French political discussion megathread: Yellow Vest Redux

[Deep Dixieland Senator, Muad'dib (OSR MSR)]

Violent riots are always the wrong approach and lead to nothing other than more innocent people or their property getting hurt. What happened is a tragedy and disgrace, but two wrongs don't make a right. Protests should always be peaceful, otherwise it's no protest.

That's not how things work in the real world

The existence of peaceful protests in history would suggest otherwise.

[Deep Dixieland Senator, Muad'dib (OSR MSR)]

Violent riots are always the wrong approach and lead to nothing other than more innocent people or their property getting hurt. What happened is a tragedy and disgrace, but two wrongs don't make a right. Protests should always be peaceful, otherwise it's no protest.

i'm sure you would be the type of person who would chant: "all lives matter" during the BLM protests.

Secondly, i believe in protests, riots and revolution. If you don't than you would simply have obeyed the nazis if you were alive 80 years ago.

I at least would fight, even if that led me to being incarcerated in a concentration camp. My question to you: "what side are you on!".

It's essential to safeguard and protect a democracy.

Congratulations on winning the Godwin's Law award

[NOVA Green]

Brief interjection... I do recall watching a French movie back in the mid '90s l'haine, live in an indy theater in the US which appears to be set in similar banlieues, around similar issues.

Marched in mass street demos in Paris way back in the dayz...

Seen Far-Right graffiti spray and fliers posted in Marseilles also in the mid '90s, Circle As and Hammers and Cycles over as well, and you walked through the densely populated immigrant quarters down by the old port, many different vibes, languages, food and culture, and never felt afraid.

Anyways time for NOVA Green musical interlude as we take a trip back in the time machine....

Here is the trailer, but would recommend watching the full movie on streaming.

Meanwhile MC Solaar is rocking beats, which a French-Vietnamese friend of mind introduced me to way back in the early / mid 1990s...

A few years later we got...

Obviously this was a big block buster back in the dayz...

[LAKISYLVANIA]

Violent riots are always the wrong approach and lead to nothing other than more innocent people or their property getting hurt. What happened is a tragedy and disgrace, but two wrongs don't make a right. Protests should always be peaceful, otherwise it's no protest.

That's not how things work in the real world

The existence of peaceful protests in history would suggest otherwise.

But it's usually the non-peaceful protests that bring change.

And nowadays even that is not enough, look at Iran for instance.

[LAKISYLVANIA]

Brief interjection... I do recall watching a French movie back in the mid '90s l'haine, live in an indy theater in the US which appears to be set in similar banlieues, around similar issues.

I strongly recommend that film, it's excellent.

And yes there are strong similarities here.

[LAKISYLVANIA]

Violent riots are always the wrong approach and lead to nothing other than more innocent people or their property getting hurt. What happened is a tragedy and disgrace, but two wrongs don't make a right. Protests should always be peaceful, otherwise it's no protest.

i'm sure you would be the type of person who would chant: "all lives matter" during the BLM protests.

Secondly, i believe in protests, riots and revolution. If you don't than you would simply have obeyed the nazis if you were alive 80 years ago.

I at least would fight, even if that led me to being incarcerated in a concentration camp. My question to you: "what side are you on!".

It's essential to safeguard and protect a democracy.

Congratulations on winning the Godwin's Law award

We're on a forum discussing politics. And yes if you believe violence is never the solution, we would live in authoritarian regimes.

You haven't taken the effort to disprove what i've said, you just mentioned "godwin's law" but that itself doesn't disprove it.

Also please stop responding in size 10 format because you make it look like you think you're above everyone else.

[Agafin]

Rioting is always bad but to riot because a criminal was unjustly killed is just bizarre. The police action was wrong but I can't blame him too much since that teenager was trying to run away from arrest. How many people have been killed by a reckless driver attempting to flee?

[jaichind]

https://twitter.com/KitKlarenberg/status/1674560349373071360

[Zinneke]

Rioting is always bad but to riot because a criminal was unjustly killed is just bizarre. The police action was wrong but I can't blame him too much since that teenager was trying to run away from arrest. How many people have been killed by a reckless driver attempting to flee?

I disagree. The rioting is objectionable, counter-productieve, but it is not bizarre : these people have nothing else but refusenik mentality to hang on to. They and elements of the police should be stuck on an artificial island and made to play Hunger Games/Battle Royale. Violence is what stimulates these people, along with the Imam or Stormfront in the riot police case : give to to them. Instead of puzzle solving Fort Boyard should become a 21st century gladiator arena

[Farmlands]

Violent riots are always the wrong approach and lead to nothing other than more innocent people or their property getting hurt. What happened is a tragedy and disgrace, but two wrongs don't make a right. Protests should always be peaceful, otherwise it's no protest.

That's not how things work in the real world

You're right. Sometimes we on Atlas lose touch with the common people, and forget that working-class folks love having their cars and upstart businesses torched in democratic socities, where there's just no political or media avenues to pursue changes we want to see enacted. /s

Though, I don't want to leave this comment without saying that I do think the identity of the teen played a part in why he was shot and murdered with zero need and I hope justice eventually prevails.

[Zinneke]

Macron is asking parents to keep their troublesome youth home, but he doesn't realize that the reason these youth are troublesome is because their parents have given up parenting a long time ago. Really France and Belgium could do with an old school Anglo-Saxon approach (before they gave up to allow parallel legal systems to interfere) to social services and strengthening this, allowing for parents to have their children taken away from them until they get their act together. Stricter more effective social services would be a useful expenditure of the taxpayer's money as opposed to handguns and special tanks for police unions to boast about.

Of course, on Atlas, we have had posters claim that parents are the ultimate right-holders in these situations : they should be allowed to ruin the lives of their children. And the basis of this was of course religious law.

[MaxQue]

Violent riots are always the wrong approach and lead to nothing other than more innocent people or their property getting hurt. What happened is a tragedy and disgrace, but two wrongs don't make a right. Protests should always be peaceful, otherwise it's no protest.

That's not how things work in the real world

You're right. Sometimes we on Atlas lose touch with the common people, and forget that working-class folks love having their cars and upstart businesses torched in democratic socities, where there's just no political or media avenues to pursue changes we want to see enacted. /s

Though, I don't want to leave this comment without saying that I do think the identity of the teen played a part in why he was shot and murdered with zero need and I hope justice eventually prevails.

As if anybody is wealthy enough to own a car or a business in the banlieue...

[Zinneke]

Violent riots are always the wrong approach and lead to nothing other than more innocent people or their property getting hurt. What happened is a tragedy and disgrace, but two wrongs don't make a right. Protests should always be peaceful, otherwise it's no protest.

That's not how things work in the real world

You're right. Sometimes we on Atlas lose touch with the common people, and forget that working-class folks love having their cars and upstart businesses torched in democratic socities, where there's just no political or media avenues to pursue changes we want to see enacted. /s

Though, I don't want to leave this comment without saying that I do think the identity of the teen played a part in why he was shot and murdered with zero need and I hope justice eventually prevails.

As if anybody is wealthy enough to own a car or a business in the banlieue...

This is a profoundly ignorant comment : many lumpen class people's lives and indeed jobs (including drug dealing of course) require a car, not to mention how cars actually serve as a status symbol to many of them due to the orgy of consumerist propaganda they take in when watching the tiktok videos or their favorite rapper or football star brag about his gold plated Lambo. And many working class people in Paris live in périurbain places where without a car they would not be able to work, and I am not talking about 4-sided villa inhabitants.

The 17 year old was killed driving a car, not a scooter.

[CumbrianLefty]

Macron is apparently blaming computer games for these events?

The 1990s called, they want their memes back.

[Storr]

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1674562084624039936?s=20

[LAKISYLVANIA]

Macron is apparently blaming computer games for these events?

The 1990s called, they want their memes back.

Many people have been doing gta stuff, so i can see where hes coming from

https://twitter.com/bgeneral1220/status/1674595915523411968

https://twitter.com/k_gaita/status/1674592060865753090

https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1674539830620094464

https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1674586751451496448

[kelestian]

Violent riots are always the wrong approach and lead to nothing other than more innocent people or their property getting hurt. What happened is a tragedy and disgrace, but two wrongs don't make a right. Protests should always be peaceful, otherwise it's no protest.

i'm sure you would be the type of person who would chant: "all lives matter" during the BLM protests.

Secondly, i believe in protests, riots and revolution. If you don't than you would simply have obeyed the nazis if you were alive 80 years ago.

I at least would fight, even if that led me to being incarcerated in a concentration camp. My question to you: "what side are you on!".

It's essential to safeguard and protect a democracy.

Congratulations on winning the Godwin's Law award

We're on a forum discussing politics. And yes if you believe violence is never the solution, we would live in authoritarian regimes.

You haven't taken the effort to disprove what i've said, you just mentioned "godwin's law" but that itself doesn't disprove it.

Also please stop responding in size 10 format because you make it look like you think you're above everyone else.

 But France is not authoritarian state

On side note, last year there was a movie which predicted current events
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athena_(2022_film)

[LAKISYLVANIA]

And this is why fireworks are banned

some close combat firework fighting on twitter

https://twitter.com/BiancoArnoldo/status/1674525057958174721

[LAKISYLVANIA]

Violent riots are always the wrong approach and lead to nothing other than more innocent people or their property getting hurt. What happened is a tragedy and disgrace, but two wrongs don't make a right. Protests should always be peaceful, otherwise it's no protest.

i'm sure you would be the type of person who would chant: "all lives matter" during the BLM protests.

Secondly, i believe in protests, riots and revolution. If you don't than you would simply have obeyed the nazis if you were alive 80 years ago.

I at least would fight, even if that led me to being incarcerated in a concentration camp. My question to you: "what side are you on!".

It's essential to safeguard and protect a democracy.

Congratulations on winning the Godwin's Law award

We're on a forum discussing politics. And yes if you believe violence is never the solution, we would live in authoritarian regimes.

You haven't taken the effort to disprove what i've said, you just mentioned "godwin's law" but that itself doesn't disprove it.

Also please stop responding in size 10 format because you make it look like you think you're above everyone else.

 But France is not authoritarian state

On side note, last year there was a movie which predicted current events
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athena_(2022_film)

My point is that this is a subjective term.

I don't think it's a democratic one either if Macron for controversial decisions bypasses parliament.

Maybe for white people it's democratic, but it's not for non-whites. You don't have the same chances as a non-white like whites do here. (although part of that might be a geographic issue: city demographics).

[PSOL]

Honestly I don't see how France doesn't end up into some kind of civil war. It's clearly being divided into three camps who hate each others. It's already a banana republic given Macron passes important laws by decrees anyway but things are going to deteriorate.

France had arguably three civil wars, and it either worked out for the better immediately afterwards or set the groundwork for a better society later on.

In the Hundreds Year war, a group of French people illegally declared their own government with a usurper in charge over the rightful kings of France. They conducted illegal activity and pretty heinous acts like suppressing Jacquieres or taking integral parts of England as their own but no one questions that what they did wasn’t the best course of action.

The French Wars of religion set the stage for the moniker of equality and fraternity to be enforced in the French Revolution, of which both saw massive riots against state oppression.

France is an authoritarian state where rule of law does not exist, the vicious attacks of the state against the workers of France through authoritarian retirement policies and massive attacks against the Maghrebi population proves it, and its government only serves at best 30% of the population no matter how well you slice it and is only in power thanks to the regime of the unrepresentative FPTP. There are many important organizers on the ground seeking the removal of Macron and the continued oppression and containment of the people in and even outside of work without ownership or their labour.

These “riots”, like the revolt of 2005, will set the stage for a better France where the jackboot is removed or lay the stage for a fourth time of liberation.

An inevitability, given France's immigration policy. Perhaps they'll change course, but I doubt it.

They deserve everything that is coming to them.

Oh please, when the white working people were protesting not too long ago the same people were cracking their skulls and supporting that measure. At this point Macron barely sees the difference between a Maghrebi or a Gaul.

[LAKISYLVANIA]

Riots seem to be more intense in Lyon and Marseille right now

https://twitter.com/RResoluteReport/status/1674885222930808832

A gun store has been looted.

[Death of a Salesman]

France is an authoritarian state where rule of law does not exist, the vicious attacks of the state against the workers of France through authoritarian retirement policies and massive attacks against the Maghrebi population proves it, and its government only serves at best 30% of the population no matter how well you slice it and is only in power thanks to the regime of the unrepresentative FPTP. There are many important organizers on the ground seeking the removal of Macron and the continued oppression and containment of the people in and even outside of work without ownership or their labour.

These “riots”, like the revolt of 2005, will set the stage for a better France where the jackboot is removed or lay the stage for a fourth time of liberation.

Authoritarianism is when you want to spend 10% of GDP on old age pensions instead of 15%. You socialists are ing ridiculous.

[Storr]

And this is why fireworks are banned

some close combat firework fighting on twitter

https://twitter.com/BiancoArnoldo/status/1674525057958174721

https://twitter.com/L_ThinkTank/status/1674862331564548111?s=20

[kelestian]

Violent riots are always the wrong approach and lead to nothing other than more innocent people or their property getting hurt. What happened is a tragedy and disgrace, but two wrongs don't make a right. Protests should always be peaceful, otherwise it's no protest.

i'm sure you would be the type of person who would chant: "all lives matter" during the BLM protests.

Secondly, i believe in protests, riots and revolution. If you don't than you would simply have obeyed the nazis if you were alive 80 years ago.

I at least would fight, even if that led me to being incarcerated in a concentration camp. My question to you: "what side are you on!".

It's essential to safeguard and protect a democracy.

Congratulations on winning the Godwin's Law award

We're on a forum discussing politics. And yes if you believe violence is never the solution, we would live in authoritarian regimes.

You haven't taken the effort to disprove what i've said, you just mentioned "godwin's law" but that itself doesn't disprove it.

Also please stop responding in size 10 format because you make it look like you think you're above everyone else.

 But France is not authoritarian state

On side note, last year there was a movie which predicted current events
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athena_(2022_film)

My point is that this is a subjective term.

I don't think it's a democratic one either if Macron for controversial decisions bypasses parliament.

Maybe for white people it's democratic, but it's not for non-whites. You don't have the same chances as a non-white like whites do here. (although part of that might be a geographic issue: city demographics).

Well, it is democratic by any possible measure, is considered democratic in all possible ratings etc. If it is not democracy, I don't know, what is, probably no country on Earth is.

Why though? Non-white citizens have similar rights as white (are Arabs white, btw?), there are plenty non-white politicians etc. Like, it's not Israel or Alabama

[jaichind]