Is evangelicalism the right wing version of wokeness?
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« on: June 25, 2022, 11:07:05 AM »

Let’s look at some similarities between Jesus freak conservatives and wokies:

Both hold their views to be axiomatic
Both think that anyone who doesn’t agree with them 100% of the time is the enemy
Both hold extreme social/cultural views
Both will force the Republicans/Democrats to push for extremely tactless and unpopular legislation just for short term victories
Both want to force their way of life on everyone else
Both like to cancel people/companies for trivial reasons
Both get offended really easily
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« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2022, 11:27:21 AM »

Yes. Or more accurately, the wokies are the left-wing version of evangelicals, as the latter were here first. There’s a reason I call the wokies “puritans,” who were the forefathers (ideologically and in some cases literally) of modern evangelicals.
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« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2022, 11:40:39 AM »

Apart from phrasing it the other way around, this is not a new observation at all.
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« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2022, 11:47:44 AM »

Yes. Evangelicalism came first too.
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« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2022, 12:06:59 PM »

Wokies don’t call society the “new Babylon” deserving of gods wrath.
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« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2022, 12:24:45 PM »

Generally, yes.  They are essentially 2 wings of literalist Protestant theology, even though many on the woke side would deny it.  This is also why I expect an Evangelical left wing to develop pretty rapidly now that abortion is out of the picture in most Southern states.
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« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2022, 12:27:27 PM »

If this is meant to "both sides" away Wokeism, then that's pretty cringe.  Equating anti-racism with religion is not a good look. 
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« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2022, 12:41:36 PM »

If this is meant to "both sides" away Wokeism, then that's pretty cringe.  Equating anti-racism with religion is not a good look. 
Wokeism isn't anti-racism
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« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2022, 12:49:30 PM »

If this is meant to "both sides" away Wokeism, then that's pretty cringe.  Equating anti-racism with religion is not a good look. 

In theory anti-racism and Christianity should be very compatible.

That is not the question, however. The question is whether excluding people from society to protect some ideal of  society is the same as trying to include people into society in ways that are detrimental to them. Many times, being “evangelical” and “woke” can be accomplished at the same time by the same act. For example, believing that finding vaccines for disabling conditions is “genocide” of or the “abortion” of disabled people. That’s both woke and and evangelical. Also to a certain point of hawkishness towards sex work and sex workers. That’s both woke and evangelical.

To a certain point, RFRA was both woke and evangelical. Why do you think the two offices that wrote the bills were the staffers of Ted Kennedy and Orrin Hatch?
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« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2022, 12:59:54 PM »

Wokies don’t call society the “new Babylon” deserving of gods wrath.
Many of them do think that American society should be torn down and rebuilt in order to remove “institutional racism”
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« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2022, 01:02:11 PM »

Wokies don’t call society the “new Babylon” deserving of gods wrath.
Many of them do think that American society should be torn down and rebuilt in order to remove “institutional racism”
I guess the line comes in between if Wokies say that their opponents deserve pain inflicted upon them by god and that the woke population should isolate themselves and take over. Most wokies do not advocate for that.
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« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2022, 02:42:58 PM »

Wokies don’t call society the “new Babylon” deserving of gods wrath.
Many of them do think that American society should be torn down and rebuilt in order to remove “institutional racism”
I guess the line comes in between if Wokies say that their opponents deserve pain inflicted upon them by god and that the woke population should isolate themselves and take over. Most wokies do not advocate for that.

The only modern reason why “Evangelicals” (BRTD is an Evangelical so, we do need quotes) isolated from the rest of society is that they were run out of town as people got sick and tired of right-wingers running everything in the late 20s. Things like the Scopes Trial and Prohibition really made people start to look down on them even though it really took the Depression starting to have people not listen to them. It must be understood that even in the 30s, they were looking into the Republican Party as a vehicle to regain relevance.
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« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2022, 03:52:52 PM »

Not necessarily, wokeism was a left-wing reaction to the moralistic tendencies of The Christian Right.
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« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2022, 03:54:32 PM »

Perhaps, but far (far) more harmful to the individual and society at large.
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« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2022, 04:12:46 PM »

If this is meant to "both sides" away Wokeism, then that's pretty cringe.  Equating anti-racism with religion is not a good look. 

In theory anti-racism and Christianity should be very compatible.

That is not the question, however. The question is whether excluding people from society to protect some ideal of  society is the same as trying to include people into society in ways that are detrimental to them. Many times, being “evangelical” and “woke” can be accomplished at the same time by the same act. For example, believing that finding vaccines for disabling conditions is “genocide” of or the “abortion” of disabled people. That’s both woke and and evangelical. Also to a certain point of hawkishness towards sex work and sex workers. That’s both woke and evangelical.

To a certain point, RFRA was both woke and evangelical. Why do you think the two offices that wrote the bills were the staffers of Ted Kennedy and Orrin Hatch?

Well right wing evangelicals believe in Trickle-Down Jesus.
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« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2022, 04:35:58 PM »

No. Unlike wokeness, those who espouse evangelicalism hold institutional power.
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« Reply #16 on: June 25, 2022, 07:32:08 PM »

If this is meant to "both sides" away Wokeism, then that's pretty cringe.  Equating anti-racism with religion is not a good look. 

It's not a good look, but I think religion is an accurate comparison when talking about most social justice activism in this country today.
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« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2022, 07:46:25 PM »

No. Unlike wokeness, those who espouse evangelicalism hold institutional power.

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« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2022, 08:13:11 PM »

If this is meant to "both sides" away Wokeism, then that's pretty cringe.  Equating anti-racism with religion is not a good look. 

no country where republicans hold all the state legislative seats they hold is "woke"
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« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2022, 09:48:56 PM »

Also worth noting that induction into either of these groups involves being “reborn” as a more “enlightened” person
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« Reply #20 on: June 25, 2022, 09:51:59 PM »

I should warn people against associating Evangelicalism with the modern day republican party in the US. There are evangelicals in other countries for which the US situation is almost complerely useless.

Evangelicalism in the classic definition is faith in Jesus christ, salvation, scipture. There is nothing about one's political stances.
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« Reply #21 on: June 25, 2022, 09:59:34 PM »

Please point to when a left-wing bakery shop owner refused to bake a cake for an anti-abortion group and was so bothered by it that they went all the way to the Supreme Court over it.
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« Reply #22 on: June 26, 2022, 07:57:11 AM »

I've never heard a clear definition of "wokeness" that didn't boil down to "thing I don't like" and I don't like evangelism, so clearly the answer is yes
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« Reply #23 on: June 26, 2022, 09:56:24 AM »

Generally, yes.  They are essentially 2 wings of literalist Protestant theology, even though many on the woke side would deny it.  This is also why I expect an Evangelical left wing to develop pretty rapidly now that abortion is out of the picture in most Southern states.

There has been a strong pro-critical race theory wing of the Southern Baptist Convention for years now.
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