Hoh on the Ballot: Green party celebratory thread

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https://ballot-access.org/2022/06/27/signers-of-north-carolina-green-petition-are-getting-multiple-text-messages-from-democratic-party-operatives/

Yet, the State Board of Elections has apparently furnished the list to the Democratic Party group.
One text says, “If the Green Party is on the ballot in 2022 and 2024, it will take votes away from the Democrats, giving Republicans a huge advantage that will help them win North Carolina in 2022 and 2024.”

Some of the phone calls claim the Green Party itself is calling.

https://twitter.com/MatthewPHoh/status/1540745516169961472?cxt=HHwWgICxycf46eEqA...

Democracy and voter choice isn’t prioritized by either party. Shameful given that in these competitive midterms third party support is often negligible and usually done by people who would not vote for either party. What are the democrats afraid of by allowing voters another option?

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US Senate candidate to represent the people of North Carolina. Green Party.

Wow sounds like an unbiased individual to me.

Various people have already gotten this message and from the tricks done these past few years, this isn’t exactly not in their alley to get the greens off the ballot.

I mean who else would announce this but the person most affected by this ratf•••ing

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This isn't a "trick". They're flat out asking if the person wants to do that and can only take action with their permission.

They’re pretending to be the Green Party while doing some of the calls, that’s excessive trickery.

VoTe DeMoCrAt To SaVe DeMoCrAcY!

Unironically yes.

I’ve seen how they’re working the Jan 6th coup and their track record on civil liberties, they aren’t protecting our system from Republican onslaught.

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This isn't a "trick". They're flat out asking if the person wants to do that and can only take action with their permission.

They’re pretending to be the Green Party while doing some of the calls, that’s excessive trickery.

Cite? And proof that this is illegal?

BAN and the numerous Hoh supporters getting calls. It ain’t illegal but still a ratf•••, don’t deny it.

Hopefully the Democrats keep up the good work

You want to set the precedent for Republicans to pull the same stunt and go through all sorts of tricks to get your preferred candidate off the ballot?

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You don’t need a candidate on the ballot to leave it blank. Which is identical to voting green.

The analogy doesn’t work, this is tantamount to taking away abstaining from voting.

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I noticed that PSOL never really gets the response he wants in his Green Party threads.

These are actually the responses I expect, I make them to expose the hypocrisy for the few ready to listen and see reality and for this to be a painful reminder from the past several years when Democrats do get screwed over.

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Even after failing to invalidate the signatures, the Democrats in collusion with state board removes Hoh off the ballot

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The idea that most of the third party vote is to “send a message” to either larger party is inherently wrong. They do so because they are unrepresented by either larger party and have been courted by the third party one way or another. Most third party votes are just demographic votes by members whose demographic isn’t being served to.

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With the case in court, in a surprise twist of events, DSA mouthpiece Jacobin Magazine has released this article in support of the Green party. This is the only article mentioning the Green party or a currently existing left party in more than two years.

The greens have done an amazing job of amplifying the concern to the general public.

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The Democratic party is intervening on the case, and the greens are trying to get them off the court case

even the AP and NPR have run stories on it (and even portrayed the green party's perspective in a fairly sympathetic light for once). honestly some of the best national press the greens have gotten in like... forever

the state board of elections are apparently having another meeting this coming monday re: the petition, and the first court hearing starts the following monday. ballots are due to be printed mid-august so a decision will have to come before then

Not even the Maine removal, where the green party has a strong presence in, has gotten much statewide or national attention. This is a league over the norm from the media.

Hopefully the Green party learns to always stand against the injustice they are facing, the caving in California’s recall was particularly saddening.

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A hard won victory

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A hard won victory

Fortunately, the Get Republicans Elected Every November Party still can’t run any candidates b/c the filing deadline has passed

I would assume he would still be able to run in 2022, no?

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A hard won victory

Fortunately, the Get Republicans Elected Every November Party still can’t run any candidates b/c the filing deadline has passed

I would assume he would still be able to run in 2022, no?

No, the 2022 deadline passed

What BS, the Green party should sue

The Greens need to start running more candidates in swing states to take revenge at the behemoth.

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A hard won victory

Fortunately, the Get Republicans Elected Every November Party still can’t run any candidates b/c the filing deadline has passed

I would assume he would still be able to run in 2022, no?

No, the 2022 deadline passed

What BS, the Green party should sue

The Greens need to start running more candidates in swing states to take revenge at the behemoth.

Getting Republicans Elected Every November to own the libs

Maybe the Democrats should appeal to getting green party voters instead of engaging in ballot repression.

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Entryism is a superior strategy to going it alone in a two-party system, period.

Has always failed harder, always. Ask the RWH what happened when they basically became Jesse Jackson’s campaign infrastructure how they did afterwards.

This is a great victory for democracy. Great that the people of North Carolina have options to vote as they please. Now it’s time to give it their all for 2022.

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latest update: a u.s. district court has ruled that the demonrat party must pay the greens' legal fees bc their lawsuit trying to kick the 2022 green nc senate candidate off the ballot was "frivolous and without foundation"

I get that these hard-knocks tactics are effective for Democrats in the short-term. Political hobbyists also love them, because they appeal to their instinctive drive for a strong force wielding power on their behalf. But I can't blame frequent third-party voters for laughing off Democratic appeals to "protecting democracy" when they pull these stunts.

There's a school of thought that says this is fair play, politics is a dirty game and there's no use in being naive. Which is coherent enough, but when you don't treat people like they're a part of your team, don't be surprised when they act like it.

(The organizers for those other parties really are a different team. But many of those who vote for them, especially when that vote is larger than usual, are not.)

It's crazy how no one ever comes back into office after losing a previous election, due to a spoiler candidate, with a plan to move to rank choice voting, even though this would be the pragmatic choice for anyone whose top concern is defeating Republicans.

I would recommend this post if your comments about teams was gone. The consistent Green Party unilateral decisions to support democratic candidates in Florida, Oregon, and Illinois in recent memory shows that this is not true.

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I would recommend this post if your comments about teams was gone. The consistent Green Party unilateral decisions to support democratic candidates in Florida, Oregon, and Illinois in recent memory shows that this is not true.

My perspective is shaped by state parties in my corner of the country, but this is a good point. The Greens in particular are a lot more pragmatic than they're often given credit for, especially when you look at how difficult it is even for major parties to keep embarrassing wingnuts off of their ballot lines in every state. Increasingly large contrast with the Libertarians in that regard.

The Green modus operandi is exactly the same as the libertarians, so you really don’t know what you are talking about.

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The Greens have been significantly more successful than the Libertarians at keeping bona fide political extremists off of their ballot line and at preventing factions with views broadly unacceptable to the American mainstream from having significant influence within the party. Those are reasons for Democrats to view them with less hostility, in addition the occasional state-level cooperation that you mention. Please find someone else if you're looking for an argument.

There is no argument because this line of thinking is false.

Hawkins is arguably the most radical candidate the Green Party has ever run in major races outside of the likes of Joel Kovel, Richard D Wolff, and Kevin Zeese and if anything he got rid of loonies from anti-vaxxers, Ba'athists, eco-fascists and Democratic identity politics. radical left-wing candidates like the various trotskyist parties and, in the past, Stalinists from the PSL have no discernible better electoral results than moderate members of the party. Hawkin's fall from grace is due to the Left turning on him over his foreign policy views with Jill "Raisin' more for a recount" Stein whose moderate influence has decimated the confidence the Left has with the Greens.

The history of the Green Party itself can be summarized by moderates and rightists in its ranks sabotaging the party only to be saved by its Left and allies.

idk, Libertarians finally ran an actual one in 2020 instead of LINOs these past three cycles and did pretty well in promoting the party and libertarianism until MAGAts decided to kill it.