Hoh on the Ballot: Green party celebratory thread

[ReallySuper]

the deadline technically passed on july 1 but even the board agreed that it should be extended by the federal court, which has a hearing scheduled for next monday, august 8. there's really no argument to keep them off the ballot now other than the democrats whining that they will have to compete for votes. welcome to democracy.

this is obviously what the dems on the board intended from the beginning tho, to just delay the certification until after the filing deadline regardless of the number of valid signatures and then throw their hands up and say "oh no, we missed the deadline! now we can't put them on the ballot! however could this have happened?" thankfully it backfired on them bc of the unexpected amount of media attention they garnered in the process

[Ferguson97]

A hard won victory

Fortunately, the Get Republicans Elected Every November Party still can’t run any candidates b/c the filing deadline has passed

I would assume he would still be able to run in 2022, no?

No, the 2022 deadline passed

What BS, the Green party should sue

The Greens need to start running more candidates in swing states to take revenge at the behemoth.

Getting Republicans Elected Every November to own the libs

[PSOL]

A hard won victory

Fortunately, the Get Republicans Elected Every November Party still can’t run any candidates b/c the filing deadline has passed

I would assume he would still be able to run in 2022, no?

No, the 2022 deadline passed

What BS, the Green party should sue

The Greens need to start running more candidates in swing states to take revenge at the behemoth.

Getting Republicans Elected Every November to own the libs

Maybe the Democrats should appeal to getting green party voters instead of engaging in ballot repression.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

A hard won victory

Fortunately, the Get Republicans Elected Every November Party still can’t run any candidates b/c the filing deadline has passed

I would assume he would still be able to run in 2022, no?

No, the 2022 deadline passed

What BS, the Green party should sue

The Greens need to start running more candidates in swing states to take revenge at the behemoth.

Getting Republicans Elected Every November to own the libs

Maybe the Democrats should appeal to getting green party voters instead of engaging in ballot repression.

Silence, Republican!

[Unbeatable Titan Susan Collins]

The Greens made the ballot.

https://twitter.com/TravisFain/status/1555693775502073856

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

The Greens made the ballot.

https://twitter.com/TravisFain/status/1555693775502073856

That’s what appeals and emergency injunctions are for

[No War, but the War on Christmas]

Entryism is a superior strategy to going it alone in a two-party system, period.

[PSOL]

Entryism is a superior strategy to going it alone in a two-party system, period.

Has always failed harder, always. Ask the RWH what happened when they basically became Jesse Jackson’s campaign infrastructure how they did afterwards.

This is a great victory for democracy. Great that the people of North Carolina have options to vote as they please. Now it’s time to give it their all for 2022.

[No War, but the War on Christmas]

Entryism is a superior strategy to going it alone in a two-party system, period.

Has always failed harder, always. Ask the RWH what happened when they basically became Jesse Jackson’s campaign infrastructure how they did afterwards.

This is a great victory for democracy. Great that the people of North Carolina have options to vote as they please. Now it’s time to give it their all for 2022.

Eh, has it? One could argue that Bernie's campaign in 2016 was a form of 'entryism' and I'd say that he's had a huge influence on the left-wing movement in this country and significantly pulled the Democratic Party as a whole to the left, including making 'Socialism' a non-scary word among many Progressives and Americans which was a huge accomplishment in and of itself.

Now we've got a growing Democratic Socialist movement in the Democratic Party and while I will never vilify fellow Leftists fighting the good fight outside the party I also believe that there's something to be said for fighting for our causes inside the biggest political vehicle for the 'Left' and Progressivism in this country whether we like it or not.

[ReallySuper]

latest update: a u.s. district court has ruled that the demonrat party must pay the greens' legal fees bc their lawsuit trying to kick the 2022 green nc senate candidate off the ballot was "frivolous and without foundation"

[Electric Circus]

latest update: a u.s. district court has ruled that the demonrat party must pay the greens' legal fees bc their lawsuit trying to kick the 2022 green nc senate candidate off the ballot was "frivolous and without foundation"

I get that these hard-knocks tactics are effective for Democrats in the short-term. Political hobbyists also love them, because they appeal to their instinctive drive for a strong force wielding power on their behalf. But I can't blame frequent third-party voters for laughing off Democratic appeals to "protecting democracy" when they pull these stunts.

There's a school of thought that says this is fair play, politics is a dirty game and there's no use in being naive. Which is coherent enough, but when you don't treat people like they're a part of your team, don't be surprised when they act like it.

(The organizers for those other parties really are a different team. But many of those who vote for them, especially when that vote is larger than usual, are not.)

It's crazy how no one ever comes back into office after losing a previous election, due to a spoiler candidate, with a plan to move to rank choice voting, even though this would be the pragmatic choice for anyone whose top concern is defeating Republicans.

[PSOL]

latest update: a u.s. district court has ruled that the demonrat party must pay the greens' legal fees bc their lawsuit trying to kick the 2022 green nc senate candidate off the ballot was "frivolous and without foundation"

I get that these hard-knocks tactics are effective for Democrats in the short-term. Political hobbyists also love them, because they appeal to their instinctive drive for a strong force wielding power on their behalf. But I can't blame frequent third-party voters for laughing off Democratic appeals to "protecting democracy" when they pull these stunts.

There's a school of thought that says this is fair play, politics is a dirty game and there's no use in being naive. Which is coherent enough, but when you don't treat people like they're a part of your team, don't be surprised when they act like it.

(The organizers for those other parties really are a different team. But many of those who vote for them, especially when that vote is larger than usual, are not.)

It's crazy how no one ever comes back into office after losing a previous election, due to a spoiler candidate, with a plan to move to rank choice voting, even though this would be the pragmatic choice for anyone whose top concern is defeating Republicans.

I would recommend this post if your comments about teams was gone. The consistent Green Party unilateral decisions to support democratic candidates in Florida, Oregon, and Illinois in recent memory shows that this is not true.

[Electric Circus]

I would recommend this post if your comments about teams was gone. The consistent Green Party unilateral decisions to support democratic candidates in Florida, Oregon, and Illinois in recent memory shows that this is not true.

My perspective is shaped by state parties in my corner of the country, but this is a good point. The Greens in particular are a lot more pragmatic than they're often given credit for, especially when you look at how difficult it is even for major parties to keep embarrassing wingnuts off of their ballot lines in every state. Increasingly large contrast with the Libertarians in that regard.

[PSOL]

I would recommend this post if your comments about teams was gone. The consistent Green Party unilateral decisions to support democratic candidates in Florida, Oregon, and Illinois in recent memory shows that this is not true.

My perspective is shaped by state parties in my corner of the country, but this is a good point. The Greens in particular are a lot more pragmatic than they're often given credit for, especially when you look at how difficult it is even for major parties to keep embarrassing wingnuts off of their ballot lines in every state. Increasingly large contrast with the Libertarians in that regard.

The Green modus operandi is exactly the same as the libertarians, so you really don’t know what you are talking about.

[Electric Circus]

The Greens have been significantly more successful than the Libertarians at keeping bona fide political extremists off of their ballot line and at preventing factions with views broadly unacceptable to the American mainstream from having significant influence within the party. Those are reasons for Democrats to view them with less hostility, in addition the occasional state-level cooperation that you mention. Please find someone else if you're looking for an argument.

[PSOL]

The Greens have been significantly more successful than the Libertarians at keeping bona fide political extremists off of their ballot line and at preventing factions with views broadly unacceptable to the American mainstream from having significant influence within the party. Those are reasons for Democrats to view them with less hostility, in addition the occasional state-level cooperation that you mention. Please find someone else if you're looking for an argument.

There is no argument because this line of thinking is false.

Hawkins is arguably the most radical candidate the Green Party has ever run in major races outside of the likes of Joel Kovel, Richard D Wolff, and Kevin Zeese and if anything he got rid of loonies from anti-vaxxers, Ba'athists, eco-fascists and Democratic identity politics. radical left-wing candidates like the various trotskyist parties and, in the past, Stalinists from the PSL have no discernible better electoral results than moderate members of the party. Hawkin's fall from grace is due to the Left turning on him over his foreign policy views with Jill "Raisin' more for a recount" Stein whose moderate influence has decimated the confidence the Left has with the Greens.

The history of the Green Party itself can be summarized by moderates and rightists in its ranks sabotaging the party only to be saved by its Left and allies.

idk, Libertarians finally ran an actual one in 2020 instead of LINOs these past three cycles and did pretty well in promoting the party and libertarianism until MAGAts decided to kill it.