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« on: June 26, 2022, 04:04:48 PM »

Disapprove of all. Islam is way past its due date from what it was and Christianity—especially Pauline Christianity—were the Lassalleans of their day. Just useful idiots for the establishment and ultimately opponents of both the peasantry, Jews, and even the small pool of wage laborers spreading the gospel.

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« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2022, 06:17:03 PM »

Disapprove of all. Islam is way past its due date from what it was and Christianity—especially Pauline Christianity—were the Lassalleans of their day. Just useful idiots for the establishment and ultimately opponents of both the peasantry, Jews, and even the small pool of wage laborers spreading the gospel.

I notice that you, wisely in my opinion, avoided passing any specific judgment on Judaism.
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Yeah, tell that to Barnabas, or even Marcion telling everyone what most church leaders were already thinking but couldn’t speak out loud for respectability politics and virtue signaling.

Oh wait lol I read that wrong.

mainstream Judaism east of Antioch and north of Rome has mostly gotten better in a way with the adoption of Greek materialism to become Rabbinic Judaism, basically rendering most Christian critiques mute, but as an ideology for the Jews it has sort of stuck around in benefitting the population until the 1700s or so. That European-descended Jews exist and are thriving given the circumstances explains its holding power. This accounts only for Reform and some strands of Conservative Jewish schools. Otherwise (insert anti-religion argument ).

Now, I have to lend credit to the Jews of Arabia for their fierce support for collectivism, for how could the capitalist that was Muhammad take over and at least push the ball there a bit. Same credit goes to the gnostic christians and other heretics there whose beliefs when mixed with Iranian materialism of Mazdak greatly expanded proto-socialist thought. How else was the great Abbasid revolution to take place or the creation of a proto-bourgeois revolution in Fatimid Egypt or a proto-socialist one by the Qarmatians.
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« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2022, 07:03:55 PM »

Netanyahu and Likud in general are not on the same scale or shape as the other examples. The best thing to point out is something like the orthodox horror shows of hierarchal abusive dynasties in a Judaism that was never practiced like that before until the 1800s, or Kach Kahane/Otzma Yehudit-style action as a reflection of Zionism.

Interpreting the religions in a more “modern” direction just leads to the same conclusions. The books constituting the Torah and other supplementary texts are undeniable chauvinistic and self-constraining of a besieged people fighting others in the rat race. The Bible as read the same is very moody in its condemnation of the world and want of isolation, with consequences of breaking out of the ingroup. The Quran has major sections be about war and giving glory to Muhammad’s victories, with later examples showing the torture and punishment of Muhammad’s opponents in hell, and extolling incredibly conservative values against hedonistic elitists enjoying libertine treats middle income groups could not afford as much at the time.

Each text is inherently connected to the time period it was written in, given the loads and loads of references and subtext of said time even in prayer, and are shaped by the real world as was going on to the writers and patrons of the text at the time. I don’t know where this nonsense that the “bad modernist “or old “traditionalists” are not from that religion or that they lead to the same “path” comes from.
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