Tancredo/Guiliani vs. Clinton/Obama

[DownWithTheLeft]

Call me crazy but....

Tancredo/Guiliani 271
Clinton/Obama 267

[True Democrat]

One of the few Republicans Clinton could beat. . .

[DownWithTheLeft]

I disagree w/a moderate running mate and the support of the party he could certainly pull it off

[auburntiger]

Two words: name recognition

[Gabu]

Two words: name recognition

Two words: Tom Tancredo

...loses.

[NewFederalist]

Two words: name recognition

Two words: Tom Tancredo

...loses.

C'mon, Gabu. That's THREE words! (...loses puts you over!)

[Gabu]

Two words: name recognition

Two words: Tom Tancredo

...loses.

C'mon, Gabu. That's THREE words! (...loses puts you over!)

Tom Tancredo loses, and the reason he loses is because of "Tom Tancredo".

[Joe Republic]

Call me crazy but....

I have.  Repeatedly.

[Boris]

So if people would vote for Tancredo because he had a popular running mate, why didn't people vote for Mike Dukakis becauese George H.W. Bush had an unpopular running mate?

Seriously, you're a complete joke. Tancredo would be lucky to hit 45% of the popular vote. He's a complete nutjob. If the Democrats couldn't beat Tancredo, then they couldn't beat anybody.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

All Clinton and Obama would have to do is constantly show the Tancredo's quote where he advocated nuking Mecca.

I would seriously doubt the sanity of any state that he would win in either a primary or general election; even over Clinton (who is pretty conservative when it comes down it).

[Joe Biden 2020]

We would have the first woman President in America's History -- President Hillary Rodham Clinton.

[Colin]

Hillary Clinton: 359 EVs
Tom Tancredo: 179 EVs

That's being kind to Tancredo. Against a better candidate then Clinton he would be lucky to get 45%. Against a candidate like Bayh, Richardson or Vilsack he's destroyed. If he's running against Bayh or Obama, IMHO, he would probably get about 40% of the vote and nothing above 42% would be in reach unless Bayh or the others I have mentioned are found killing toddlers or having gay sex with a Satanist while snorting crack cocaine.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

That's actually been absurdly kind to Tancredo
He'd do about as well as Kucinich would have done...

Btw, why would Guiliani want to tie himself to the obvious political trainwreck that would be Tancredo For President?

[DownWithTheLeft]

Call me crazy but....

I have.  Repeatedly.

I knew someone would post that

[Colin]

That's actually been absurdly kind to Tancredo
He'd do about as well as Kucinich would have done...

Well Tancredo is helped by the fact that I can't see much of the South going for Hillary no matter how insane the Republican is. North Carolina and Tennessee would be up for grabs though, Louisiana and Arkansas as well.

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No idea which is probably why it wont happen in real life. Oh here's Bayh/Obama vs. Tancredo/Giuliani:

442-96

That election would be the biggest blowout for a Republican since Goldwater.

[DownWithTheLeft]

I highly doubt that once he more name recognition he would be blown out and considering a 3rd party liberal might arise with Hillary or Bayh, I think Tancredo would have a legitimate shot.

[Colin]

I highly doubt that once he more name recognition he would be blown out and considering a 3rd party liberal might arise with Hillary or Bayh, I think Tancredo would have a legitimate shot.

No way. Even if you had a Nader-esque candidate take 5-7% away from Bayh that would bring him down to maybe 50-52% to Tancredo's 40-42% which would still mean he wins in a landslide of vast proportions. Face it Tancredo would have as much chance of getting to the White House as Gabu does, which is to say 0.

[Verily]

Tancredo gets pounded about as badly as it's possible for a Republican to be pounded, 475-63. Yes, even against Clinton. It plays like a rerun of 1964. The immigration issue allows him to eke out a victory in Texas, but outside of the Deep South and Utah he loses everything.

[© tweed]

360-178

[Stranger in a strange land]

Tancredo would be pounded into a landslide defeat, even against Hillary. Fear of a Tancredo presidency would prevent a major leftist 3rd party bid; even if there was one, Tancredo is such a nutcase that Hillary would probably win anyway. Some moderate republicans might even endorse her.  Hillary might even win states like NC, TN, and the Dakotas.

[Gabu]

Face it Tancredo would have as much chance of getting to the White House as Gabu does, which is to say 0.

And I at least can hope for that 28th amendment.

[Jake]

I highly doubt that once he more name recognition he would be blown out and considering a 3rd party liberal might arise with Hillary or Bayh, I think Tancredo would have a legitimate shot.

Name recognition would actually work against Tancredo. You may not realize it, but it's bad to have Americans connect your name and "nuke Mecca".

And revise your last sentence. It should say you wish Tancredo would have a legitimate shot. And you're probably alone in that opinion.

[Stranger in a strange land]

Also I very seriously doubt that:

1. Tancredo would select Giuliani as his running mate, even if forced to by the RNC

2. Giuliani would want to associate himself in any way with the fiasco that would undoubtedly be the Tancredo 08 Campaign.

[ag]

Giuliani/Tancredo would be less crazy,  though still, probably, losing. But Tancredo/Giuliani is a joke.

1. To begin with, Chances of Tancredo and Giuliani running on the same ticket are zero. Conditional on that incredible event actually occuring, chances of the two not publically shooting each other between the convention and the election are also quite small. Even if both are alive on the election day, chances are they are publically not on speaking terms.

2. Secondly, under this scenario it is much more likely to get a third-party bid on the Rep side, than on the Dem side. Both Clinton and Obama are mainstream Dems, but neither Tancredo, nor Giuliani are mainstream Reps. Under this scenario you are almost guaranteed some major Rep politician running on a third-party line.

3. I wouldn't even bet on Reps taking Texas in such a matchup, even without third parties.  If it were to happen, you'd be guaranteed a very high Hispanic turnout, w/ Hispanics voting at least as uniformly for Dems than the blacks would. You'd get, at least, 85% Dem Hispanic vote, possibly higher (unless, of course, Giuliani publically promises to poison Tancredo within 10 days of taking office). Texas Rep dominance requires a substantial minority of the Hispanic vote, which would be lost in this case.  To compensate, the ticket would have to whipe out a real hysteria among the Anglo Texan voters - not impossible, but very poisonous in long term (and I am not sure Giuliani would go for it). The ticket would take a few montain states (Utah, Wyoming, Idaho) and a few southern states (MS, AL, SC), but I doubt about much else.  In the process Reps would get another butchering in Congress, and the Hispanic vote would be solidified Democratic for the next 15 years.

[skybridge]

Tancredo gets pounded about as badly as it's possible for a Republican to be pounded, 475-63. Yes, even against Clinton. It plays like a rerun of 1964. The immigration issue allows him to eke out a victory in Texas, but outside of the Deep South and Utah he loses everything.

Looks about right. Tancredo's margin would probably be highest in the Mexican border states, but he wouldn't win anywhere except the impossibly die-hard Republican states. The Republican ticket effectively cancels itself out, placing the national security hero in the subordinate position against the national security nutjob. Having said that, I agree with those questioning whether Giuliani would ever accept, especially giving his consistent front-runner status. Tancredo contributes nothing in terms of experience or what not either. The campaign finance juggernaut and colossal charisma catapult the Democrats to the White House with this one.