If Russia wins the war, how many other countries will they invade?
       |           

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
April 25, 2024, 06:59:47 PM
News: Election Simulator 2.0 Released. Senate/Gubernatorial maps, proportional electoral votes, and more - Read more

  Talk Elections
  General Politics
  International General Discussion (Moderators: afleitch, Hash)
  If Russia wins the war, how many other countries will they invade?
« previous next »
Pages: [1] 2
Author Topic: If Russia wins the war, how many other countries will they invade?  (Read 1773 times)
SnowLabrador
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 9,577
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« on: July 01, 2022, 05:11:59 PM »

I think Moldova for sure, and likely the Baltic states as well. Yes, I'm aware that the Baltic states are NATO members, but Putin's insane enough to do it.
Logged
Middle-aged Europe
Old Europe
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 17,219
Ukraine


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2022, 06:56:38 PM »

What would even count as a "win" at this point? The successful occupation of the entirety of the Donbas? Even if this is successfully achieved in the end, the possibly pyrrhic nature of that victory might be enough of a deterrence already. If Putin loses 100,000 troops over the course of a two-year war or so then it will be more of a face-saving measure for him.

In short, I doubt that Russia will "win". More like a stalemate.
Logged
PSOL
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 19,191


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2022, 08:23:36 PM »

The next strategic objective would be either to go for stabilizing the situation in the Caucasus or Central Asia.

Russia however is performing badly and I doubt they have any ability to improve their army under the current set of conditions well enough to engage in another high-intensity expeditionary campaign for the next decade or so without major allies. That the main reason Belarus didn’t engage in fighting in Ukraine was over risk of defections, and almost every other CSTO government has read the room and has been looking anywhere else but aligning more with Russia since 2014 or so, Russia is doing squat short term and I doubt the Putin administration lasts a decade more.
Logged
Blue3
Starwatcher
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 12,061
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2022, 09:01:12 PM »

Moldova, and the breakaway regions of Georgia. If really nuts, Belarus or Kazakhstan.
Logged
Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas
Ray Goldfield
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 7,776


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2022, 10:39:04 PM »

If Kyiv falls entirely, everything is on the table. Putin likely annexes the country, then declares that no NATO country can be on Russia's borders, and it's game on. But that seems entirely unlikely to happen again, with Putin's sad-ass retro draftee army and their janky 1980s arms battling to hold onto even their very modest eastern gains.
Logged
President Punxsutawney Phil
TimTurner
Atlas Politician
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 41,453
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2022, 10:40:28 PM »

The next strategic objective would be either to go for stabilizing the situation in the Caucasus or Central Asia.
Logged
dead0man
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 46,337
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2022, 11:19:52 PM »

The odds of Russia "winning" at this point are extremely long.  Putin is far more likely to die before Russia defeats Ukraine.  If the west completely abandoned Ukraine tomorrow it would still take Russia months to "win" and it still wouldn't be a guarantee.

We might as well discuss what the next Green Party nominee will do in their first hundred days as POTUS.
Logged
Pericles
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 17,113


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2022, 12:03:07 AM »

If Putin threatened a NATO member, not only would they be able to defend themselves but he would be laughed out of the room. Smaller non-NATO countries remain vulnerable, but if Russia has any sense they will wait a few years to completely reform and rebuild their military. Indeed, hopefully Ukraine continues to bleed out Russia while the West wrecks their economy, so Putin or a more rational Russian leader will be even more deterred from invading a sovereign nation again.
Logged
CumbrianLefty
CumbrianLeftie
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 11,817
United Kingdom


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2022, 06:48:55 AM »

Moldova might have merged with Romania (or at least be well on the way to doing so) by the time the Russians get around to there. Which would still leave Transnistria's status unresolved, of course.
Logged
Virginiá
Virginia
Administratrix
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 18,892
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -6.97, S: -5.91

WWW Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2022, 07:42:33 AM »

Russia's offensive capabilities are already languishing now and they have barely captured a 1/5th of Ukraine. It's going to take them years to rebuild their military, especially if they are still under heavy sanctions.

I'd like to see how this conflict ends before guessing, but I would say Georgia. Belarus is a client state already, and Kazakhstan is probably too large for Russia to successfully occupy. The Russian military's logistical capabilities are just terrible. If Russia fails in Ukraine, and Putin is still in power years from now, it's possible he might want to reorganize & rebuild his forces to try again, but I doubt that would happen for a number of reasons. One in particular being how well-armed, well-trained and fortified Ukraine is going to become if Russia pulls out or a stalemate along the current lines (more or less) occurs.
Logged
Filuwaúrdjan
Realpolitik
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 67,709
United Kingdom


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2022, 07:48:11 AM »

With what?
Logged
MABA 2020
MakeAmericaBritishAgain
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,829
United Kingdom


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2022, 02:10:12 PM »

At this point any Russian victory is likely to be a pyrrhic victory so... zero?
Logged
bilaps
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,789
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2022, 06:56:31 PM »

Lol, thos thread is a pure gold
Logged
KaiserDave
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 13,622
United States


Political Matrix
E: -5.81, S: -5.39

P

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2022, 07:30:49 PM »

Lol, thos thread is a pure gold

You are a dummkopf
Logged
bilaps
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,789
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2022, 01:16:58 AM »


What's going on in Lysychansk?
Logged
CumbrianLefty
CumbrianLeftie
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 11,817
United Kingdom


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2022, 05:20:18 AM »

Lol, thos thread is a pure gold

I would have thought you got excited at the thought of Russia invading more countries.
Logged
bilaps
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,789
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #16 on: July 03, 2022, 05:23:24 AM »

Lol, thos thread is a pure gold

I would have thought you got excited at the thought of Russia invading more countries.

No, zero percent chance for that. Although, I never understood those Baltic states. Small countries who behave like British empire in it's prime.
Logged
Middle-aged Europe
Old Europe
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 17,219
Ukraine


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #17 on: July 03, 2022, 05:45:14 AM »

Lol, thos thread is a pure gold

How about providing some actual arguments instead of writing cheap "lololol, I owned you, lol" posts riddled with poor orthography like you're a ten-year-old or something?
Logged
bilaps
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,789
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #18 on: July 03, 2022, 06:52:37 AM »

Lol, thos thread is a pure gold

How about providing some actual arguments instead of writing cheap "lololol, I owned you, lol" posts riddled with poor orthography like you're a ten-year-old or something?

Actual arguments for Russia going to invade countires until it reaches Portugal or something? That type of BS doesn't deserve more than oneliner
Logged
nicholas.slaydon
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,091
Ukraine


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2022, 03:13:47 PM »

Even if Russia "wins" in Ukraine, which is a big if in and of itself, I think that there can be no doubt that future Russian military intervention can be expected. However, I don't think it would likely be in Europe, and I don't think it would even be anywhere in the near future. Likely, any future Russian intervention would be in the Middle East, West Asia or the Caucasus. However, if no real attempt is made to stop Russian aggression, I think that years and decades down the line future aggression can be expected, even in Europe (of course that is all dependent on how long Putin lasts, and what happens politically in Russia once he goes).
Logged
Person Man
Angry_Weasel
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 36,689
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #20 on: July 03, 2022, 05:42:17 PM »

Even if Russia "wins" in Ukraine, which is a big if in and of itself, I think that there can be no doubt that future Russian military intervention can be expected. However, I don't think it would likely be in Europe, and I don't think it would even be anywhere in the near future. Likely, any future Russian intervention would be in the Middle East, West Asia or the Caucasus. However, if no real attempt is made to stop Russian aggression, I think that years and decades down the line future aggression can be expected, even in Europe (of course that is all dependent on how long Putin lasts, and what happens politically in Russia once he goes).

Russia is a time bomb. No doubt about it.
Logged
All Along The Watchtower
Progressive Realist
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 15,496
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #21 on: July 04, 2022, 12:31:51 AM »

This question implies that Putin and his supporters—and fwiw, a lot of Russians who are not his supporters—have the same kind of Complex regarding other countries in Europe that they do with Ukraine. Or that the Russian military has any serious capability left for other misadventures.

What Russia is doing in Ukraine is horrifying and criminal, but from their point of view (note that I do not endorse this) they’re pacifying what is essentially a rogue region of historical “Greater Russia.” Think Chechnya, not the Baltics.
Logged
○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└
jfern
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 53,733


Political Matrix
E: -7.38, S: -8.36

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #22 on: July 04, 2022, 12:34:23 AM »

If things were to go extremely well for Russia, maybe Moldova or Georgia, but that's it.
Logged
CumbrianLefty
CumbrianLeftie
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 11,817
United Kingdom


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #23 on: July 04, 2022, 05:43:18 AM »

This question implies that Putin and his supporters—and fwiw, a lot of Russians who are not his supporters—have the same kind of Complex regarding other countries in Europe that they do with Ukraine. Or that the Russian military has any serious capability left for other misadventures.

I do indeed take your latter point - but the idea that Russia should restore the "glory days" and take pretty much the entire former Soviet/Tsarist empire back, is now a staple of state media.
Logged
Meclazine for Israel
Meclazine
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 13,827
Australia


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #24 on: July 04, 2022, 08:32:03 PM »

Moldova, Khazakstan, Uzbekistan.

Little bit of Poland and Finland.

Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania.

They could be in this for the long haul.
Logged
Pages: [1] 2  
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Terms of Service - DMCA Agent and Policy - Privacy Policy and Cookies

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines

Page created in 0.056 seconds with 11 queries.