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lfromnj
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« on: May 10, 2022, 08:21:35 AM »

This is morbid. What should happen here? Delay the confirmation until after the midterms ? Pass it immediately to save Roe .
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« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2022, 08:31:25 AM »

Bronz threaf wait sh**t you're not bronz
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« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2022, 08:44:00 AM »

Bronz threaf wait sh**t you're not bronz

I mean it would have previously taken one nutjob. Fortunately it seems like security is increasing. Considering this country has had like 4 assassinations  for presidents before we got serious about security it is kind of weird a scotus justice hasn't been assassinated. Quite a few scotus justices have actually been mugged.
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« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2022, 10:01:25 AM »

Republicans replaced RBG's seat with <2 months before the election, so I'd say this would be fair game.
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« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2022, 10:45:02 AM »

Of course lol. Why wouldn't you fill a vacancy when you'll lose the Senate in January.
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« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2022, 10:46:39 AM »

Yep, and Republicans would do exactly the same if a liberal justice was assassinated. That being said, I do not want a conservative justice to be assassinated. I would prefer that they make the conscious decision to retire and f--k off forever.
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« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2022, 10:56:40 AM »

The newest precedent is that when a SCOTUS vacancy arises/exists & the President & the Senate are of the same party, a nominated replacement can be confirmed. Given that status quo, that presumably applies regardless of whether a vacancy was precipitated by a justice's retirement, their removal from office, or their death therein, whatever the cause thereof is.
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« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2022, 12:40:40 PM »

God forbid this happens, but of course. Republicans would never do otherwise, so you do the same.
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« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2022, 01:10:48 PM »

Joe Manchin would block it
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« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2022, 01:34:46 PM »

If a conservative SC justice is assassinated, the Dems should allow the GOP to pick a replacement justice of similar age to be unanimously confirmed.  No political party should try to profit from the assassination of a public official and the Dems should be unanimous and clear in the event that this does happen.
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« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2022, 01:43:10 PM »

If a conservative SC justice is assassinated, the Dems should allow the GOP to pick a replacement justice of similar age to be unanimously confirmed.  No political party should try to profit from the assassination of a public official and the Dems should be unanimous and clear in the event that this does happen.

Republicans would most certainly jump at the chance if it was a liberal justice who got killed, though. These are facts. I'd esimate they need 51, maybe 52 seats in the Senate, but they'd get it jammed through.
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« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2022, 01:51:12 PM »

If a conservative SC justice is assassinated, the Dems should allow the GOP to pick a replacement justice of similar age to be unanimously confirmed.  No political party should try to profit from the assassination of a public official and the Dems should be unanimous and clear in the event that this does happen.

Republicans would most certainly jump at the chance if it was a liberal justice who got killed, though. These are facts. I'd esimate they need 51, maybe 52 seats in the Senate, but they'd get it jammed through.

That's because Republicans are awful people who are completely amoral and hypocritical and will completely reconfigure their principles for the sake of mild political expediency.  Democrats do not need to follow suit.
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« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2022, 02:05:05 PM »

The last time Democrats assassinated a conservative SCOTUS justice, the Republican Senate just refused to hold a hearing on the nominee, drawing out the process until there was a change in administration. Not sure if you could do that today, but that's the playbook.

Bold of you to assume that McConnell wasn't the one who held that pillow over Justice Scalia's head that Feb. night in TX.
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« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2022, 02:42:43 PM »

Democrats should and would confirm a replacement. 
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« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2022, 12:25:31 AM »

If a conservative SC justice is assassinated, the Dems should allow the GOP to pick a replacement justice of similar age to be unanimously confirmed.  No political party should try to profit from the assassination of a public official and the Dems should be unanimous and clear in the event that this does happen.

Republicans would most certainly jump at the chance if it was a liberal justice who got killed, though. These are facts. I'd esimate they need 51, maybe 52 seats in the Senate, but they'd get it jammed through.

That's because Republicans are awful people who are completely amoral and hypocritical and will completely reconfigure their principles for the sake of mild political expediency.  Democrats do not need to follow suit.

This is why Democrats always lose. "Anyone who thinks that there are rules to politics is not good at it" -John Boehner

I'd think the guy who swept a 60+ seat wave into office would probably know something about that. The Republicans think that they can get away with anything, and the Democrats have done nothing to prove them wrong. You need to destroy the Republicans so completely that they'll actually have to change their policies and adapt rather than steal elections.
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« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2022, 08:48:11 AM »

If a conservative SC justice is assassinated, the Dems should allow the GOP to pick a replacement justice of similar age to be unanimously confirmed.  No political party should try to profit from the assassination of a public official and the Dems should be unanimous and clear in the event that this does happen.

People like you are why the Democrats keep losing.

Republicans would never do the same for us. We should not do the same for them.

Hell, they already stole a court seat from us and faced zero consequences. Screw them.

Will following these norms really have been worth it when you deny our chances of ever gaining a Supreme Court majority within our lifetimes?
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« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2022, 10:11:21 AM »

If a conservative SC justice is assassinated, the Dems should allow the GOP to pick a replacement justice of similar age to be unanimously confirmed.  No political party should try to profit from the assassination of a public official and the Dems should be unanimous and clear in the event that this does happen.

Republicans would most certainly jump at the chance if it was a liberal justice who got killed, though. These are facts. I'd esimate they need 51, maybe 52 seats in the Senate, but they'd get it jammed through.

That's because Republicans are awful people who are completely amoral and hypocritical and will completely reconfigure their principles for the sake of mild political expediency.  Democrats do not need to follow suit.

I mean nominating someone like Garland should be the maximum of the appeasement allowed.

What I am worried about is what would happen if there multiple justices or congress critters killed in a way that would be sufficient to flip the body. So if 2 SCOTUS members were killed or 5 Representatives were killed.
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« Reply #17 on: May 11, 2022, 11:59:24 AM »

God forbid this happens, but of course. Republicans would never do otherwise, so you do the same.

I wouldn't like it, but those are the rules, so . . .
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« Reply #18 on: May 11, 2022, 12:28:50 PM »

I would much prefer the Democrats use the opportunity to work out some kind of Supreme Court reform that involves term limits, and they could use the threat of appointing a 25 year-old liberal girl for life as the alternative.

It's kind of similar to the alternate history where Kerry wins the electoral college and loses the popular vote, which could've been the situation that finally got both parties interested in abolishing that crap.
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« Reply #19 on: May 11, 2022, 12:40:06 PM »

Yes, the ideological breakdown of the court is not set in stone. At this point, Joe Biden is the president and has the authority to nominate a justice that will get on the bench after confirmation by the senate.
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« Reply #20 on: May 11, 2022, 06:38:13 PM »

Forcibly retire the entire Supreme Court and then abolish it imo
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« Reply #21 on: May 11, 2022, 07:59:46 PM »

Consult the McConnell Rule.  It says right there, in the fine print, that the Senate/Pres same party in election year clause does not apply to assasinations.  Democrats would have to wait.
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« Reply #22 on: May 11, 2022, 08:21:57 PM »

Consult the McConnell Rule.  It says right there, in the fine print, that the Senate/Pres same party in election year clause does not apply to assasinations.  Democrats would have to wait.

What rule?
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« Reply #23 on: May 12, 2022, 12:20:35 PM »
« Edited: May 12, 2022, 12:37:12 PM by LBJer »

I voted yes.  While "take the high road" sounds nice in theory, in practice it usually means "roll over and play dead, while letting the other person/side get away with murder."  
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« Reply #24 on: May 12, 2022, 12:33:58 PM »

Of course.
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