Do You Believe in the 'Great Replacement Theory'?

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Diversity does complicate things in terms of economic status as the system is set up as a zero-sum game and depending on who is in charge it is difficult for certain groups outside of the local power structure to get jobs, from cases like gentrifiers casting out the locals to the disaster in Colorado and the Idaho panhandle where the locals have been disempowered entirely due to people who act like they own the place.

However, the gist of the "Great Replacement Theory" is wrong that the masters of such demographic change are actually anti-white, which means being WASPy and wealthy, and not just anti-worker. Of course the lower end of the White middle class don't actually care about poorer workers of mainly European descent, nor do they offer a world where if they are in charge things will fundamentally change. Places will still get bombed and the government and deviants will still support economic austerity and free flow of drugs and people through as any opposition gets covertly dealt with. And they are just going to bring in swathes of Eastern and South European workers who will be cast out as foreign given time.

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In England (by which I mean 'England', not 'Great Britain', not 'The United Kingdom'), the percentage of children classified as 'White' in the pre-school bracket on current official Department for Education stations is only a few percentage points lower than the percentage of 0-4 year olds classified as 'White' at the 2011 census. The percentage of children in that bracket who are classified as 'White British' is still around about two-thirds or so as well. And then we note something else: that the tendency in British society (both presently and in the past)* has been for people of mixed heritage to be absorbed into the mainstream rather than the other way around, and it's the 'mixed' category that has grown the most in DofE stats.

_{*The discovery that there was a fair-sized Black minority in Britain during the 18th century always raises an obvious question: 'what happened to them?' And while half the answer is that 'many left for Sierra Leone', the other half is that 'the rest were ultimately absorbed into the rest of the population without much trace'.}

The thing is a good amount of these children of European-descent don’t have roots in the British Isles at all, but from all over Europe and Eastern Europe especially. A significant amount of backlash to the EU has been from the trope of “polish plumbers stealing” “indigenous British peoples” jobs.

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Ending capitalism would make many of these points mute, as there would be no incentive to immigrate anywhere with market instability and exploitation lessened.

Still, this thread reminds me of the ill-fated attempts of the First international from preventing Slavs and Italians from immigrating to the more industrialized parts of Europe, in that there can be no solution to migration without political change and that any utilization of current frameworks to prevent migration are doomed for failure.

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Ending capitalism would make many of these points mute, as there would be no incentive to immigrate anywhere with market instability and exploitation lessened.

Right because that is obviously the only motivator for people to escape their current locations.

Yes, and anything else is just a byproduct.

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Ending capitalism would make many of these points mute, as there would be no incentive to immigrate anywhere with market instability and exploitation lessened.

Right because that is obviously the only motivator for people to escape their current locations.

Yes, and anything else is just a byproduct.

So all government tyranny the history of the world over is the result of capitalism?

Capitalism is the dominant mode of production that dictates our interactions with other beings, every fault in the system is a byproduct of the wider situation.

Yes, but I'm in favor of it.

You mean you believe that it is happening, but that it is a good thing? That still doesn't mean it should be something to celebrate or be afraid of.

I call it the "Reversalist Great Replacement", which is social conservatives want more highly religious minorities to immigrate and displace the voting power of secular white liberals.

So you would condemn the lefties who have embraced it in a "your day is done" kind of way in the past?

In my experience, the similarities boil down to where the immigrants came from and how they are doing in the US, but most conservatives really do not have much in common with poorer conservative recent immigrant and second generation populations even with agreeing over some social issues. The family structure and interaction with the rest of society is different and the income and occupational differences they face is also different.

Also, it’s sad seeing people just want immigration to make it easier for themselves, you and the flipside of this like Antonio just want to rule like kings and don’t think of the wider picture, in effect ruining your own desires and making yourselves miserable in having to micromanage your own failure. A significant source of conservative bugbears comes from urban minorities interacting with society—the last sources of traditional African culture under pressure led to the sexual revolution and modern activism because they had no option unlike white people of similar standings, modern lgbt culture is descended and upheld entirely from diaspora populations with less to lose, and modern American labor history owes a lot to declassed Russian Jews who settled up north in the late 1800s to early 1920s. Similarly, strategically placed diaspora populations— like the Cuban diaspora led by the former elite and Dutch calvinists—has definitely ruined the electoral map many times for your side.

I have always supported a world where we do away with borders and let people live where they want without pressure completely outside of human control, but you cannot live in that ideal society without fixing the rest of the worlds problems as best as you can.

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Yes, but I'm in favor of it.

Honestly, this is the take I want to go with sometimes.

Arguably the most successful (well, "successful") example of that is Israel. Although that's often an aspect of Israeli society that's overlooked because it doesn't fit into either Side's narrative.

Given that our most prominent Israeli poster is absolutely miserable about the state of his country’s politics, it cannot be true.

Outside of the Israeli Arab issue, Israel is a deeply divided and socially toxic country with almost everyone angsty and opposed to any in-group not their own. Israeli immigration policy has created an insane housing market with an economy where even white collar professionals who took years and years of study have to compete with the possibility of being denied a position over another Jew anywhere else in the world. marginalized and low income Jews structurally unable to get those jobs, and who have to deal with competition elsewhere for manufacturing and most blue collar work from Palestinian migrant workers, are in a constant state of stress and anger. Maghrebi and Russian Jews in this whose parents aren’t loaded basically are stuck in a race to the bottom under Israel’s current economic system.

All of this also makes some groups, most notably the poorer members of the Hasidic community in Israel, unable to both get employment from businesses outside of connections to a small pool of businessmen apart of their community. Instead they get on welfare and use under the table work to supplement the rest to get by.

This system is not successful, in fact it is probably the Achilles heel of the country as fascist groups basically gain massive steam in their desire to murder both the precariat and the liberal western Jews they blame for upholding this system. Israel is an utter failure of a country in terms of its stability on both analyzing its society and even on a basic level of just observing Israelis interact with one another. It is a parody of the United States.