Argentina 2023 election

[Edu]

Alberto: “Nisman se suicidó, yo espero que no haga algo así Luciani” ("Nisman killed himself, I hope Luciani doesn't do anything like that")

Just as classy as always, the guy just loves sticking his foot in his mouth

lol and a few years ago he was insinuating that Cristina ordered him killed

[Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy]

Yesterday there was a massive protest in support of Cristina outside her private residence, which took most of 4 blocks, which is something i hadn't ever seen before (and I live only a few blocks away from her), which originally started as a counterprotest to a small antikirchnerista protest

Update: today's protest was a LOT smaller, they barely covered one block

[Ⓐnarchy in the ☭☭☭P!]

Somebody tried to shoot CFK in the face with a revolver but the gun failed to go off.

https://twitter.com/cover_up8d/status/1565505222633455617

EDIT: Shooter was 35 and Brazilian, no other info provided so far. Alberto will be giving a speech tomorrow, we'll see if he just straight up accuses Macri of hiring an assassin

From another angle:

https://twitter.com/therealbuni/status/1565512089137025025

[Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy]

As someone who walks right next to Cristina's place every other day (as i mentioned before I live pretty close to her private residence and my parents live even  closer), this is just absolutely awful,

also shooting someone in such a crowded environment is a just a recipe for disaster, with lots of unwanted potential victims (my grandfather almost got shot during a completely different assassination against a president during a crowded event, which makes me have absolutely no sympathy for this asshole despite me not being exactly a fan of Cristina)

Sorry for making this all about myself, but all i can think of right now is how i (or my parents, friends and acquaintances) could've been there and get accidentally shot by this moron

[Red Velvet]

The shooter was a 35 year old Brazilian who lives in Argentina for 20 years and is naturalized Argentinian. Had previous criminal records in Argentina.

In his social media page, he has a picture of Javier Milei in his header and posts in favor of Jair Bolsonaro, where he displays being an enthusiast of Brazil’s economy minister being a Chicago Boy.

Far-right politically motivated violence on the rise.

[Cortarán todas las flores, pero jamás detendrán la primavera]

(my grandfather almost got shot during a completely different assassination against a president during a crowded event

Alfonsin?

[Edu]

Apparently tomorrow will be a holiday or something according to Alberto Fernandez? I guess I'll get drunk today then, cool

[Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy]

(my grandfather almost got shot during a completely different assassination against a president during a crowded event

Alfonsin?

Sadat

[Estrella]

(my grandfather almost got shot during a completely different assassination against a president during a crowded event

Alfonsin?

Sadat

That sounds like a terrifying but fascinating story.

On a different note, I've heard talk from media (and Alberto) about "the judges investigating the case". Have I misunderstood something, or do Argentinian judges also work as investigators or prosecutors?

[Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy]

(my grandfather almost got shot during a completely different assassination against a president during a crowded event

Alfonsin?

Sadat

That sounds like a terrifying but fascinating story.

On a different note, I've heard talk from media (and Alberto) about "the judges investigating the case". Have I misunderstood something, or do Argentinian judges also work as investigators or prosecutors?

Just Alberto things, the judges have some investigative and prosecutorial functions, but that's mostly the task of the prosecutors.

[kaoras]

(my grandfather almost got shot during a completely different assassination against a president during a crowded event

Alfonsin?

Sadat

That sounds like a terrifying but fascinating story.

On a different note, I've heard talk from media (and Alberto) about "the judges investigating the case". Have I misunderstood something, or do Argentinian judges also work as investigators or prosecutors?

In Chile it used to be like that until 2000. Judges investigated, accused and judged.

[Ⓐnarchy in the ☭☭☭P!]

So the investigation into the attempted assassination of CFK has taken some wacky turns.

First off, the shooter turns out to have been a a regular of Crónica's "man on the street" interviews. Then it came out that his girlfriend was also known from Crónica's interviews, and the police had her arrested too

https://twitter.com/lhdanoticias/status/1566631816030715907

Then the police inexplicably managed to wipe the attacker's phone.

Then in the most breaking and bizarre twist yet, this morning the police raided the "Kyle Rittenhouse Cultural Center" (I swear I'm not making this up) in La Plata

https://twitter.com/A24COM/status/1566785251954884611

[Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy]

So the investigation into the attempted assassination of CFK has taken some wacky turns.

First off, the shooter turns out to have been a a regular of Crónica's "man on the street" interviews. Then it came out that his girlfriend was also known from Crónica's interviews, and the police had her arrested too

https://twitter.com/lhdanoticias/status/1566631816030715907

Yep, her story on that segment was that she used to be on welfare but now she works selling cotton candy and making the amount she made on a month of welfare checks in 3 days (btw, without mentioning her sidegig as an amateur porn actress/chatgirl) by selling cotton candy in Avenida Corrientes (basically our lower end equivalent of Broadway)
I've never seen her in Corrientes, but I don't there at night all that much anymore

On more serious notes, the Supreme Court has decreed that the Vialidad corruption case against Cristina will go on, sentencing against senator Mayans' (PJ-Formosa, because of course he had to be a 4 term peronista senator from Formosa ) stupid claim (which he actually formally proposed to the SC) that the trial should be stopped because "there won't be social peace if they don't stop the trial" [yeah, that's seriously his argument]

[Ⓐnarchy in the ☭☭☭P!]

As I mentioned in the other thread, the day after the attempted assassination it seemed like the government might be able to take advantage politically. Pretty much every major political figure issued denunciations and statements of support for Cristina with the notable exceptions of Pato Bullrich and Milei.

Then, as always, members of the government overreached rhetorically and fumbled the ball, with a heavy handed attempt to push "hate speech" legislation along with a spontaneously declared holiday and special weekend legislative session.

Most of the deputies of the government, naturally, used the opportunity to slam the opposition and media for "hate speech" or to pander to CFK. The PRO hawks, led by Bullrich, were caught between the fear of looking like extremists and looking weak to their base, so they voted in favour of denouncing the attack and left immediately without making statements. The JxC doves and moderates denounced the attack but were similarly circumspect. FIT-U denounced the attack and also denounced Milei for remaining silent. Milei (after a silly dispute over whether the President should be called "Señora Presidente" or "Señora Presidenta") gave probably the best political speech of his career, denouncing violence while also denouncing the privilege of the Veep getting a holiday for an attempted assassination when there was no such holiday for the 2012 Once Tragedy or the AMIA bombing.

In the middle of all this, there was an election for the mayorship of Marcos Juárez, a typically safe Peronist city in Córdoba. The attack on Cristina did nothing to prevent the opposition from winning overwhelmingly, and considering Marcos Juárez went against the opposition in 2021 could be an indication of an absolutely crushing repudiation of the government in 2023.

https://twitter.com/AmericaElige/status/1569541085260644353

While all the usual caveats about Argentine polling apply, they all seem to be showing the same trend, namely that JxC is well ahead but bleeding support, FdT is falling even faster and Milei is back to hitting new highs.

https://twitter.com/ArgElecciones/status/1569091037502529544

[Edu]

I know better than support Kirchnerism because "Muh leftism" but, forgive me if I'm wrong, wasn't the reason Fernandez won that Macri was also incompetent at dealing with the long-term economic issues and that the current government has only seen the continuation of that decline, exacerbated by the pandemic?

At this point I believe that Juntos por el Cambio is less incompetent that Kirchnerism but would they be really able to turn things around?

Yep, Macri was also incompetent, the poster boy of missed opportunities, but Fernandez (and kirchnerists in general) are worse (not surprising that he has like a 15% approval rating, which is way worse than Macri at it's worst who if I remember correctly had a bit over 30%). Then again, it's hard to govern when you have partisan and corrupt union leaders plus governors that act basically as feudal lords of their provinces. No surprise that despite we being in a year where poverty is almost at record levels, inflation at 100% and the real salary doesn't keep up with it, there is not a peep out of union leaders and everytime Macri dared to cut 3 bucks from some bloated bureaucracy the streets became engulfed in flames.

In any case, I don't think Macri would even win the primaries right now, Horacio Rodriguez Larreta and Patricia Bullrich have better poll numbers. On the other hand there is a reason that kirchnerists want to eliminate the primaries, the hardliners are trying to force Alberto to not run for reelection. Would be hilarious if he ends up being the nominee with like 10% approval rating or something.

Of course the alternative to incompetents (juntos) and evil incompetents (kirchnerists) is Millei-far right (ugh, no thanks)

I don't think anyone can turn around this sh**thole country because any attempts at real reforms are going to be met with intense opposition by interested parties like peronists aligned unions and their mob bosses. Not even sure I'll even vote next year, maybe I'll vote for some innofensive communist party or something lol

Hilariously, I think that BRTD candidate of choice would be Larreta thanks to their agreement on the destruction of the letter "X".

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

Very depressing that Peronism has, once again, destroyed Argentina, this time through locking the country down for 6 months in 2020. I'm pretty convinced that this, above anything else Fernandez did, is the real source of the ruin Argentina finds itself in. No other country went this far...

[Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy]

There's currently a parliamentary debate over the abolition of the PASO primary election system, with many within Todos supporting their abolition

And now for some minor news, senato Martín Lusteau (UCR/JxC-CABA), said a couple a days ago that he's thinking of running for president if Pro continues with its rightwards shift, but so far his main intention is being JxC's candidate for mayor of Buenos Aires, presumably against Jorge Macri, who has been endorsed by his cousin and by Patricia Bullrich

[PSOL]

Very depressing that Peronism has, once again, destroyed Argentina, this time through locking the country down for 6 months in 2020. I'm pretty convinced that this, above anything else Fernandez did, is the real source of the ruin Argentina finds itself in. No other country went this far...

Utterly untrue, the real reason is a mix of structural damage done during the prior administration, the unwillingness of the current government in telling the IMF to f••• off, and the rollback of social democratic policies and erosion of the state in the conjuring of Menem’s ghost.

There's currently a parliamentary debate over the abolition of the PASO primary election system, with many within Todos supporting their abolition

Honestly this might kill off the momentum FIT-U has right now, but it is the right thing to do regardless.

[Cortarán todas las flores, pero jamás detendrán la primavera]

There's currently a parliamentary debate over the abolition of the PASO primary election system, with many within Todos supporting their abolition

Honestly this might kill off the momentum FIT-U has right now, but it is the right thing to do regardless.

The trots have already come out in support of the primaries though. Which actually surprised me, the Left Front practically owes it's existance to the PASO, so it only made sense for them to support abolishing it. Glad they could overcome their instincts towards uselessness for once.

Also, what momentum?

[PSOL]

There's currently a parliamentary debate over the abolition of the PASO primary election system, with many within Todos supporting their abolition

Honestly this might kill off the momentum FIT-U has right now, but it is the right thing to do regardless.

The trots have already come out in support of the primaries though. Which actually surprised me, the Left Front practically owes it's existance to the PASO, so it only made sense for them to support abolishing it. Glad they could overcome their instincts towards uselessness for once.

Also, what momentum?

Could you repeat what you said one more time, but slower.

[Estrella]

Very depressing that Peronism has, once again, destroyed Argentina, this time through locking the country down for 6 months in 2020. I'm pretty convinced that this, above anything else Fernandez did, is the real source of the ruin Argentina finds itself in. No other country went this far...

Utterly untrue, the real reason is a mix of structural damage done during the prior administration, the unwillingness of the current government in telling the IMF to f••• off, and the rollback of social democratic policies and erosion of the state in the conjuring of Menem’s ghost.

Armchair revolutionaries want nationalism, normal people want something to eat.

(and Alberto doesn't want to leave Casa Rosada in a helicopter)

[PSOL]

Very depressing that Peronism has, once again, destroyed Argentina, this time through locking the country down for 6 months in 2020. I'm pretty convinced that this, above anything else Fernandez did, is the real source of the ruin Argentina finds itself in. No other country went this far...

Utterly untrue, the real reason is a mix of structural damage done during the prior administration, the unwillingness of the current government in telling the IMF to f••• off, and the rollback of social democratic policies and erosion of the state in the conjuring of Menem’s ghost.

Armchair revolutionaries want nationalism, normal people want something to eat.

(and Alberto doesn't want to leave Casa Rosada in a helicopter)

Albies policies have left bread prices skyrocketing, so I don’t know where you are getting at here.

[Ⓐnarchy in the ☭☭☭P!]

There's currently a parliamentary debate over the abolition of the PASO primary election system, with many within Todos supporting their abolition

And now for some minor news, senato Martín Lusteau (UCR/JxC-CABA), said a couple a days ago that he's thinking of running for president if Pro continues with its rightwards shift, but so far his main intention is being JxC's candidate for mayor of Buenos Aires, presumably against Jorge Macri, who has been endorsed by his cousin and by Patricia Bullrich

At the moment there are two simultaneous and opposite attempts at "election reform".

On the one hand, as you mentioned there's Kirchner and company trying to remove the PASO. Ironically, the PASO was actually brought in by Peronists tired of losing elections due to vote splitting, and as recently as 2015 it was the opposition that wanted it removed. But months of catastrophic governance have melted away the government's moderate supporters and left CFK's supporters firmly in the drivers seat for 2023. Whereas despite total popular domination over the government it seems like every day there's another story about Juntos leaders denouncing each other, threatening to break away or jumping ship entirely. In theory, abolishing the PASO would make it difficult for JxC to resolve these differences, increasing the odds that it blows up entirely. By a bizarre coincidence it turns out that if Todos and their allies voted unanimously for abolition that it would come down to the six deputies of Schiaretti and Milei, three from each bloc, and both of whom would benefit greatly from the main opposition exploding.

But despite the theoretical math in reality it doesn't seem likely. While Massa and Fernández might lack popular support they still have enough institutions, organizations and deputies behind them to prevent the government from backing PASO abolition completely, and by all accounts they still want to fight for leadership even if it's probably a doomed cause. Plus Milei said he wouldn't give quorum, which means there aren't enough votes even if the government fell behind it unanimously.

The other proposal is to implement a single ballot of the sort most countries use for elections. For those who don't know, in Argentina currently you basically select a ballot from a stack with all the candidates of a given list automatically selected on the ballot. If you don't want to vote straight ticket then you have to literally grab scissors, cut out the candidates you don't want and tape/staple in the candidates from the other list. Naturally this favours the machine backed Peronists and has been a target of the opposition for quite some time. They managed to get a proposal through the deputies but it's currently held up by the Senate.

[Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy]

Unsurprisingly, having a president and vp who openly hated each other only a few years ago didn't lead to a long lasting harmonious relationship, as Alberto and Cristina had started yet another feud with each other, with both of them as well as Cristina's son Máximo Kirchner making several unsavory comments about the othe people in the other faction, with accusations of lack of preparedness, personalism and Not True Peronism(TM)

[PSOL]

Left Front holds anti-austerity rallies

The aim of the assemblies was to gather together the growing number of people who are turning toward socialist ideas — nearly 6 percent of the electorate voted for the Workers’ Left Front, a coalition of Trotskyist parties, last year — and to democratically decide on the way forward.

Assemblies took place from Tucumán in the north, to Neuquén in the Andean foothills, to Trelew in the far south. Participants debated how to respond to the inflationary crisis and what methods are needed to fight the austerity measures of the government.

In the capital city of Buenos Aires, over 1,500 people joined the assembly. Myriam Bregman, a congress member representing the Workers Left Front (FIT-U), delivered the closing remarks. She told workers they didn’t have to accept the “lesser evil” of bourgeois politics. Instead, she said, workers had the power to “put capitalism where it belongs: the dustbin of history.” Working-class self-organization in assemblies is an essential part of a revolutionary strategy to beat capitalism.