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Question: How would you vote/Union/Confederacy?
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Union: Clinton/Obama(D)
 
#2
Union: Guliani/Rice(R)
 
#3
Confederacy: Warner/Edwards(D)
 
#4
Confederacy: Allen/Lott(R)
 
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« on: December 17, 2006, 07:40:54 pm »

hypothetical poll, based on if South won the Civil War.
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« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2006, 07:43:54 pm »

Republican in the North, Democrat in the South
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« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2006, 11:12:57 am »

Democrat in both (obviously)
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« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2006, 07:30:01 pm »

I didn't know that Alabama (Rice's home state) was on the Union side during Lincoln's Invasion.
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« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2006, 06:22:18 pm »

I could never vote for Condoleeza Rice, otherwise I might consider Giuliani over Clinton. Warner was an easy choice.
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« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2006, 09:32:14 pm »

Union: Giuliani/Rice (R)

Confederacy: I wouldn't recognize the traitor government with a vote.
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« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2006, 12:59:53 pm »

Republican in the North, Democrat in the South
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« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2006, 04:29:17 pm »

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« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2006, 05:27:46 pm »


Damn, what a showing by Allen
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« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2006, 05:46:06 pm »

(Let's say after slavery was completely abolished c. 1900 in the CSA, the Rice family moves to Cincinatti, Ohio and stays their through the time Condoleeza was born and grew up.)

Confederate States of America

After the civil war, the Democrats continued to dominate, and the south functioned as a one-party state.  Political competition was fueled on the local level primarily and on the basis of personal fueds.  The one widespread division was between class, as small farmers gradually began to demand reform.  By the 1890s this populist movement had managed to grasp a foothold in core of the democratic party, and by the early 20th century it had nearly gained complete control.

However, tensions within this group over two issues, african-american rights and relations with the U.S.  This divide allowed the old elite to maintain a reasonable amount of influence in the party.

The 1910s were the era of the dual reign of Theodore Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson, who each managed to convince their nation to enter World War I and fought and won together  This ushered in a golden era for both nations, with good feelings between the two at an all time high.

However, by the end of Wilson's presidency his fragile coalition fell apart from progressive-fatigue in the south.  A "return to normalcy" campaign led the conservative wing of the party to regain control.

The more progressive factions, however, would not give up and therefore tried a completely radical idea -black suffrage.  In the general election blacks had the right to vote but they were barred from voting in the primaries.  This changed through a movement in the late 20s where through backroom deals with party leaders they changed state party bilaws to allow black voting in Democratic primaries.

A significant backlash developed.  During this period, in fact, a group of the electorate, composed of rich planters and ideological reactionaries, formed a new "Conservative Party."

All of this was quickly overshadowed by the comming of the great depression, and the landslide victory of Lousiana Governor Huey Long in 1932.  He won with every single state and 88% of the vote against a minor Conservative Party candidate.  Winning similiarly through his last run in 1948, he formed a near dicatorship.  During this 20 year reign the Conservative Party remained a very small minority, but comfortably so.  Although Long's economic policy was outright socialist, there was simply no feasible way to oppose him on that wheras on racial issues Long mainated the status quo and on foreign policy was somewhat reserved; very relunctant to join World War II.

Arkansas Governor Sid McMath, ran and won in 1952, but during his two terms the Conservative Party grew greatly in strength, and the Democratic margin in congress shrunck from 9-1 to little greater than 2-1.  The conservative party began growing as a paleoconservative opposition to the Democratic Party progresivism and openness.

Democratic fatigue was at a high by the late 60s.  Arizona Govenor Barry Goldwater lost to President Lyndon Johnson in 1964.  However, in 1968 he stunningly came back to become the first Conservative Party President.  This paradigm of ideology continued to current day.

In 2008 the Democrats ran a Mark Warner/ John Edwards ticket.  They hoped to mix "new south" progressivism with old style populism.  The Conservatives ran a ticket of George Allen and Trent Lott, who essentially ran on the status quo on most issues.  The campaign was rather quiet until early October, when Warner in a debate expressed support for an idea that had begin growing in support throughout the past decade -reuniting with the United States.  This quickly heated up the campaign.  Allen had been significantly behind previously but he thought that this new issue could polarize the electorate enough to give him a victory.  Here was the result:


(note WV and VA are one state)

EC:
Warner/Edwards 107
Allen/Lott 81

PV:
Warner/Edwards 54%
Allen/Lott 46%

The upper-south and southwest predictably goes to Warner, and the Allen manages to prevent an electoral rout by polarizing the deep south towards his side.
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« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2007, 11:36:58 am »

Democrats for me in both!

Especially Warner/Edwards, 2 of my favorite Dems from the south
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« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2007, 06:44:34 pm »

I just realized that there is one major problem with this thread.  The Confederacy won't hold a Presidential election in 2008.  The last election was in 2005 and the next is in 2011.
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« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2007, 05:38:57 pm »

Republicans in N. and Democrats in S.
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« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2007, 08:45:50 am »

Assuming we gain all the states we have now with new states going to the Union, yet some border states secede:

Since the Civil Rights Act does not apply to the South, there is no reason for it to stop being Democrat.  But, while this is incredibly hard to predict, the South splinters into two parties.  These parties were founded after a long Democratic dominance when the blacks in the South started to protest.  People feeling the enforcement of Jim Crow laws and such was most important founded the Segregationist Party, those who felt preserving economic populism was most important found the Populist Party.  In 2004, Populist candidate Mark Warner won a narrow victory over Segregationist David Duke.  In 2008, the Segregationists nominated Fmr. Sen George Allen, more of a moderate, and choose Mississippi Governor Trent Lott as his running mate.  The election played out like this:

Allen/Lott 113
Warner/Edwards 87



Segregationist Party reclaimed the Executive Mansion for the first time since the 1976 election when Strom Thurmond was president.
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« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2007, 04:03:58 pm »

Union: Giuliani
Confederacy: Warner
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« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2007, 04:27:30 pm »

I didn't know that Alabama (Rice's home state) was on the Union side during Lincoln's Invasion.

Perhaps she lives in the Free State of Winston. Wink
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« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2007, 11:29:56 pm »

I didn't know that Alabama (Rice's home state) was on the Union side during Lincoln's Invasion.

Perhaps she lives in the Free State of Winston. Wink

Winston County Rocks!
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« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2007, 08:50:12 pm »

Ummm... #1 How did Rice get out of Alabama?

#2 Why in the Hell would the South keep the same political parties?
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« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2007, 08:53:38 pm »

Union: Giuliani/Rice (R)

Confederacy: I wouldn't recognize the traitor government with a vote.

Hey look Don... its you

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