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Joseph Cao
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« on: May 12, 2022, 01:21:47 AM »
« edited: June 06, 2022, 12:54:58 AM by Lincoln Senator Joseph Cao »

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A SENATE BILL

To allow the GM to revoke past canon under exigent circumstances

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SECTION I. SHORT TITLE.

This bill shall be referred to as the Responsible Excision of Timeline Canon in case of Overt Nonsense Act, or, for short, the RETCON Act.

SECTION II. PROVISIONS.

F.L. 21-19, the Game Engine Reconstruction Act, is hereby amended as follows:

Quote from: F.L. 21-19§3
iii. The word of a game moderator, once spoken, is Canon, and may not be revoked by them or their successor unless a request to revoke canon status from a specific game engine proclamation or set of proclamations is approved by eight-ninths of the full senate.

Sponsor: Sestak
Status: Veto Override Vote

The gentleman from Montana is recognized.
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Joseph Cao
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« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2022, 02:00:37 AM »

Previously it wasn't possible for GMs to revoke their own actions, just those of their predecessors, I think? What was the past justification for that / for including that option now?
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Joseph Cao
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« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2022, 11:14:31 PM »

Previously it wasn't possible for GMs to revoke their own actions, just those of their predecessors, I think? What was the past justification for that / for including that option now?

I asked this originally (and am still hoping for an answer incidentally, Sestak, if you happen to see this) in case there was some philosophical justification for actually having the GM's word be Canon with a capital C, no-take-backsies, done and inviolable. Certainly Lumine made an excellent argument for relaxing that in the event of a completely rogue GM, I'm just interested in whether past Senators have thought otherwise and why.
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Joseph Cao
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« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2022, 01:08:03 AM »

Right, I assume in that case this is simply to bring any general proclamation under this mechanism if it's needed.

In terms of actual scenarios where the GM has to revoke their own declarations I think that should be sufficient to block the possibility of a GM maliciously weathervaning by changing the canonicity of recent events, which to be honest was a real possibility with Crane and Kansas.
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Joseph Cao
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« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2022, 01:10:51 AM »

I’ll motion for a final vote here if no one has any objections.
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Joseph Cao
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« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2022, 12:46:47 AM »

…I forgot again, didn't I. 24 hours to object.
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Joseph Cao
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« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2022, 10:00:21 AM »

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A SENATE BILL

To allow the GM to revoke past canon under exigent circumstances

Quote
SECTION I. SHORT TITLE.

This bill shall be referred to as the Responsible Excision of Timeline Canon in case of Overt Nonsense Act, or, for short, the RETCON Act.

SECTION II. PROVISIONS.

F.L. 21-19, the Game Engine Reconstruction Act, is hereby amended as follows:

Quote from: F.L. 21-19§3
iii. The word of a game moderator, once spoken, is Canon, and may not be revoked by them or their successor unless a request to revoke canon status from a specific game engine proclamation or set of proclamations is approved by eight-ninths of the full senate.

A final vote is now open on the bill for 96 hours – Senators, please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.
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Joseph Cao
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« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2022, 08:02:12 PM »

Aye.
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Joseph Cao
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« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2022, 10:04:26 AM »

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Lincoln: Beesley – Aye
Northeast: AGA – Aye
Great Lakes: Cao – Aye

Frιmont: Kuumo – Not voting
Mountain West: wxtransit – Aye
Pacific: Western Democrat – Not voting

South: Mr. R – Aye
Upper South: Yankee – Aye
Deep South: Muad'dib – Not voting

STV1: MB – Aye
STV2: Weatherboy – Aye
STV3: Deadprez – Not voting
STV4: West_Midlander – Aye
STV5: Sestak – Aye
STV6: OSR – Not voting
STV7: Blairite – Not voting
STV8: Adam – Not voting
STV9: Ishan – Not voting

By a vote of 10-0-0-8, the legislation is passed and is sent to the President.
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Joseph Cao
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« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2022, 10:05:50 AM »

Quote
A SENATE BILL

To allow the GM to revoke past canon under exigent circumstances

Quote
SECTION I. SHORT TITLE.

This bill shall be referred to as the Responsible Excision of Timeline Canon in case of Overt Nonsense Act, or, for short, the RETCON Act.

SECTION II. PROVISIONS.

F.L. 21-19, the Game Engine Reconstruction Act, is hereby amended as follows:

Quote from: F.L. 21-19§3
iii. The word of a game moderator, once spoken, is Canon, and may not be revoked by them or their successor unless a request to revoke canon status from a specific game engine proclamation or set of proclamations is approved by eight-ninths of the full senate.

Passed 10-0-0-8 in the Atlasian Senate assembled,


Joseph Cao, president pro tempore
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Joseph Cao
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« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2022, 12:09:35 AM »

All right.

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A SENATE BILL

To allow the GM to revoke past canon under exigent circumstances

Quote
SECTION I. SHORT TITLE.

This bill shall be referred to as the Responsible Excision of Timeline Canon in case of Overt Nonsense Act, or, for short, the RETCON Act.

SECTION II. PROVISIONS.

F.L. 21-19, the Game Engine Reconstruction Act, is hereby amended as follows:

Quote from: F.L. 21-19§3
iii. The word of a game moderator, once spoken, is Canon, and may not be revoked by them or their successor unless a request to revoke canon status from a specific game engine proclamation or set of proclamations is approved by eight-ninths of the full senate.

Passed 10-0-0-8 in the Atlasian Senate assembled,


Joseph Cao, president pro tempore

A vote on overriding the veto is now open for 96 hours. Please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.
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Joseph Cao
Rep. Joseph Cao
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« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2022, 01:12:40 AM »

Aye.
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Joseph Cao
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« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2022, 12:52:52 AM »

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Lincoln: Beesley – Nay
Northeast: AGA – Aye
Great Lakes: Cao – Aye

Frιmont: Kuumo – Aye
Mountain West: AFE – Abstain
Pacific: Western Democrat – Nay

South: Mr. R – Aye
Upper South: Yankee – Aye
Deep South: Muad'dib – Aye

STV1: MB – Aye
STV2: Weatherboy – Aye
STV3: Deadprez – Aye
STV4: West_Midlander – Aye
STV5: Sestak – Aye
STV6: OSR – Not voting
STV7: Blairite – Nay
STV8: Adam – Aye
STV9: Liam – Nay

By a vote of 12-4-1-1, a two-thirds majority of sitting Senators having voted in the affirmative, the veto is overridden (!).
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Joseph Cao
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« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2022, 12:58:13 AM »

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Quote
A SENATE BILL

To allow the GM to revoke past canon under exigent circumstances

Quote
SECTION I. SHORT TITLE.

This bill shall be referred to as the Responsible Excision of Timeline Canon in case of Overt Nonsense Act, or, for short, the RETCON Act.

SECTION II. PROVISIONS.

F.L. 21-19, the Game Engine Reconstruction Act, is hereby amended as follows:

Quote from: F.L. 21-19§3
iii. The word of a game moderator, once spoken, is Canon, and may not be revoked by them or their successor unless a request to revoke canon status from a specific game engine proclamation or set of proclamations is approved by eight-ninths of the full senate.

Passed 10-0-0-8 in the Atlasian Senate assembled,


Joseph Cao, president pro tempore
Veto.

Veto overridden 12-4-1-1 in the Atlasian Senate assembled,


Joseph Cao, president pro tempore
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