If you could choose the age limits on these things, where would you set the bar?
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« on: May 31, 2022, 08:31:05 PM »

Give me an ideal age limit for each of these regulated actions. "All ages" or "not allowed for any age" are both valid responses, too.

Consuming alcohol:
Consuming marijuana:
Consuming tobacco:
Criminal responsibility:
Draft:
Driving:
Sexual consent:
Tattooing:
Voluntary military service:
Voting:
Working age:
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« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2022, 08:37:29 PM »

Consuming alcohol: 17
Consuming marijuana: 17
Consuming tobacco: 17
Criminal responsibility: 17
Draft: All ages
Driving: 15
Sexual consent: Some sort of sliding scale based on age of partner. But generally 17, if I have to pick a specific number.
Tattooing: 17
Voluntary military service: 17
Voting: 17
Working age: 11
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« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2022, 08:44:53 PM »

Consuming alcohol: Illegal
Consuming marijuana: Against the Law
Consuming tobacco: Prohibited
Criminal responsibility: Infinite
Draft: 0
Driving: None
Sexual consent: Haram
Tattooing: Satanic
Voluntary military service: Inconceivable
Voting: Abolished
Working age: Priceless
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« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2022, 09:02:54 PM »

Consuming alcohol: 18 beer and wine, 21 liquor unless at home
Consuming marijuana: 18
Consuming tobacco: 21
Criminal responsibility: depends but generally 18
Draft: 21
Driving: 17
Sexual consent: sliding scale from age 14 to 18, full legality after 18
Tattooing: 18
Voluntary military service: 18
Voting: 18
Working age: 16
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« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2022, 09:06:35 PM »

Consuming alcohol: No official consumption age, but if parents are feeding their young kids copious amounts of alcohol that should get CPS involved.
Consuming marijuana: Same as alcohol
Consuming tobacco: Same as alcohol
Criminal responsibility: Depends on the crime but juvenile offenders shouldn’t be tried as adults.
Draft: Should be illegal
Driving: 14 to get permit, 15 for license
Sexual consent: 16/18 is fine in general, no particular preference there, but there definitely should be close in age exceptions of a few years.
Tattooing: 16, younger is ok with parental consent
Voluntary military service: 18
Voting: 14
Working age: 14 is fine, younger if it’s a family/small business and they’re getting fair compensation or for gig work
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« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2022, 09:53:59 PM »
« Edited: June 01, 2022, 08:19:26 PM by Kind Tweets and $5 Gas »

Consuming alcohol: 16 for beer and wine, 18 for hard liquor
Consuming marijuana: 21 (interferes with brain development in a way alcohol and tobacco don't)
Consuming tobacco: 18
Criminal responsibility: generally 16, can be lower for particularly heinous crimes - the status quo, basically
Draft: 18, and only in a war on American soil or an otherwise existential war like WW2
Driving: 14 in rural areas, 15 in suburbs, 16 in urban cores
Sexual consent: 16, with additional Romeo-and-Juliet allowances
Tattooing: 18 - my understanding is that these are very difficult to remove, making it effectively quasi-permanent body modification
Voluntary military service: 17 (boot camp during summer break), 16 during a war on American soil
Voting: 18. I'd be open to it for under-18s if they both pass a civics test and earn enough income to pay federal income tax.
Working age: 12 or 13 very restricted (talking a few hours a week in completely non-dangerous jobs), 14 restricted, 16 unrestricted
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« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2022, 10:03:08 PM »

Consuming alcohol: 18
Consuming marijuana: 18
Consuming tobacco: 18
Criminal responsibility: 18
Draft: 18, only in cases of declared war
Driving: 16
Sexual consent: 16, + anything with an age gap of Purple heart years
Tattooing: 16
Voluntary military service: 18
Voting: 18
Working age: 14
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« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2022, 10:41:09 PM »

Consuming alcohol: Same as MB and he explained it better than I could
Consuming marijuana: ^
Consuming tobacco: ^
Criminal responsibility: 18 or 16
Draft: N/A
Driving: 15
Sexual consent: 16
Tattooing: 16
Voluntary military service: 16
Voting: 14
Working age: 14
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« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2022, 01:04:38 AM »

Consuming alcohol: 18
Consuming marijuana: 18
Consuming tobacco: 18
Criminal responsibility: 16 (depends)
Draft: Should remain abolished
Driving: 16
Sexual consent: 16, but if you're under 16 it's fine if the other person is within a year or two in age
Tattooing: 16
Voluntary military service: 18
Voting: 13 (13-to-18 year olds should be allowed to vote IF they can do well on a test about politics/civics...this would allow posters like Greg, Liam, theflyingmongoose, Ishan and myself to vote - yeah, we're younger than 18, but logically we should be allowed to vote since I'd guess we're more politically aware than a majority of adults who vote)
Working age: 14 (for certain jobs...16 for the others)
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« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2022, 07:46:19 AM »

I think there's something to be said for staggering the drinking age and the driving age. Hard to say which should come first, though. Both are extremely dangerous, and one is especially dangerous for other people.
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« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2022, 10:36:28 AM »

I think there's something to be said for staggering the drinking age and the driving age. Hard to say which should come first, though. Both are extremely dangerous, and one is especially dangerous for other people.

I'd go with legalizing driving first. I could deal with teenagers being able to drink, I just think that driving should have the lower bar as driving, unlike drinking, is an actual necessity, at least for those in an area where public transit isn't a feasible option.
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« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2022, 11:18:12 AM »

Consuming alcohol: 17
Consuming marijuana: 17
Consuming tobacco: 17
Criminal responsibility: 17
Draft: 17
Driving: 15
Sexual consent: 17
Tattooing: 17
Voluntary military service: 17
Voting: 17
Working age: 11
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« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2022, 05:25:22 PM »

I think there's something to be said for staggering the drinking age and the driving age. Hard to say which should come first, though. Both are extremely dangerous, and one is especially dangerous for other people.
Worth considering that there is nearly universal underage drinking, and much less underage driving. If you set the ages the same most kids will have plenty of drinking under their belt before they get behind the wheel.
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« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2022, 05:45:10 PM »

Consuming alcohol: 18
Consuming marijuana: 18
Consuming tobacco: 21
Criminal responsibility: 15
Draft: shouldn't happen
Driving: 14 for learner's permit, eligible for full license after six months of a learner's permit (current law in North Dakota.)
Sexual consent: 18 with a three year buffer
Tattooing: 18
Voluntary military service: 18
Voting: 18, although 17-year olds who turn 18 before election day should be allowed to vote in the primary.
Working age: 13
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« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2022, 11:04:17 PM »

Consuming alcohol: 17
Consuming marijuana: 17
Consuming tobacco: 17
Criminal responsibility: 17
Draft: 17
Driving: 16
Sexual consent: 16
Tattooing: 16
Voluntary military service: 16
Voting: 16
Working age: 14
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« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2022, 11:21:42 PM »

Alcohol:  21
Marijuana:  N/A (illegal)
Tobacco:  19
Criminal responsibility:  16
Draft:  18
Driving:  15
Sexual consent:  16
Tattooing:  18
Voluntary military service:  17
Voting:  18
Working age:  15 (part-time) and 16 (full-time)
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« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2022, 11:50:53 PM »

Consuming alcohol: 16 for beer and wine in domestic or restaurant settings, 18 for hard liquor and/or drinking in bars/purchasing alcohol from stores
Consuming marijuana: 18
Consuming tobacco: 21
Criminal responsibility: 16
Draft: Should not exist but 18 if necessary
Driving: 16
Sexual consent: 16
Tattooing: 18
Voluntary military service: 17 with parental consent, 18 otherwise
Voting: 16
Working age: 16
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« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2022, 11:53:10 PM »

Consuming alcohol: No age limit for consumption, 18 to purchase
Consuming marijuana: No age limit for consumption, 18 to purchase
Consuming tobacco: No age limit for consumption, 18 to purchase
Criminal responsibility: 18
Draft: 18
Driving: 16, with restrictions.
Sexual consent: Ideally 18, but this is a complicated one. Two 17-year-olds who have sexual contact shouldn't be punished, but a 17-year-old who has sexual contact with an 11-year-old should be, and the laws should reflect that.
Tattooing: 18
Voluntary military service: 18
Voting: 18
Working age: 16, with restrictions.

While 20 is my preferred age of majority because it's a rounder number, anyone who's old enough to graduate the public school system should have all the legal rights of an adult.
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« Reply #18 on: June 01, 2022, 11:56:45 PM »

Consuming alcohol: 18
Consuming marijuana: 18
Consuming tobacco: 18
Criminal responsibility: 18
Draft: ban it for everyone
Driving: 16
Sexual consent: 16
Tattooing: ban it for everyone
Voluntary military service: 21
Voting: 13
Working age: 18
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« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2022, 01:03:24 AM »

Consuming alcohol: 18
Consuming marijuana: 18
Consuming tobacco: 18
Criminal responsibility: 18
Draft: Illegal
Driving: 16 (15 for driving licence)
Sexual consent: 16 (with Romeo and Juliet laws up to four years)
Tattooing: 16
Voluntary military service: 18
Voting: 18
Working age: 14 (part-time/casual), 17 (full-time)
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« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2022, 06:43:42 AM »

Consuming alcohol:with supervision of a parent/guardian, no age.  Alone, 18.
Consuming marijuana:same as above
Consuming tobacco:16 for smokeless, 18 for smoke
Criminal responsibility:zero 7?....if they are old enough to know what they are doing is wrong, they are old enough to be punished for it.
Draft:there shouldn't be a draft.  If a country's survival is at stake and they can't get enough of their citizens to voluntarily defend it, then it doesn't deserve to exist as a country.
Driving:it should be skills based, not age based
Sexual consent:puberty but if below 18, partner(s) must be within 3 years of your age
Tattooing:no age with parent/guardian consent, 18 alone
Voluntary military service: 18
Voting:18
Working age: for less than 20 hours a week, no age.  For more than 20 hours, 14
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« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2022, 09:07:16 AM »

Consuming alcohol: 19, but don't really enforce underage consumption

Consuming marijuana: 19, but don't really enforce underage consumption

Consuming tobacco: 19, but don't really enforce underage consumption

Criminal responsibility: Depends on the issue tbh, I don't think a 16-year-old should go to jail for dealing drugs, but they should if they're a rapist or a school shooter

Draft: n/a

Driving: 16 permit / 17 provisional / 18 license (this is how my state does it)

Sexual consent: 19-20 (with +/-3 Romeo & Juliet exceptions)

Tattooing: 16

Voluntary military service: 19

Voting: 18

Working age: part-time 15, full-time 17.
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« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2022, 12:14:50 PM »

Consuming alcohol: 21
Consuming marijuana: Illegal
Consuming tobacco: 21
Criminal responsibility: 12 (child) /18 (adult)
Draft: 18-25 (theoretical age, would obviously prefer not to be used in practice)
Driving: 18, exceptions for rural areas/specific needs
Sexual consent: 16
Tattooing: 18
Voluntary military service: 17 (non-combat) / 18 (combat)
Voting: 18
Working age: 16
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« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2022, 02:15:46 PM »

Consuming alcohol: 21
Consuming marijuana: never
Consuming tobacco: never
Criminal responsibility: 12(child) 15(adult)
Draft: 18
Driving: 16
Sexual consent: 16
Tattooing: don't care
Voluntary military service: 18
Voting: 21
Working age 18
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« Reply #24 on: June 02, 2022, 02:17:17 PM »

Consuming alcohol: 25
Consuming marijuana: 25
Consuming tobacco: 25
Criminal responsibility: 18
Draft: NEVER
Driving: 16
Sexual consent: 16
Tattooing: 21
Voluntary military service: 18
Voting: 17
Working age: 16
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