right thing here.  For myself, I would be prepared to turn my life upside down to bring all here to wholeness safe and sound.

My own situation is nowhere near as awful, but my 17 year old son is a step-grandson whose parents' lives went off the rails.  My prayer when it became clear that he would be ours to raise going forward was "God, don't let me fail that boy!".  That was a decision I made; I was not going to fail him, and with God's help, I haven't.  This situation is 10,000 more difficult, but to get through it requires making a decision to see the right thing through.  And my main priority would be on making my 10 year old daughter whole, if I were in that Father's situation.

The idea that the 10 year old would have the abortion and then just go on with her life is, likely, wishful thinking.  A 10 year old is certainly not ready to RAISE a child, but what happens when that 10 year old becomes a 20 year old with the belief that she KILLED that child?  Please don't tell me that doesn't happen; in my days as a counselor, I knew more than one female client who had remorse over abortions, and this child will not comprehend the whole of the act of an abortion until later.  How sideways could THAT go?  Now none of that has any impact as to the humanity of the child, either, but this idea that abortion negates the trauma of situations like this is simply not a given.

Don't you dare. Don't you God damn Double Dare try to rap the Unspeakable horror what you and your Taliban like ilk are forcing this little girl to go through as somehow being equivalent to "love". You can take that self-sanctimonious smarmy nicey nice piety and shove it. You aren't enforcing this Fiat out of "love". Leave that to her mother who knows a million billion times better than some old coot in Florida as to what is best for her physically and emotionally scarred daughter then some person who will never meet her.

I'd say there'd be no death to the amount of Shame you should feel for this post, but we already know this is beyond you and your ilk. Pound salt old man.

Furthermore, don't you dare talk about protecting this little child's Mental Health because there are some women who indeed regret after abortion so you and your pastor and other churches praise them around on stages as if they are victims of the mean old abortion industry having hypnotize them into getting an abortion. The ugly facts for you is the vast majority of women who had an abortion are at least comfortable with their decision. It may not be a pleasant experience, but let's just say it's a tiny bit better than say being a 10 year old being forced to give birth to their rapist child?

The mask is off. You and your ilk are literally no better than the goddamn taliban. I'm done with you. You are on ignore long ago with your incessant whining and bitching that anyone calls you out on your foolishness whether about the big lie or your sanctimonious wanting to turn America into it theocracy to satisfy your own fundamentalist intolerant beliefs, but I'm so glad I peeked at your post and had the chance to call you out on this complete and utter b*******. Have a nice day.

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The odds that a 20 year old woman would be psychologically traumatized over having an abortion at age 10 because she has since decided that abortion is murder and morally wrong even in such a situation would be minuscule compared to the odds that a 20 year old woman would be psychologically traumatized after giving birth at age 10.

Yeah. From these scenarios..

- Raped as a 10 year old, possibly by father or uncle
- Pregnant for 9 months including the baby kicking, morning sickness
- Giving birth as a 10 year old, maybe had some chance of dying
- Had an abortion when 10, ended the life of the fetus

... which do you think is most likely to cause deep trauma that requires therapy, and which do you think is least likely? Seems obvious to me.

Why would it be obvious?

If a child is raped and becomes pregnant, the likelihood of deep trauma that requires therapy is very high. Beyond that what basis is there for saying for sure whether abortion or birth would be more likely to compound the trauma? 

I just don't even know what else to say at this point. If you honestly don't grasp what pregnancy and birth do mentally and physically to a body of any age, much less a preteen carrying her adult rapist's baby, I guess you're just going to have to take the word of people who do.

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The odds that a 20 year old woman would be psychologically traumatized over having an abortion at age 10 because she has since decided that abortion is murder and morally wrong even in such a situation would be minuscule compared to the odds that a 20 year old woman would be psychologically traumatized after giving birth at age 10.

Yeah. From these scenarios..

- Raped as a 10 year old, possibly by father or uncle
- Pregnant for 9 months including the baby kicking, morning sickness
- Giving birth as a 10 year old, maybe had some chance of dying
- Had an abortion when 10, ended the life of the fetus

... which do you think is most likely to cause deep trauma that requires therapy, and which do you think is least likely? Seems obvious to me.

Why would it be obvious?

If a child is raped and becomes pregnant, the likelihood of deep trauma that requires therapy is very high. Beyond that what basis is there for saying for sure whether abortion or birth would be more likely to compound the trauma?  

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I just don't even know what else to say at this point. If you honestly don't grasp what pregnancy and birth do mentally and physically to a body of any age, much less a preteen carrying her adult rapist's baby, I guess you're just going to have to take the word of people who do.

Why would I take your word for it?  I would take the word of women who had been through this or something similar, and had either had an abortion or given birth. The problem is we know that women don't all respond the same way in either situation.  What do you say to the women raped at a young age who regret their abortions and those who do not regret giving birth?  

But isn't this the point of anti-abortionists like yourself to make the solution of one size fit all rather than allowing the choice up to the individual woman or their parents?

Look dude. We know where your loyalties lie, so please stop spouting off like an extremely foolish individual

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The odds that a 20 year old woman would be psychologically traumatized over having an abortion at age 10 because she has since decided that abortion is murder and morally wrong even in such a situation would be minuscule compared to the odds that a 20 year old woman would be psychologically traumatized after giving birth at age 10.

Yeah. From these scenarios..

- Raped as a 10 year old, possibly by father or uncle
- Pregnant for 9 months including the baby kicking, morning sickness
- Giving birth as a 10 year old, maybe had some chance of dying
- Had an abortion when 10, ended the life of the fetus

... which do you think is most likely to cause deep trauma that requires therapy, and which do you think is least likely? Seems obvious to me.

Why would it be obvious?

If a child is raped and becomes pregnant, the likelihood of deep trauma that requires therapy is very high. Beyond that what basis is there for saying for sure whether abortion or birth would be more likely to compound the trauma?  

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I just don't even know what else to say at this point. If you honestly don't grasp what pregnancy and birth do mentally and physically to a body of any age, much less a preteen carrying her adult rapist's baby, I guess you're just going to have to take the word of people who do.

Why would I take your word for it?  I would take the word of women who had been through this or something similar, and had either had an abortion or given birth. The problem is we know that women don't all respond the same way in either situation.  What do you say to the women raped at a young age who regret their abortions and those who do not regret giving birth?

Obviously I would say "I respect your opinion but also recognize you're in the extreme minority." What else would you expect me to say?

There are plenty of testimonials out there of women who gave birth as a preteen if you honestly don't grasp how horrific it is.

And abortion isn't horrific?

I'm asking what is your evidence that they are in the extreme minority?

And the mask slips off. "ful## that little girl" "Thoughts and prayers ", but I'd sooner see a 10-year-old girl go through the horror and Trauma of being forced to Bear her rapists child then give her and her mother even the option of terminating the pregnancy because that's what I believe and that's all that matters.

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The idea that the 10 year old would have the abortion and then just go on with her life is, likely, wishful thinking.  A 10 year old is certainly not ready to RAISE a child, but what happens when that 10 year old becomes a 20 year old with the belief that she KILLED that child? 

If anyone were to try and tell this girl that she "killed her child", they are a horrible person. Full stop.

People come to that idea by themselves.  People really can use their own God-given logic.  They can see an unborn child (theirs, or someone else's) and  see it as human.  They can do that without the help of the "Right Wing Noise Machine"; they can look at their unborn child, or the unborn child of another and say, "I was there once!".  And, having concluded that, they can ask themselves if the child was a human yesterday.  And the day before that.  And the day before that, etc.  That's an easy thing to do with human life that is at a stage that you were once at.

Of course, maybe you can't.  Maybe your immersion into your particular World View has neutralized a part of your basic humanity.  If that's the case, that's a shame.

Yes. He isn't the one trying to force a 10-year-old girl to Bear her rapists baby,  and he's the one showing a complete disconnect from caring about this girl's long-term mental and physical health.

Despicable