Opinion of these Abrahamic religions

[Vice President Christian Man]

Made a new post since I messed up on my original poll.

[DaleCooper]

I voted "Approve" for all, but it's complicated.

[Mopsus]

Where’s Samaritanism? Where’s Mandaeism? Where’s Druzism? Come on man, it’s like you’re not even trying to raise the level of discussion on this board!

[If my soul was made of stone]

Where’s Samaritanism? Where’s Mandaeism? Where’s Druzism? Come on man, it’s like you’re not even trying to raise the level of discussion on this board!

my opinion of bahá'í is positive because of seals and crofts imo

[PSOL]

Disapprove of all. Islam is way past its due date from what it was and Christianity—especially Pauline Christianity—were the Lassalleans of their day. Just useful idiots for the establishment and ultimately opponents of both the peasantry, Jews, and even the small pool of wage laborers spreading the gospel.

[Biden his time]

Disapprove of all. Islam is way past its due date from what it was and Christianity—especially Pauline Christianity—were the Lassalleans of their day. Just useful idiots for the establishment and ultimately opponents of both the peasantry, Jews, and even the small pool of wage laborers spreading the gospel.

Communist moment

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

Disapprove of all. Islam is way past its due date from what it was and Christianity—especially Pauline Christianity—were the Lassalleans of their day. Just useful idiots for the establishment and ultimately opponents of both the peasantry, Jews, and even the small pool of wage laborers spreading the gospel.

I notice that you, wisely in my opinion, avoided passing any specific judgment on Judaism.

[afleitch]

Not my bag. But I generally preference both Islam and Judaism over Christianity. Perhaps familiarity breeds contempt.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Approved of Islam, neutral on Christianity and Judaism.

[PSOL]

Disapprove of all. Islam is way past its due date from what it was and Christianity—especially Pauline Christianity—were the Lassalleans of their day. Just useful idiots for the establishment and ultimately opponents of both the peasantry, Jews, and even the small pool of wage laborers spreading the gospel.

I notice that you, wisely in my opinion, avoided passing any specific judgment on Judaism.

😂

Yeah, tell that to Barnabas, or even Marcion telling everyone what most church leaders were already thinking but couldn’t speak out loud for respectability politics and virtue signaling.

Oh wait lol I read that wrong.

mainstream Judaism east of Antioch and north of Rome has mostly gotten better in a way with the adoption of Greek materialism to become Rabbinic Judaism, basically rendering most Christian critiques mute, but as an ideology for the Jews it has sort of stuck around in benefitting the population until the 1700s or so. That European-descended Jews exist and are thriving given the circumstances explains its holding power. This accounts only for Reform and some strands of Conservative Jewish schools. Otherwise (insert anti-religion argument ).

Now, I have to lend credit to the Jews of Arabia for their fierce support for collectivism, for how could the capitalist that was Muhammad take over and at least push the ball there a bit. Same credit goes to the gnostic christians and other heretics there whose beliefs when mixed with Iranian materialism of Mazdak greatly expanded proto-socialist thought. How else was the great Abbasid revolution to take place or the creation of a proto-bourgeois revolution in Fatimid Egypt or a proto-socialist one by the Qarmatians.

[Santander]

Christianity: HP
Judaism: FF
Islam: FF

[dead0man]

neutral, neutral, disapprove.

[All Along The Watchtower]

Well, I’m a Christian, I have no quarrel with Islam, and it is always important to be vigilant against anti-Semitism. So…

[FT-02 Senator A.F.E. 🇵🇸🤝🇺🇸🤝🇺🇦]

Christianity: You're considered to be Ahl al-Kitab, therefore neutral to positive
Judaism: Same as Christianity
Islam: Saying I approve of it would be a massive, massive, understatement

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

The answer to all of these is 'depends'. On each spectrum for each one you have people like ER, Netanyahu, and the Taliban (they aren't that equal, but the point stands) but you also have many others who are just normal people with a spiritual connection to their religion (this is particularly common among Jews (for obvious reasons) and to a lesser extent Christians).

And millions of different parts in between.

Now, if we follow Islam word-for-word as it is in the Quran, HR. If we follow Christianity word-for-word as it is in the Bible, HR. If we follow Judaism as it is word-for-word in the Torah, HR. But if we interpret it in a modern sense, all are FR.

[Statilius the Epicurean]

Baha’i erasure yet again. Smh.

[If my soul was made of stone]

Baha’i erasure yet again. Smh.

Summer breeze does not appear to make OP feel fine, sadly.

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

The answer to all of these is 'depends'. On each spectrum for each one you have people like ER, Netanyahu, and the Taliban (they aren't that equal, but the point stands) but you also have many others who are just normal people with a spiritual connection to their religion (this is particularly common among Jews (for obvious reasons) and to a lesser extent Christians).

And millions of different parts in between.

Now, if we follow Islam word-for-word as it is in the Quran, HR. If we follow Christianity word-for-word as it is in the Bible, HR. If we follow Judaism as it is word-for-word in the Torah, HR. But if we interpret it in a modern sense, all are FR.

I understand what you're getting at, but the idea that there's a single "modern sense" in which to interpret any given religion's tenets strikes me as a pretty serious misunderstanding of what's actually at stake in the sorts of intrareligious disputes you're alluding to. Very little, religion-wise, is more aggressively modern than boilerplate Nixonian-ratf**ked Global South Evangelicalism or the "bulldoze 'idolatrous' shrines that have been around for a thousand years to throw up parking garages" Saudi style of Islam.

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

The answer to all of these is 'depends'. On each spectrum for each one you have people like ER, Netanyahu, and the Taliban (they aren't that equal, but the point stands) but you also have many others who are just normal people with a spiritual connection to their religion (this is particularly common among Jews (for obvious reasons) and to a lesser extent Christians).

And millions of different parts in between.

Now, if we follow Islam word-for-word as it is in the Quran, HR. If we follow Christianity word-for-word as it is in the Bible, HR. If we follow Judaism as it is word-for-word in the Torah, HR. But if we interpret it in a modern sense, all are FR.

I understand what you're getting at, but the idea that there's a single "modern sense" in which to interpret any given religion's tenets strikes me as a pretty serious misunderstanding of what's actually at stake in the sorts of intrareligious disputes you're alluding to. Very little, religion-wise, is more aggressively modern than boilerplate Nixonian-ratf**ked Global South Evangelicalism or the "bulldoze 'idolatrous' shrines that have been around for a thousand years to throw up parking garages" Saudi style of Islam.

Oh of course. There are additional bad interpretations that are more recent.

[PSOL]

Netanyahu and Likud in general are not on the same scale or shape as the other examples. The best thing to point out is something like the orthodox horror shows of hierarchal abusive dynasties in a Judaism that was never practiced like that before until the 1800s, or Kach Kahane/Otzma Yehudit-style action as a reflection of Zionism.

Interpreting the religions in a more “modern” direction just leads to the same conclusions. The books constituting the Torah and other supplementary texts are undeniable chauvinistic and self-constraining of a besieged people fighting others in the rat race. The Bible as read the same is very moody in its condemnation of the world and want of isolation, with consequences of breaking out of the ingroup. The Quran has major sections be about war and giving glory to Muhammad’s victories, with later examples showing the torture and punishment of Muhammad’s opponents in hell, and extolling incredibly conservative values against hedonistic elitists enjoying libertine treats middle income groups could not afford as much at the time.

Each text is inherently connected to the time period it was written in, given the loads and loads of references and subtext of said time even in prayer, and are shaped by the real world as was going on to the writers and patrons of the text at the time. I don’t know where this nonsense that the “bad modernist “or old “traditionalists” are not from that religion or that they lead to the same “path” comes from.

[Kleine Scheiße]

Brooooooooo

[James Monroe]

They all preach the same gospel, which is to be a selfish dip and not question the authority. Never in the history of the world have the organized religion organizations been right about anything about actual life. If they were truthful why have the pulled out lies against how the universe was created. We know the Earth was not created in 6 days, yet we still have yahoos in the Southern states and in much of the Middle East who believe in that false narrative. Never in the history do the Abraham religions, be Christianity, Islam, Judiasm, done anything to further the human species. If anything, they are purging the species into extinction, with their penchant for reactionary policies, for denying the truth of scientific inquiry, for promoting violence in the world. 90% of the wars in the history of the world would have not happened had organized religion not had their dirty hands in slaughter of the enemies in promoting their fantasy books. Women and LGBT people would have equal rights if religion wasn't such a piece of crock to combat. People would take one another of their fellow man if religion did not come to the forfeit of speaking upon morality, where you have to believe in a invisible man in the sky to be a moral human being.

Religion of all kinds is the enemy of progress, of rationality, of human progress. It is the root cause of all problems in the world. Get rid of all religions, the world becomes a much better place to live.

[Aurelius]

I could make a case for any of three options for each of these religions depending on what angle of interpretation I want to take. Should I give it a go?

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

I could make a case for any of three options for each of these religions depending on what angle of interpretation I want to take. Should I give it a go?

I'd be interested, yes.

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There's also version 4, the Baháʼí religion.