Russia admits it faces economic collapse over Putin's war

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/seize-300bn-frozen-russian-reserves-063734391.html

This would wipe out a decade of economic growth.

[HillGoose]

ahahaha yay!

[Big Abraham]

To be expected from the all-out economic and financial war to isolate the Russian economy from the global financial system. End these oppressive sanctions: they have never resulted in a change of policy (and certainly aren't now), and only hurts the already struggling civilian population who have no control over issues pertaining to foreign relations.

[Hindsight was 2020]

To be expected from the all-out economic and financial war to isolate the Russian economy from the global financial system. End these oppressive sanctions: they have never resulted in a change of policy (and certainly aren't now), and only hurts the already struggling civilian population who have no control over issues pertaining to foreign relations.

Nope lol

[Virginiá]

Why wouldn't the international community leverage sanctions as a way to help cripple the Russian state's ability to wage war, whether through financing or sourcing parts for producing new weapon systems?

I mean, yeah, it sucks that the Russian people have to pay the price for their leaders mistakes, but a lot of these Russians also appear to support the "special military operation" on some level. Either way, the west would be foolish to not use maximum pressure on a country that is waging a war of genocide on another country that did nothing to them.

[AndyHogan14]

To be expected from the all-out economic and financial war to isolate the Russian economy from the global financial system. End these oppressive sanctions: they have never resulted in a change of policy (and certainly aren't now), and only hurts the already struggling civilian population who have no control over issues pertaining to foreign relations.

The "struggling civilians" can storm the Kremlin and drag Putin through the streets Gaddafi style—so they have some control.

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Nope lol

Pretty much this.

[Samof94]

Why wouldn't the international community leverage sanctions as a way to help cripple the Russian state's ability to wage war, whether through financing or sourcing parts for producing new weapon systems?

I mean, yeah, it sucks that the Russian people have to pay the price for their leaders mistakes, but a lot of these Russians also appear to support the "special military operation" on some level. Either way, the west would be foolish to not use maximum pressure on a country that is waging a war of genocide on another country that did nothing to them.

The patriarch of Moscow basically is turning Russian propaganda into Christian terms(especially the homophobia).

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

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To be expected from the all-out economic and financial war to isolate the Russian economy from the global financial system. End these oppressive sanctions: they have never resulted in a change of policy (and certainly aren't now), and only hurts the already struggling civilian population who have no control over issues pertaining to foreign relations.

The "struggling civilians" can storm the Kremlin and drag Putin through the streets Gaddafi style—so they have some control.

Yeah, just like in Belarus or Iran

Gaddafi had NATO bombs over his head


Also, about the 'Yay! We are screwing the Russian Economy!'

1st, we are talking about a population that historically resisted some of the worst economical downturns already, u dont know about this time, but, in a context of full nationalistic paranioa...?

2nd, what i see overall is that we are teaching Russians how to get economically rid from us, and thus accelerating the transition where the West is not really the center of global economy anymore

If u look at both the political reactions and the economical consequences of whats going on...outside the Western sphere...which is basically, what? 6/7 of the world population? Then u can realize whats being built to me is some tracks where the West is sidelined...

Thats just the same thing than what i was saying about the way we handle this war, we just think that whatever we do we are anyways just above anything, but, hmm, dunno, maybe, wake up!

[Hindsight was 2020]

Also it’s pretty telling that not once has BA came into the Ukraine thread to show any sympathy for the Ukrainian civilians that Russia is deliberately murdering but will show up here to cry about the Russian people being hurt by sanctions

[Sir Mohamed]

Their economy was already challenged before. Other than natural ressources, there are no exports or other industries of significance beyond agriculture. Innovation and other future technologies were practically dead anyway. At the same time, there was/is massive inequality in wealth, as only a handful of oligarchs profit from Russia's natural ressources.

While Putin started his tenure with some progress on economic development, he utterly neglected and finally quit on any domestic policy beyond oppression. His entire focus is now on his Greater Russian Empire fantasies, no matter the cost for his own people. The fact large number of them still follow him is just because near total control of media while the opposition gets silenced/locked up.

It takes more than a decade to recover from this, way beyond his time. Russia will still suffer from Putin's tenure long after he's gone.

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

If u look at both the political reactions and the economical consequences of whats going on...outside the Western sphere...which is basically, what? 6/7 of the world population? Then u can realize whats being built to me is some tracks where the West is sidelined...

Thats just the same thing than what i was saying about the way we handle this war, we just think that whatever we do we are anyways just above anything, but, hmm, dunno, maybe, wake up!

Just, 'lol', there is a slightly strong warm wind going on here right now, and, that just popped into my mind:

https://youtu.be/n4RjJKxsamQ

Hey the song is still enjoyable at least ^^

[CumbrianLefty]

The "struggling civilians" can storm the Kremlin and drag Putin through the streets Gaddafi style—so they have some control

Alas its not that simple (and rarely is) That doesn't mean outsiders shouldn't be doing everything they can to aid opposition to Putin(ism) within Russia, though.

[GeneralMacArthur]

Economic devastation is what ultimately ended World War I.  Germany was completely broke and the people began striking and rioting.

There are plenty of other historical examples of regimes that have been toppled due to poor economic conditions -- even during wartime.

Even if this does not lead directly to the end of the way, destroying Russia's economy limits its ability to continue waging that war, and reduces the population's willingness to back future wars of aggression.

The only people upset about this are tankies who read Caitlin Johnstone articles all day about how rotten AmeriKKKa is and how Russia are just some poor misunderstood orphan and the filthy Ukrainians, all nazis and whores, deserve to burn in hell.

[Santander]

To be expected from the all-out economic and financial war to isolate the Russian economy from the global financial system. End these oppressive sanctions: they have never resulted in a change of policy (and certainly aren't now), and only hurts the already struggling civilian population who have no control over issues pertaining to foreign relations.

The "struggling civilians" can storm the Kremlin and drag Putin through the streets Gaddafi style—so they have some control.

Worked so well when struggling Americans like Ashli Babbit stormed the Capitol...

[Mopsus]

To be expected from the all-out economic and financial war to isolate the Russian economy from the global financial system. End these oppressive sanctions: they have never resulted in a change of policy (and certainly aren't now), and only hurts the already struggling civilian population who have no control over issues pertaining to foreign relations.

What we’re doing to the livelihoods of Russians pales in comparison to what Russians are doing to the livelihoods of Ukrainians. Not that it’s about revenge; it’s about the principle that when countries wage pointless, destructive wars of aggression, there will be consequences.

[Badger]

To be expected from the all-out economic and financial war to isolate the Russian economy from the global financial system. End these oppressive sanctions: they have never resulted in a change of policy (and certainly aren't now), and only hurts the already struggling civilian population who have no control over issues pertaining to foreign relations.

"Why are we oppressively blockading the Confederacy? It obviously isn't going to change their attitude towards slavery and rejoining the Union. I don't see the point when all it does is hurt struggling Southern civilians."

[Big Abraham]

What we’re doing to the livelihoods of Russians pales in comparison to what Russians are doing to the livelihoods of Ukrainians.

Russia is a country of 144 million people. Collective guilt isn't just wrong, it's a grossly anti-humanitarian sentiment. You want to personally sanction Putin, the "oligarchs," the commanders in the Russian Armed Forces? Fine. Your average Ivan who has a family to take care of and is just trying to get by? Not a chance. This "starve them out" mentality is exceedingly barbaric, and not even something the staunchest McCarthyite would have proposed at the height of the cold war.

Not that it’s about revenge; it’s about the principle that when countries wage pointless, destructive wars of aggression, there will be consequences.

And the consequences should not be borne on those who are not responsible, especially with the foreknowledge that the people who will be the most affected by these sanctions are those who are the least responsible for it! It is the unholy alliance of futility and cruelty.

This same principles applies to why, for example, it would have been immoral for the international community to unilaterally move to isolate the U.S. economy from the global financial system after we invaded Iraq (or any other country you can dream up).

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

To be expected from the all-out economic and financial war to isolate the Russian economy from the global financial system. End these oppressive sanctions: they have never resulted in a change of policy (and certainly aren't now), and only hurts the already struggling civilian population who have no control over issues pertaining to foreign relations.

Liar.

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[Big Abraham]

To be expected from the all-out economic and financial war to isolate the Russian economy from the global financial system. End these oppressive sanctions: they have never resulted in a change of policy (and certainly aren't now), and only hurts the already struggling civilian population who have no control over issues pertaining to foreign relations.

"Why are we oppressively blockading the Confederacy? It obviously isn't going to change their attitude towards slavery and rejoining the Union. I don't see the point when all it does is hurt struggling Southern civilians."

What? Lol, the Confederates attacked us, and from within our own country. So of course the U.S. government was at liberty to regulate its own borders from an internal threat, however they saw fit. Also, I don't even know why I'm pointing this out (because you know full well you made this post in bad faith), but yeah, the blockade was a military measure, not a "punishment" for being "bad."

Last I checked, Russia didn't attack us, and we aren't at war with them (despite how much it would make Washington legislators and defense contractors piss with glee even more than they already are), nor is Ukraine even a formal ally. Thus no sanction against Russia could be considered a military measure. There are dozens of wars and conflicts going on in the world right now, some with much higher death tolls and atrocities than what's going in in Ukraine, but you never hear about it. Wonder why.

[Hindsight was 2020]

To be expected from the all-out economic and financial war to isolate the Russian economy from the global financial system. End these oppressive sanctions: they have never resulted in a change of policy (and certainly aren't now), and only hurts the already struggling civilian population who have no control over issues pertaining to foreign relations.

"Why are we oppressively blockading the Confederacy? It obviously isn't going to change their attitude towards slavery and rejoining the Union. I don't see the point when all it does is hurt struggling Southern civilians."

What? Lol, the Confederates attacked us, and from within our own country. So of course the U.S. government was at liberty to regulate its own borders from an internal threat, however they saw fit. Also, I don't even know why I'm pointing this out (because you know full well you made this post in bad faith), but yeah, the blockade was a military measure, not a "punishment" for being "bad."

Last I checked, Russia didn't attack us, and we aren't at war with them (despite how much it would make Washington legislators and defense contractors piss with glee even more than they already are), nor is Ukraine even a formal ally. Thus no sanction against Russia could be considered a military measure. There are dozens of wars and conflicts going on in the world right now, some with much higher death tolls and atrocities than what's going in in Ukraine, but you never hear about it. Wonder why.

Russia is shooting civilians in the back of the head and you don’t seemed bothered by it at all. Wonder why?

[Interlocutor is just not there yet]

"Yeah but Biden promised to 'turn the Ruble into rubble' and Russia's economy is still standing so Biden is a complete failure on that front"

[Badger]

To be expected from the all-out economic and financial war to isolate the Russian economy from the global financial system. End these oppressive sanctions: they have never resulted in a change of policy (and certainly aren't now), and only hurts the already struggling civilian population who have no control over issues pertaining to foreign relations.

"Why are we oppressively blockading the Confederacy? It obviously isn't going to change their attitude towards slavery and rejoining the Union. I don't see the point when all it does is hurt struggling Southern civilians."

What? Lol, the Confederates attacked us, and from within our own country. So of course the U.S. government was at liberty to regulate its own borders from an internal threat, however they saw fit. Also, I don't even know why I'm pointing this out (because you know full well you made this post in bad faith), but yeah, the blockade was a military measure, not a "punishment" for being "bad."

Last I checked, Russia didn't attack us, and we aren't at war with them (despite how much it would make Washington legislators and defense contractors piss with glee even more than they already are), nor is Ukraine even a formal ally. Thus no sanction against Russia could be considered a military measure. There are dozens of wars and conflicts going on in the world right now, some with much higher death tolls and atrocities than what's going in in Ukraine, but you never hear about it. Wonder why.

So you've moved the goalposts from. "Sanctions won't work and will only harm Russian citizens" (even though it's patently clear it harms their war machine relied on to invading Ukraine), to "Well, they haven't attacked US directly, but only another liberal democracy and harming our multiple interests in the region, so we should stay out". A far from seamless shift from supposed ineffectiveness to isolationism as justification.

This is an equally flawed argument on so many levels. Ironic that someone who spouts an ideology based on the slogan "Workers of the world unite!" is now arguing *America First, so what happens outside outside our borders is meaningless."

[Torrain]

If these numbers are anything close to accurate, then I find it hard to see the sanctions as anything other than highly successful. If we are to pressure/isolate Russia without provoking them militarily, then this is the best we can hope for.

[Santander]

If these numbers are anything close to accurate, then I find it hard to see the sanctions as anything other than highly successful. If we are to pressure/isolate Russia without provoking them militarily, then this is the best we can hope for.

Punish 140 million people for the actions of a few.

[DaleCooper]

If these numbers are anything close to accurate, then I find it hard to see the sanctions as anything other than highly successful. If we are to pressure/isolate Russia without provoking them militarily, then this is the best we can hope for.

Punish 140 million people for the actions of a few.

Yep.