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« on: May 07, 2022, 02:31:30 PM »

What happens if Arizona goes blue in 2024 but Kari Lake is Governor? Particularly if it's a super close margin like it was in 2020.
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« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2022, 02:38:36 PM »

We all know what will happen. Democrats just don't want to admit it.
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« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2022, 02:40:09 PM »

She doesn’t certify.

It goes to the Supreme Court, they rule 5-4…. Not sure which way it goes. But I Alito and Thomas go with the treasonous team. Roberts sides with Democracy. The question is - will there be one single Trump nominated judge who does the right thing.
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« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2022, 02:53:30 PM »

She doesn’t certify.

It goes to the Supreme Court, they rule 5-4…. Not sure which way it goes. But I Alito and Thomas go with the treasonous team. Roberts sides with Democracy. The question is - will there be one single Trump nominated judge who does the right thing.

Gorsuch is not voting to authorize election fraud.

I'm not even sure Alito or Thomas is. Remember, they consistently smacked down Trump. If it's not a procedural issue like 2000 was and just "We don't like these results, so we're not certifying them", it won't be close.
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« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2022, 03:37:36 PM »

She doesn't certify, the AZ Supreme Court orders it and then the US Supreme Court just refuses to hear the case.

And Lake gets indicted by the Feds
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« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2022, 03:39:32 PM »

She would be Governor Brewer on streoids when it came to immigration
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« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2022, 03:53:17 PM »

Yeah this is extremely unrealistic. There’s no chance of the Supreme Court striking down results just because they don’t like the result. There’s not even a majority of conservatives who would want this to happen. You have to consider why there was an appetite to investigate voter fraud in the first place:

-4 states that were declared by the media to be tossups went to Trump by 3, 6, 8 and 8 (and multiple of these were thought to be national bellwethers). These states also happened to report early in the night
-A bunch of the supposed bellwether counties all went to trump and realigned this election
-All the close states had unacceptably slow ballot counting and counted their votes in an order that made no sense

It was investigated and nobody found anything, so it’s time to move on. The only people still believing in a coup are a few on the far right and the Twitter left
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« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2022, 03:57:01 PM »

Yeah this is extremely unrealistic. There’s no chance of the Supreme Court striking down results just because they don’t like the result. There’s not even a majority of conservatives who would want this to happen. You have to consider why there was an appetite to investigate voter fraud in the first place:

-4 states that were declared by the media to be tossups went to Trump by 3, 6, 8 and 8 (and multiple of these were thought to be national bellwethers). These states also happened to report early in the night
-A bunch of the supposed bellwether counties all went to trump and realigned this election
-All the close states had unacceptably slow ballot counting and counted their votes in an order that made no sense

It was investigated and nobody found anything, so it’s time to move on. The only people still believing in a coup are a few on the far right and the Twitter left

As much as I dislike the pending Roe ruling, overturning an election is a whole different matter than something the constitution itself is admittedly silent about. Even with Alito, the idea of states picking their winner by popular vote is "deeply rooted in American tradition."
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« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2022, 03:58:18 PM »

Yeah this is extremely unrealistic. There’s no chance of the Supreme Court striking down results just because they don’t like the result. There’s not even a majority of conservatives who would want this to happen. You have to consider why there was an appetite to investigate voter fraud in the first place:

-4 states that were declared by the media to be tossups went to Trump by 3, 6, 8 and 8 (and multiple of these were thought to be national bellwethers). These states also happened to report early in the night
-A bunch of the supposed bellwether counties all went to trump and realigned this election
-All the close states had unacceptably slow ballot counting and counted their votes in an order that made no sense

It was investigated and nobody found anything, so it’s time to move on. The only people still believing in a coup are a few on the far right and the Twitter left

As much as I dislike the pending Roe ruling, overturning an election is a whole different matter than something the constitution itself is admittedly silent about. Even with Alito, the idea of states picking their winner by popular vote is "deeply rooted in American tradition."

The Supreme Court also doesn't need a Republican President to get their way politically, so they're not likely to expend political capital on it.
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« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2022, 04:21:23 PM »

Yeah this is extremely unrealistic. There’s no chance of the Supreme Court striking down results just because they don’t like the result. There’s not even a majority of conservatives who would want this to happen. You have to consider why there was an appetite to investigate voter fraud in the first place:

-4 states that were declared by the media to be tossups went to Trump by 3, 6, 8 and 8 (and multiple of these were thought to be national bellwethers). These states also happened to report early in the night
-A bunch of the supposed bellwether counties all went to trump and realigned this election
-All the close states had unacceptably slow ballot counting and counted their votes in an order that made no sense

It was investigated and nobody found anything, so it’s time to move on. The only people still believing in a coup are a few on the far right and the Twitter left

Actually, I'd say more of the appetite to investigate voter fraud came from Trump stating for months before the election that it was going to be rigged if he lost. I think you're overestimating the collective intelligence of the American people when it comes to looking at results, bellwether counties, etc.

People are pushing to audit stuff because the GOP is screaming that it's rigged when they lose. And in order to get the coveted Trump endorsement, people running in 2022 are still parroting these claims.
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« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2022, 04:58:32 PM »

Yeah ultimately the courts would shut it down as they did in 2020 unless it's FL 2000 level close and it's the tipping point state in which case we're screwed anyways.

I think the bigger threat is if she does some funny business that tries to and effectively restricts voting in blue parts of the state.

Also as a sidenote I really wish AZ counties were smaller. Maricopa being large kinda indirectly helps to fuel some of this by making it more vauge if that makes sense.
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« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2022, 08:00:07 PM »

Arizona Secretary of State Mark Finchem declares Trump the winner of Arizona and Governor Kari Lake certifies that. Therefore legally Trump is the winner of the state, regardless of who the media called it for.
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« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2022, 08:18:02 PM »

She's underperforming Ducey margin and Ducey won by landslides, because she said Trump won which isn't true tye only poll we got was her leading D's 41/40
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« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2022, 08:18:16 PM »

Arizona Secretary of State Mark Finchem declares Trump the winner of Arizona and Governor Kari Lake certifies that. Therefore legally Trump is the winner of the state, regardless of who the media called it for.

The AZ Supreme Court wouldn't allow that most likely. You can't just make up numbers.
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« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2022, 09:02:43 PM »

One thing I could def see the GOP doing is doing some funny business in 2024 to try and hold onto the legislature like how Ilena Garcia narrowly won a Florida state seat by literally paying someone with the same last name as the Dem to split the Dem vote. Stuff like that technically isn't illegal but is really disgusting.
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« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2022, 09:56:50 AM »

She doesn't certify, the AZ Supreme Court orders it and then the US Supreme Court just refuses to hear the case.

And Lake gets indicted by the Feds

For?
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« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2022, 12:00:35 PM »

She doesn't certify, the AZ Supreme Court orders it and then the US Supreme Court just refuses to hear the case.

And Lake gets indicted by the Feds

For?
Ake hasn't even gotten elected
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« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2022, 03:16:08 PM »

She would be Governor Brewer on streoids when it came to immigration

Keep in mind, however, that the GOP's majorities in the AZ legislature are very narow. It's 16-14 in the Senate and 31-29 in the House. They'd be hard-pressed to pass any law that's too sweeping. (Though on the other hand, if Lake wins, I'm guessing she also helps the GOP flips seats in the legislature.)
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« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2022, 11:41:03 PM »

Lake originally refuses to certify, along with (in this scenario) SoS Mark Finchem. However, as the certification deadline passes. The Supreme Court takes up the case (if the AZ Supreme Court hasn’t already made the state certify), and in a unanimous decision Arizona is legally obligated to certify the 2024 election. But, what if they ignore it?
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« Reply #21 on: June 19, 2022, 12:45:15 AM »

Lake originally refuses to certify, along with (in this scenario) SoS Mark Finchem. However, as the certification deadline passes. The Supreme Court takes up the case (if the AZ Supreme Court hasn’t already made the state certify), and in a unanimous decision Arizona is legally obligated to certify the 2024 election. But, what if they ignore it?

I suspect you could start to see charges for contempt of court in that case.
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« Reply #22 on: June 19, 2022, 06:59:08 AM »

She is definitely surging but the only GE polls we had were two 41/40 Lake and 50/45 Hobbs states can split their votes like Lake and Kelly and Kemp and Warnock and DeWine and Ryan
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« Reply #23 on: June 21, 2022, 07:48:40 AM »

Yeah, this is a clear Lean R race even if Lake is nominated. Hobbs is a leftist who is a poor fit for the state, as we saw in 2018 when Garcia got crushed by 14 points.
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« Reply #24 on: June 21, 2022, 12:20:32 PM »

Yeah, this is a clear Lean R race even if Lake is nominated. Hobbs is a leftist who is a poor fit for the state, as we saw in 2018 when Garcia got crushed by 14 points.

The same year Hobbs was elected SoS Roll Eyes
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