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« on: June 14, 2022, 09:20:54 PM »

If you are a male and prefer cis women; or a female and prefer cis men in terms of dating, are you a bigot?
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« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2022, 09:48:57 PM »
« Edited: July 28, 2022, 02:26:06 PM by John Dule(he/him, sitting at a desk wearing a yellow avatar) »

Anybody here watching Season 3 of The Boys? I have to say, as much as I hate superhero crap, this show is an excellent antidote to Marvel/DC movies. It functions on multiple levels, ranging from a surface-level "what if" thought experiment to a deep exploration of how people react to rigid hierarchies. Highly recommend.
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« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2022, 09:55:04 PM »

Anybody here watching Season 3 of The Boys? I have to say, as much as I hate superhero crap, this show is an excellent antidote to Marvel/DC movies. It functions on multiple levels, ranging from a surface-level "what if" though experiment to a deep exploration of how people react to rigid hierarchies. Highly recommend.


I still can’t get over the fact that you didn’t like the Dark Knight Trilogy
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« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2022, 09:57:30 PM »

Anybody here watching Season 3 of The Boys? I have to say, as much as I hate superhero crap, this show is an excellent antidote to Marvel/DC movies. It functions on multiple levels, ranging from a surface-level "what if" though experiment to a deep exploration of how people react to rigid hierarchies. Highly recommend.


I still can’t get over the fact that you didn’t like the Dark Knight Trilogy

I like the parts where the billionaire brutalized mentally ill people, criminals, and communists. The rest was mediocre at best.
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« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2022, 10:28:06 PM »

Most transitioning individuals do not have the money to transition to my liking, like get surgery everywhere but the genitals, and those that do are a bit weird to me. ftm penis’s that I have seen are less appealing than not doing that surgery and I am not used to a hole where the penis should be.

I’m basing this off porn I have momentarily seen that was shared to me and the ftm’s I’ve seen, but it would take time getting used to. Generally with time I could probably get used to it, but that takes work. I think with more exposure and normalization things would get rolling with most people in society though. Compared to the females the surgeries are less expensive and requires less work to perfect.

Honestly a lot of the issues facing transgender individuals would get solved with normalization and better access to healthcare regardless of class. That and conditioning not to be a perfectionist about transitioning no matter what form they want it in.
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« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2022, 10:36:52 PM »

Most transitioning individuals do not have the money to transition to my liking, like get surgery everywhere but the genitals, and those that do are a bit weird to me. ftm penis’s that I have seen are less appealing than not doing that surgery and I am not used to a hole where the penis should be.

I’m basing this off porn I have momentarily seen that was shared to me and the ftm’s I’ve seen, but it would take time getting used to. Generally with time I could probably get used to it, but that takes work. I think with more exposure and normalization things would get rolling with most people in society though. Compared to the females the surgeries are less expensive and requires less work to perfect.

Honestly a lot of the issues facing transgender individuals would get solved with normalization and better access to healthcare regardless of class. That and conditioning not to be a perfectionist about transitioning no matter what form they want it in.

Are people not allowed to prefer biologically men or women?
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« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2022, 02:46:34 AM »

Anybody here watching Season 3 of The Boys? I have to say, as much as I hate superhero crap, this show is an excellent antidote to Marvel/DC movies. It functions on multiple levels, ranging from a surface-level "what if" though experiment to a deep exploration of how people react to rigid hierarchies. Highly recommend.


I still can’t get over the fact that you didn’t like the Dark Knight Trilogy

I like the parts where the billionaire brutalized mentally ill people, criminals, and communists. The rest was mediocre at best.

Lol at The Dark Knight being mediocre
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« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2022, 01:14:52 PM »

Anybody here watching Season 3 of The Boys? I have to say, as much as I hate superhero crap, this show is an excellent antidote to Marvel/DC movies. It functions on multiple levels, ranging from a surface-level "what if" though experiment to a deep exploration of how people react to rigid hierarchies. Highly recommend.


I still can’t get over the fact that you didn’t like the Dark Knight Trilogy

I like the parts where the billionaire brutalized mentally ill people, criminals, and communists. The rest was mediocre at best.

Lol at The Dark Knight being mediocre
Yeah, it doesn't deserve that high praise. Unwatchable garbage from start to finish
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« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2022, 02:00:40 PM »

Anybody here watching Season 3 of The Boys? I have to say, as much as I hate superhero crap, this show is an excellent antidote to Marvel/DC movies. It functions on multiple levels, ranging from a surface-level "what if" though experiment to a deep exploration of how people react to rigid hierarchies. Highly recommend.


I still can’t get over the fact that you didn’t like the Dark Knight Trilogy

I like the parts where the billionaire brutalized mentally ill people, criminals, and communists. The rest was mediocre at best.

Lol at The Dark Knight being mediocre
Yeah, it doesn't deserve that high praise. Unwatchable garbage from start to finish

It’s still better than most superhero movies IMO but that’s not exactly high praise. Plus I don’t think it’s aged well at all. Still prefer the 1989 Batman, which I did even back in 2008 when everyone was raving about it. Hell I even thought Iron Man was better at the time, which is ironic considering how much I would come to dislike the MCU.
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« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2022, 02:11:52 PM »

Anybody here watching Season 3 of The Boys? I have to say, as much as I hate superhero crap, this show is an excellent antidote to Marvel/DC movies. It functions on multiple levels, ranging from a surface-level "what if" though experiment to a deep exploration of how people react to rigid hierarchies. Highly recommend.


I still can’t get over the fact that you didn’t like the Dark Knight Trilogy

I like the parts where the billionaire brutalized mentally ill people, criminals, and communists. The rest was mediocre at best.

Lol at The Dark Knight being mediocre

The Joker was the only memorable performance/character, to the point that he completely overshadowed the rest of the cast. Nothing else in the series stands out to me, and of course it goes without saying that it's full of plot holes and bloviating pretentiousness (like all Nolan movies).
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« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2022, 02:17:29 PM »

Anybody here watching Season 3 of The Boys? I have to say, as much as I hate superhero crap, this show is an excellent antidote to Marvel/DC movies. It functions on multiple levels, ranging from a surface-level "what if" though experiment to a deep exploration of how people react to rigid hierarchies. Highly recommend.


I still can’t get over the fact that you didn’t like the Dark Knight Trilogy

I like the parts where the billionaire brutalized mentally ill people, criminals, and communists. The rest was mediocre at best.

Lol at The Dark Knight being mediocre

The Joker was the only memorable performance/character, to the point that he completely overshadowed the rest of the cast. Nothing else in the series stands out to me, and of course it goes without saying that it's full of plot holes and bloviating pretentiousness (like all Nolan movies).
Aaron Eckhart had a great performance that was overshadowed by Ledger.
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« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2022, 02:17:42 PM »

No, that argument is silly. Then it would also make you a bigot (in a different way) to prefer certain hair, eye or skin colors, or have a maximum/minimum height or age. Or weight, you can go on with this list forever. Come on. That's just personal preferences and taste.

It would make you a bigot not be normal friends with a transperson just because he/she is trans or treat this person with disrespect for that very reason.
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« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2022, 03:26:55 PM »

Anybody here watching Season 3 of The Boys? I have to say, as much as I hate superhero crap, this show is an excellent antidote to Marvel/DC movies. It functions on multiple levels, ranging from a surface-level "what if" though experiment to a deep exploration of how people react to rigid hierarchies. Highly recommend.


I still can’t get over the fact that you didn’t like the Dark Knight Trilogy

I like the parts where the billionaire brutalized mentally ill people, criminals, and communists. The rest was mediocre at best.

Lol at The Dark Knight being mediocre
Yeah, it doesn't deserve that high praise. Unwatchable garbage from start to finish

It’s still better than most superhero movies IMO but that’s not exactly high praise. Plus I don’t think it’s aged well at all. Still prefer the 1989 Batman, which I did even back in 2008 when everyone was raving about it. Hell I even thought Iron Man was better at the time, which is ironic considering how much I would come to dislike the MCU.
That's because the first Iron Man is a perfect example of a great comic book standalone film.
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« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2022, 03:39:41 PM »

Anybody here watching Season 3 of The Boys? I have to say, as much as I hate superhero crap, this show is an excellent antidote to Marvel/DC movies. It functions on multiple levels, ranging from a surface-level "what if" though experiment to a deep exploration of how people react to rigid hierarchies. Highly recommend.


I still can’t get over the fact that you didn’t like the Dark Knight Trilogy

I like the parts where the billionaire brutalized mentally ill people, criminals, and communists. The rest was mediocre at best.

Lol at The Dark Knight being mediocre

The Joker was the only memorable performance/character, to the point that he completely overshadowed the rest of the cast. Nothing else in the series stands out to me, and of course it goes without saying that it's full of plot holes and bloviating pretentiousness (like all Nolan movies).
Aaron Eckhart had a great performance that was overshadowed by Ledger.

Lol, Eckhart's character was ridiculous in that movie and his "descent into madness" was absurdly rushed. He got some bad burns and his girlfriend died, and apparently this was sufficient to drive him so insane that he not only didn't care about avenging her by killing the Joker, but he also chose to instead take his anger out on Gordon and Batman. Just a dumb character evolution, and one that leaves the audience wondering whether Dent was such a stand-up guy to begin with.
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« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2022, 03:45:29 PM »

Depends on how that preference manifests itself. Simply telling a trans lady "Yeah, I don't do dick, sorry" is perfectly acceptable, but telling her "get away from me, tranny!" and basically ranting and raving about how much you don't want to  trans people is not (but it should still be respected nonetheless).
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« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2022, 03:48:16 PM »

Anybody here watching Season 3 of The Boys? I have to say, as much as I hate superhero crap, this show is an excellent antidote to Marvel/DC movies. It functions on multiple levels, ranging from a surface-level "what if" though experiment to a deep exploration of how people react to rigid hierarchies. Highly recommend.


I still can’t get over the fact that you didn’t like the Dark Knight Trilogy

I like the parts where the billionaire brutalized mentally ill people, criminals, and communists. The rest was mediocre at best.

Lol at The Dark Knight being mediocre

TDK is definitely overrated AF, IMO
It's very far from being the best Batman movie
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« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2022, 03:50:31 PM »

It does not.
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« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2022, 04:17:17 PM »

Yes it makes one transphobic but nothing is wrong with that.
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« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2022, 04:49:14 PM »

I feel like we're getting kind of off-topic here, so let's take a look at this oft-referenced scene from The Dark Knight:




This is an extremely stupidly written scene, but this did not stop legions of Nolanites from fawning over it like it was Olivier doing Shakespeare. Let me break it down: Coleman Reese enters the room and tells Morgan Freeman only that he suspects Wayne Enterprises is building tech for Batman. Freeman then, for some reason, jumps to the conclusion that Reese thinks Bruce Wayne is Batman and then ridicules him for his silliness.

If this scene had occurred in real life, Reese would have said "Uh, I never implied Bruce Wayne was Batman. Why did you assume I meant that?" This would then be followed by an awkward silence, and then Reese would say "Actually, I want $20 million every year for the rest of my life."

Dumb writing and scene construction from a director who is not nearly as smart as he thinks he is.
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« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2022, 05:10:21 PM »
« Edited: June 15, 2022, 05:13:33 PM by The Year Summer Ended in June »

I feel like we're getting kind of off-topic here, so let's take a look at this oft-referenced scene from The Dark Knight:



This is an extremely stupidly written scene, but this did not stop legions of Nolanites from fawning over it like it was Olivier doing Shakespeare. Let me break it down: Coleman Reese enters the room and tells Morgan Freeman only that he suspects Wayne Enterprises is building tech for Batman. Freeman then, for some reason, jumps to the conclusion that Reese thinks Bruce Wayne is Batman and then ridicules him for his silliness.

If this scene had occurred in real life, Reese would have said "Uh, I never implied Bruce Wayne was Batman. Why did you assume I meant that?" This would then be followed by an awkward silence, and then Reese would say "Actually, I want $20 million every year for the rest of my life."

Dumb writing and scene construction from a director who is not nearly as smart as he thinks he is.
Morgan Freeman's character knows that Bruce Wayne is Batman though so it's not an unreasonable conclusion jump to, at least not unreasonable that the character would do that. It's like that sitcom trope where a character hears something and assumes it refers to something they did or were trying to keep a secret when it was actually a reference to something else. A character not being 100% logical isn't a plot hole.

The real plot holes in the trilogy are in the third movie with the whole bankruptcy subplot which is basically impossible for someone with Bruce Wayne's wealth even if stock transactions during an armed attack on the stock exchange would be allowed to stand, the way that Bane is apparently able to travel back and forth between Gotham and thus remote part of some Middle Eastern country via Star Trek warping and how Bruce Wayne got back to Gotham. (The last one wouldn't be too hard to explain, they could've just have shown a quick scene with Bruce Wayne revealing he has a safe deposit box in some bank in this country or something like that, contrived yes, but forgivable.)
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« Reply #20 on: June 15, 2022, 05:12:41 PM »

Morgan Freeman's character knows that Bruce Wayne is Batman though so it's not an unreasonable conclusion jump to, at least not unreasonable that the character would do that. It's like that sitcom trope where a character hears something and assumes it refers to something they did or were trying to keep a secret when it was actually a reference to something else. A character not being 100% logical isn't a plot hole.

Yeah, duh. It's Reese's reaction that makes it unrealistic. Why would he act so stumped by Freeman's retort?
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« Reply #21 on: June 15, 2022, 05:21:07 PM »

Speaking of dumb plot holes that no one brings up albeit in a much less well received trilogy, it really doesn't make any sense and is extremely contrived and convenient that Rey can understand the Wookiee language in the Disney Star Wars trilogy.

Now I know this is explained by that she found some master language program in a droid or something and taught herself it from that...but that doesn't really make sense because the Wookiee language is quite obscure in universe and almost unheard of outside of their planet. It'd be like some orphan in some dirt poor backwater in Asia or Africa discovering a language learning program and instead of teaching themselves something like English, French or Spanish instead deciding to learn some Native American or really obscure European language that no one speaks monolingually anymore like Sami or Basque. And then by pure coincidence they meet someone who can also speak this obscure language and convenient, they can communicate! But the writing in that was so dumb overall it didn't stand out.
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« Reply #22 on: June 15, 2022, 05:23:52 PM »

Morgan Freeman's character knows that Bruce Wayne is Batman though so it's not an unreasonable conclusion jump to, at least not unreasonable that the character would do that. It's like that sitcom trope where a character hears something and assumes it refers to something they did or were trying to keep a secret when it was actually a reference to something else. A character not being 100% logical isn't a plot hole.

Yeah, duh. It's Reese's reaction that makes it unrealistic. Why would he act so stumped by Freeman's retort?
A comment explains this:

"So if he's wrong, Bruce could sue him for millions.
If he's right, Batman will kick his ass.

It's a no-win situation."

More implausible is how Reese is apparently the only person who noticed this.
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« Reply #23 on: June 15, 2022, 06:00:11 PM »

Anybody here watching Season 3 of The Boys? I have to say, as much as I hate superhero crap, this show is an excellent antidote to Marvel/DC movies. It functions on multiple levels, ranging from a surface-level "what if" though experiment to a deep exploration of how people react to rigid hierarchies. Highly recommend.


I still can’t get over the fact that you didn’t like the Dark Knight Trilogy

I like the parts where the billionaire brutalized mentally ill people, criminals, and communists. The rest was mediocre at best.

Lol at The Dark Knight being mediocre

The Joker was the only memorable performance/character, to the point that he completely overshadowed the rest of the cast. Nothing else in the series stands out to me, and of course it goes without saying that it's full of plot holes and bloviating pretentiousness (like all Nolan movies).

Heath Ledger did society a great disservice by having such a memorable performance.
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« Reply #24 on: June 15, 2022, 09:14:36 PM »

Yeah, it doesn't deserve that high praise. Unwatchable garbage from start to finish

THE DARK KNIGHT is a masterpiece. I am going to tell you why I love it, even after 10+ years.

For one, for the first 5+ minutes of this 120+ minute movie, there is no Batman. Instead, it focuses on the Joker to help people understand what is going on in Gotham.

THE DARK KNIGHT uses Hanz Zimmer. Remember The Lion King? No? Well, Hanz Zimmer won an Oscar for his work on the movie. His talent has been apparent for some time.

BATMAN and THE JOKER only have a few scenes together. It is amazing at how a movie can still feel cohesive, even when the main characters have limited time together.

The tense sequences are so memorizable. Scenes like Harvey's fundraiser, the funeral, the ferry scenes, and the truck flip (duh), and so many others are so recognizable that anyone who has seen the movie can easily recognize them.

The movie showed the future of superhero movies. As we already know, as of right now, people love superhero movies in unimaginable ways. Soon, they will be all we have left if we do not take care of cinema.

The ending is so heart-touching. BATMAN taking the fall for Dent made us cry with tears, as he could not worry about anything but ensuring Gotham had a white knight. In the dramatic ending, COMMISSIONER GORDAN explains to his son the value of BATMAN's sacrifice. I still choke up at that scene today.

The good guy, Harvey, turns bad. I know, Harvey is pretty bad. But his shift from fighting against crime, to embracing crime, makes for a dramatic sequence that everyone loves.

As you can see, THE DARK KNIGHT is burned into my heart. In fact, I saw the movie when it came out in theaters, in July of 2008. In fact, two years later, another masterpiece from Chrstoper Nolan came out, which was called Inception. However, no Nolan movie will ever be as good as THE DARK KNIGHT. If we're talking about Heat, that's a different story. With THE DARK KNIGHT being on my shelf, I am revisiting last decade.

Again, THE DARK KNIGHT will always be one of my favorite Nolan movies. The reasons above don't lie, either.

Hope I blessed you with this. Any THE DARK KNIGHT fan will surely agree with these reasons.
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