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« Reply #25 on: June 15, 2022, 10:08:12 PM »

So much for "safe, legal, and rare"

Put 200 women in a room, and only 1 of them had an abortion in 2020.  That's pretty rare, I'd say.

It's the "safe" and "legal" part that currently remains the most under threat.

There's also the false promise of "more abortion access = less abortions" but clearly the activists gave up on that too and somehow think more abortions is a good thing.

Well, this is the same country that believes "more guns = less gun violence", so I don't know what else to tell you.

Most supporters of gun rights don't want to have a reason to use their gun on another human, and acknowlege gun violence is evil. Most abortion supporters want it to become easier to kill their own offspring and see it as a moral good.

You aren't "killing offspring" if the fetus hasn't popped out yet into the real world. That's the same argument people make that we are "killing babies" when women have abortions.

If you want to deny the fact that the child in your womb is your offspring, you're more than welcome to do so. But that doesnt change the fact that it is still your offspring, you are still their mother, and it's pretty anti-science (and anti-natalist) to claim otherwise.

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« Reply #26 on: June 15, 2022, 10:15:40 PM »
« Edited: June 15, 2022, 10:19:04 PM by fhtagn »

Here's something interesting. Reasons why women get abortions. Kind of an old study, but I'll bet the same reasons apply today.

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Why women have abortions

In a 2004 survey of 957 women having an abortion, one in four said their most important reason for having the procedure was that they weren't ready for a child or the timing was wrong.

Not ready for a(nother) child/Timing is wrong 25%
Can’t afford a baby now 23%
Have completed my childbearing/Have other people depending on me/Children are grown 19%
Don’t want to be a single mother or am having relationship problems 8%
Don’t feel mature enough to raise a(nother) child/Feel too young 7%
Would interfere with education or career plans 4%
Physical problem with my health 4%
Possible problems affecting the health of the fetus 3%
Other 6%

https://givingcompass.org/article/the-demographic-breakdown-of-women-who-are-getting-abortions

Do you believe those are valid reasons to end the life of a child already born? After all, the physical location of the child matters little if those reasons are legitimate, wouldn't you say?

We are not talking about a child that is already born. That's a whole different ballgame.

You don't have to agree that these reasons are legitimate, but it's reality. And they are legitimate to the women having an abortion.

What difference does it make if the reasons for not wanting a child are truly legitimate?

Financial situations change, health issues arise, relationships fail, careers change, all things that can happen after birth. Those are reality, yet for some arbitrary reason you think a human being's physical location means anything in the situation.

If a mother wanted to end the life of her newborn because she lost her job or her husband left her, how does that make her any worse of a person than someone who did it just a few months prior?  For the woman who killed her newborn, why would her reason be any less legitimate?
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« Reply #27 on: June 15, 2022, 10:38:05 PM »

Here's something interesting. Reasons why women get abortions. Kind of an old study, but I'll bet the same reasons apply today.

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Why women have abortions

In a 2004 survey of 957 women having an abortion, one in four said their most important reason for having the procedure was that they weren't ready for a child or the timing was wrong.

Not ready for a(nother) child/Timing is wrong 25%
Can’t afford a baby now 23%
Have completed my childbearing/Have other people depending on me/Children are grown 19%
Don’t want to be a single mother or am having relationship problems 8%
Don’t feel mature enough to raise a(nother) child/Feel too young 7%
Would interfere with education or career plans 4%
Physical problem with my health 4%
Possible problems affecting the health of the fetus 3%
Other 6%

https://givingcompass.org/article/the-demographic-breakdown-of-women-who-are-getting-abortions

Do you believe those are valid reasons to end the life of a child already born? After all, the physical location of the child matters little if those reasons are legitimate, wouldn't you say?

We are not talking about a child that is already born. That's a whole different ballgame.

You don't have to agree that these reasons are legitimate, but it's reality. And they are legitimate to the women having an abortion.

What difference does it make if the reasons for not wanting a child are truly legitimate?

Financial situations change, health issues arise, relationships fail, careers change, all things that can happen after birth. Those are reality, yet for some arbitrary reason you think a human being's physical location means anything in the situation.

If a mother wanted to end the life of her newborn because she lost her job or her husband left her, how does that make her any worse of a person than someone who did it just a few months prior?  For the woman who killed her newborn, why would her reason be any less legitimate?

If you don't know then there is no talking to you.
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« Reply #28 on: June 15, 2022, 11:06:22 PM »

Why wouldn't they? This country is absolutely crazy. If conservatives want to end abortion, they need to make this country a more pleasant place to raise a family in.

You're acting like "conservatives" (who conserve nothing, they're fanatics and fascists who have just enough residual shame to resist being accurately described) are rational. They're not. (If they were, they wouldn't be "conservatives".  They're for forced pregnancies now, and pre-natal care to be determined later.
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« Reply #29 on: June 15, 2022, 11:19:21 PM »

Based American women.

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« Reply #30 on: June 16, 2022, 12:32:28 AM »

2020 was a tumultuous year. The answer probably has something to do with that.
I would think the answer lies somewhere in here as well.
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« Reply #31 on: June 16, 2022, 06:27:54 AM »

Stats are between 2017-2020.

If it's increased abortion due to less access to contraception (as the report hints) then that's not a positive thing. And needs correction.
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« Reply #32 on: June 16, 2022, 06:34:19 AM »

Here's something interesting. Reasons why women get abortions. Kind of an old study, but I'll bet the same reasons apply today.

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Why women have abortions

In a 2004 survey of 957 women having an abortion, one in four said their most important reason for having the procedure was that they weren't ready for a child or the timing was wrong.

Not ready for a(nother) child/Timing is wrong 25%
Can’t afford a baby now 23%
Have completed my childbearing/Have other people depending on me/Children are grown 19%
Don’t want to be a single mother or am having relationship problems 8%
Don’t feel mature enough to raise a(nother) child/Feel too young 7%
Would interfere with education or career plans 4%
Physical problem with my health 4%
Possible problems affecting the health of the fetus 3%
Other 6%

https://givingcompass.org/article/the-demographic-breakdown-of-women-who-are-getting-abortions

Do you believe those are valid reasons to end the life of a child already born? After all, the physical location of the child matters little if those reasons are legitimate, wouldn't you say?

We are not talking about a child that is already born. That's a whole different ballgame.

You don't have to agree that these reasons are legitimate, but it's reality. And they are legitimate to the women having an abortion.

What difference does it make if the reasons for not wanting a child are truly legitimate?

Financial situations change, health issues arise, relationships fail, careers change, all things that can happen after birth. Those are reality, yet for some arbitrary reason you think a human being's physical location means anything in the situation.

If a mother wanted to end the life of her newborn because she lost her job or her husband left her, how does that make her any worse of a person than someone who did it just a few months prior?  For the woman who killed her newborn, why would her reason be any less legitimate?

If you don't know then there is no talking to you.

The only thing you can do at that point is to protect yourself from people you can’t talk to.
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« Reply #33 on: June 16, 2022, 09:26:48 AM »


How does this prove that Roe v. Wade needs to be overturned Huh

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« Reply #34 on: June 16, 2022, 10:52:32 AM »

Stats are between 2017-2020.

If it's increased abortion due to less access to contraception (as the report hints) then that's not a positive thing. And needs correction.

"Less access to contraception"

Condoms cost a few $ and are available literally everywhere.

I do sympathize with the absurd costs of healthcare in the US, but if a dude is not able to afford a pack of condoms, I don't know what to tell you.
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« Reply #35 on: June 16, 2022, 12:35:18 PM »

Stats are between 2017-2020.

If it's increased abortion due to less access to contraception (as the report hints) then that's not a positive thing. And needs correction.

"Less access to contraception"

Condoms cost a few $ and are available literally everywhere.

I do sympathize with the absurd costs of healthcare in the US, but if a dude is not able to afford a pack of condoms, I don't know what to tell you.

They are less preferable birth control.  At either rate, abortions and contraception access are heavily negatively correlated. Maybe COVID itself caused many abortions as well.
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« Reply #36 on: June 16, 2022, 12:49:45 PM »


There are people who would like to see it overturned, but the majority of people in the country do not want to see this happening.

Do you think it is wise to go against the will of the majority of citizens? How long do you think that will last? Do you actually think that legislating against abortion will stop women from getting abortions?
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« Reply #37 on: June 16, 2022, 01:04:51 PM »

Do you think it is wise to go against the will of the majority of citizens? How long do you think that will last?

This general strategy has been working pretty well for Republicans for a very long time.
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« Reply #38 on: June 16, 2022, 02:00:36 PM »

2 questions the article didn't touch on
1.Plan B, are those counted as abortions?  I'd assume not, but I don't know.  If they are, that might be the reason for the uptick...but then one would assume it would be even bigger if that was the case?  idk
2.assuming Plan B's are not counted, why haven't they put a bigger dent in the abortion numbers?
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« Reply #39 on: June 16, 2022, 03:35:55 PM »

A lot of non-Atlas blue states have moved left on abortion since 2018, creating new public or public-private partnerships to increase abortion access/education (especially for Black/Brown women.)

It's unsurprising that a culture that increasingly celebrates abortion would have more of it. 
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« Reply #40 on: June 16, 2022, 08:58:05 PM »

The Guttmacher Report mentions decreased access to contraception as a possible reason, but they also say this which cuts against that explanation:

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The increase in abortion was accompanied by a 6% decline in births between 2017 and 2020. Because there were many more births (3.6 million) than abortions (930,000) in 2020, these patterns mean that fewer people were getting pregnant and, among those who did, a larger proportion chose to have an abortion.
https://www.guttmacher.org/article/2022/06/long-term-decline-us-abortions-reverses-showing-rising-need-abortion-supreme-court

The basic story here seems to be that more women overall don't want to or don't feel ready to have children.  Pro-abortion state policies and the intersectional push to reduce stigma of abortion also likely play a key roles.
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« Reply #41 on: June 16, 2022, 11:26:48 PM »

A lot of non-Atlas blue states have moved left on abortion since 2018, creating new public or public-private partnerships to increase abortion access/education (especially for Black/Brown women.)

It's unsurprising that a culture that increasingly celebrates abortion would have more of it. 

Nobody celebrates abortion. The need for it is a fact of modern life.
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« Reply #42 on: June 16, 2022, 11:28:10 PM »

Ironically, or maybe not ironically, the US has a higher abortion rate than many European Countries ( where abortion is  fully legalized ). Hmm, I wonder why.
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« Reply #43 on: June 17, 2022, 11:40:42 AM »

A lot of non-Atlas blue states have moved left on abortion since 2018, creating new public or public-private partnerships to increase abortion access/education (especially for Black/Brown women.)

It's unsurprising that a culture that increasingly celebrates abortion would have more of it. 

Nobody celebrates abortion. The need for it is a fact of modern life.

You're kidding yourself if you think the culture doesn't celebrate abortion.  The days of "safe, legal and rare" are long gone.

There are holidays that celebrate abortion, Andrew Cuomo lit up the World Trade Center in pink to celebrate New York state legalizing late-term abortions, and celebrities on award stages are applauded when crediting their success to a decision to terminate a human life.

And Democrats are complicit in this new, celebratory culture around abortion.  Arguments like "abortion is healthcare" or that abortion "empowers" women are advanced in service to the goal of normalizing and destigmatizing mass abortion. 

Abortion can be legally protected while still acknowledging it as a personal and moral failure.  But is that even what you (and the Democrats more broadly) believe these days?
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« Reply #44 on: June 17, 2022, 12:01:25 PM »

A lot of non-Atlas blue states have moved left on abortion since 2018, creating new public or public-private partnerships to increase abortion access/education (especially for Black/Brown women.)

It's unsurprising that a culture that increasingly celebrates abortion would have more of it. 

Nobody celebrates abortion. The need for it is a fact of modern life.

You're kidding yourself if you think the culture doesn't celebrate abortion.  The days of "safe, legal and rare" are long gone.

There are holidays that celebrate abortion, Andrew Cuomo lit up the World Trade Center in pink to celebrate New York state legalizing late-term abortions, and celebrities on award stages are applauded when crediting their success to a decision to terminate a human life.

And Democrats are complicit in this new, celebratory culture around abortion.  Arguments like "abortion is healthcare" or that abortion "empowers" women are advanced in service to the goal of normalizing and destigmatizing mass abortion. 

Abortion can be legally protected while still acknowledging it as a personal and moral failure.  But is that even what you (and the Democrats more broadly) believe these days?

I offer that it's not a celebration of abortion, but rather a celebration of the freedom of choice. Freedom from oppression by perhaps people like you who want to throw your own personal morality and fear of God into the ring as the standard for all.
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« Reply #45 on: June 17, 2022, 12:24:29 PM »

A lot of non-Atlas blue states have moved left on abortion since 2018, creating new public or public-private partnerships to increase abortion access/education (especially for Black/Brown women.)

It's unsurprising that a culture that increasingly celebrates abortion would have more of it. 

Nobody celebrates abortion. The need for it is a fact of modern life.

You're kidding yourself if you think the culture doesn't celebrate abortion.  The days of "safe, legal and rare" are long gone.

There are holidays that celebrate abortion, Andrew Cuomo lit up the World Trade Center in pink to celebrate New York state legalizing late-term abortions, and celebrities on award stages are applauded when crediting their success to a decision to terminate a human life.

And Democrats are complicit in this new, celebratory culture around abortion.  Arguments like "abortion is healthcare" or that abortion "empowers" women are advanced in service to the goal of normalizing and destigmatizing mass abortion. 

Abortion can be legally protected while still acknowledging it as a personal and moral failure.  But is that even what you (and the Democrats more broadly) believe these days?

I offer that it's not a celebration of abortion, but rather a celebration of the freedom of choice. Freedom from oppression by perhaps people like you who want to throw your own personal morality and fear of God into the ring as the standard for all.

Using terms like "freedom of choice" is exactly the type of celebratory jargon that whitewashes what abortion really is - the termination of human life.

Your post tells how perfectly happy you are to celebrate and #ShoutYourAbortion as long as it's to "own" those tirelessly defending the sanctity of life.  You're equating abortion rights to the war to defeat the Nazis or something.  Grow up.   

No one should be happy to talk about abortion, much less happy to have one.  Abortion is a shameful and hurtful reality, but the pro-choice movement has had the normalization and promotion of abortion as their goal for several years now.     
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« Reply #46 on: June 17, 2022, 02:48:10 PM »

 The United States is one of the few nations to vote that food is not a basic human right when The United Nations tried to pass a resolution saying so. And before anybody tries to technically excuse this away, remember how dumb and heartless Conservatives get about public school lunches for growing school children.

 Conservatives don't give a damn about the sanctity of life. They've drawn an indefensible moral line in the sand and will lie, misinform, be hypocritical, excuse the indefensible and when all else fails turn to violence to support a position that the general public does not agree with them on.
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« Reply #47 on: June 17, 2022, 03:26:29 PM »

A lot of non-Atlas blue states have moved left on abortion since 2018, creating new public or public-private partnerships to increase abortion access/education (especially for Black/Brown women.)

It's unsurprising that a culture that increasingly celebrates abortion would have more of it. 

Nobody celebrates abortion. The need for it is a fact of modern life.

You're kidding yourself if you think the culture doesn't celebrate abortion.  The days of "safe, legal and rare" are long gone.

There are holidays that celebrate abortion, Andrew Cuomo lit up the World Trade Center in pink to celebrate New York state legalizing late-term abortions, and celebrities on award stages are applauded when crediting their success to a decision to terminate a human life.

And Democrats are complicit in this new, celebratory culture around abortion.  Arguments like "abortion is healthcare" or that abortion "empowers" women are advanced in service to the goal of normalizing and destigmatizing mass abortion. 

Abortion can be legally protected while still acknowledging it as a personal and moral failure.  But is that even what you (and the Democrats more broadly) believe these days?

I offer that it's not a celebration of abortion, but rather a celebration of the freedom of choice. Freedom from oppression by perhaps people like you who want to throw your own personal morality and fear of God into the ring as the standard for all.

Using terms like "freedom of choice" is exactly the type of celebratory jargon that whitewashes what abortion really is - the termination of human life.

Your post tells how perfectly happy you are to celebrate and #ShoutYourAbortion as long as it's to "own" those tirelessly defending the sanctity of life.  You're equating abortion rights to the war to defeat the Nazis or something.  Grow up.   

No one should be happy to talk about abortion, much less happy to have one.  Abortion is a shameful and hurtful reality, but the pro-choice movement has had the normalization and promotion of abortion as their goal for several years now.     

You are operating inside a realm of wanting to control women, wanting to speak for your God, and wanting the entire country to fit in with your definition of what is right and moral. You may not agree with what I'm saying here, but your words tell a different tale.

You say I celebrate abortion but again, I tell you that nobody celebrates abortion. Especially me. I am all for freedom. I am for women having the right to dictate what happens to their own body, without moralists like you trying to crawl into their vaginas to vicariously see what's going on in there.

Why don't you put your nose in your own business and take care of your own health and the health of your family. That's your right. Period.

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« Reply #48 on: June 17, 2022, 04:23:38 PM »

The United States is one of the few nations to vote that food is not a basic human right when The United Nations tried to pass a resolution saying so. And before anybody tries to technically excuse this away, remember how dumb and heartless Conservatives get about public school lunches for growing school children.

 Conservatives don't give a damn about the sanctity of life. They've drawn an indefensible moral line in the sand and will lie, misinform, be hypocritical, excuse the indefensible and when all else fails turn to violence to support a position that the general public does not agree with them on.

"Republicans should have the same position on food security as North Korea" is a great argument that has a lot to do with abortion.
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« Reply #49 on: June 17, 2022, 06:07:01 PM »

They develop vaccines off of embroyos and fetus and they do nothing with partial birth Abortion, alot of 30 females are donating their embroidery to pay off student loans it's worth up to 50 K

Men can donate plasma up to 1K but to donate blood you can't have an A1C over 7
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