Argentina 2023 election

[jman123]

Next year Argentina votes to decide whether Alberto Fernández gets to serve another term or not. There has been some infighting in Alberto's ruling coalition with Cristina Kirchner his VP. There is talk that she may run for president against Alberto Fernández next year. How would that affect the outcome of the election? Javier Millei looks to run for President. Also, possible candidates in the main opposition group Juntos por el Cambio are Patricia Bullrich, Buenos Aires mayor Horacio Larreta and former president Mauricio Macri. How do you see this election play out?

[Ⓐnarchy in the ☭☭☭P!]

Ever since the legislative election the same pattern has repeated right up to now:

* The government shoots itself in the foot with infighting about economic policy
* The opposition shoots itself in the foot with infighting about Milei
* Milei holds huge live event in interior city, wins support from someone totally unexpected, hits new polling high

Most recently, the attempts by finance minister Martín Guzmán to control inflation have been attacked constantly by CFK in an apparent attempt to avoid responsibility for the sinking ship that is Frente de Todos. Every day the hardened Peronist core shrinks as inflation and poverty climb. The question isn't whether they lose but whether they lose united or divided, and whether they even seriously try to compete or whether they just pass blame around to mount a comeback in 2027.

The opposition, meanwhile, has yet to think of a strategy to handle Milei. Most recently they made the absolutely boneheaded decision to have a special meeting to write up an official draft rejecting cooperation with Milei (by name!). Considering Milei explicitly rejected joining the coalition from the start it comes off like "you can't fire me, I quit!" which isn't the kind of energy the presumptive winners should be projecting this far out. Even worse, just hours later Patricia Bullrich rejected the letter completely and was meeting with Milei on chummy terms again.

https://twitter.com/TTLiberal/status/1520212173083090947

The problem is that Juntos is of three minds when it comes to Milei. Larreta would rather just ignore Milei and let third parties attack him while empowering ideologically similar candidates like López Murphy and Tetaz to stem the bleeding, which is probably the most practical approach but doesn't work when the rest of the party wants to constantly talk about him. The hawks Bullrich and Macri constantly push to incorporate him, which benefits them but obviously hurts the alliance as a whole. Meanwhile the bulk of the Radicals and the Civic Coalition would rather explicitly attack Milei but so far they haven't found any silver bullet.

The end result is a completely incoherent set of attacks that do nothing except strengthen Milei's claims about the political caste. According to Juntos he's simultaneously a gadfly who can only do well enough to help Kirchner win again and a Bolsonaro-like unstoppable menace to the Republic. His values are the same as those of the opposition, but they're also crazy and have to be actively opposed. He's intransigent and would only hold up legislation but also if he did somehow win then he couldn't get anything done because JxC legislators wouldn't support him. One JxC Senator in what I can only assume was a moment of accidental honesty said Milei joining JxC would be like Messi joining Talleres

https://twitter.com/ferdejuana/status/1521666628315844609

Meanwhile Milei went to Mendoza to give a lecture on dollarization to yet another huge crowd.

https://twitter.com/ziberiaI/status/1518018478279639042

Then just like clockwork a prisoner endorsed Milei, only to be supplanted in absurdity when he won the support of a piquetero

https://twitter.com/davidurbani1/status/1517978717364051968

https://twitter.com/Mileinnials/status/1517155619890892801

Finally, the latest polls came out and once again Milei broke new ground. He started by getting his first poll putting him second in a three way race, then mere days later a poll leaked showing him in the lead against Macri and CFK. His ceiling seems to just keep rising, and he's already at the point where the argument that he's just splitting the opposition vote rings pretty hollow.

https://twitter.com/ElTrumpista/status/1520458408452927490

He also seems to have the superpower of setting the conversation at will. He raffled his salary and soon politicians from other parties and even a milk company () were sucked into a raffle frenzy. He proposed dollarization and had everyone arguing about it when previously it was unthinkable.  Then not long after Sergio Agüero coincidentally talked in favour of dollarization

At this point I have a hard time not seeing him as the favourite. Larreta may still be in the lead but ironically the "structure" that Milei lacks is in many ways a hindrance to dealing with him, like a bus with three drivers pulling in opposite directions. I thought Milei might have trouble putting together a party that can run in every province, particularly in the remote areas with low internet penetration. Then it came out that the Libertarian Party is already operational in 14 of 16 departments in Catamarca and that he has support even in rural Formosan native villages and my doubts were put to rest. Of course he could still have the problem of attracting crooks and opportunists, but with how incoherent the alternatives are I doubt attacks on Milei's candidates will hurt him much overall, plus his personalistic campaign makes it easy to remove troublesome affiliates.

Of course I'm very, very biased. Normally I can look at things objectively because I'm comparing crooks with other crooks but for once I definitely have a horse in the race. There are many conservatives out there who call themselves "libertarian" without any consistency but Milei isn't among them. Other than abortion (which is an ambiguous issue anyway) he takes the hardline position on gay marriage, drug legalization and a half dozen other issues that normal conservatives would never take. When he pushes for privatizing Aerolíneas Argentinas rather than simply selling it to the highest bidder he takes the Rothbardian purist approach of handing it directly to the workers. When he talks about dollarization he doesn't mean simply making the Dollar the new legal tender but implementing a system of competing currencies under a full reserve banking system. When someone points out that there's literally no country on Earth with that system rather than backtracking he points out that once every country had slavery too. Forget whether he's a libertarian, Milei might be the single most radical and consistent libertarian politician anywhere in the world.

So someone else should probably cover this to provide a more balanced perspective. Still, I'm doing my best to fight my biases and I'm hardly alone in thinking Milei could pull a Bolsonaro; increasingly I'm seeing more and  more takes from analysts (typically the Kirchnerist ones, interestingly) that see the same. He has plenty of time to shoot himself in the foot but I'm not convinced that the weaknesses he's shown thus far are really all that significant. Skeptics say that he could drop to irrelevancy by next year and they're right, but he could also surge from a Bolsonaro-esque surprise victory to a Bukele-esque stomping if JxC's attacks continue in the vein of "Milei is like Messi and we're like Talleres "

[PSOL]

So here’s another poll

https://mobile.twitter.com/AmericaElige/status/1520927738026237952?cxt=HHwWgIC9o...

The Libertarians in the legislative race could surpass the FdT in polling if the Federal Peronists and FIT keep eating up their margins.

Everything seems up in the air on what will happen next.

[Estrella]

Meanwhile the bulk of the Radicals and the Civic Coalition would rather explicitly attack Milei but so far they haven't found any silver bullet.

Kind of related to this: what is still keeping Civic Coalition alive? They don't have a power base of governors like UCR, or an identifiable ideological purpose like PRO, or a strong personality like they used to have when Lilita was relevant, so it's a little surprising they still have 11 deputies.

[Velasco]

Starting election threads more than one year before the elections take place is in bad taste, as well as contrary to the custom in this board. There is the Argentina general discussion thread, placed in the International General Discussion board

[Cortarán todas las flores, pero jamás detendrán la primavera]

Meanwhile the bulk of the Radicals and the Civic Coalition would rather explicitly attack Milei but so far they haven't found any silver bullet.

Kind of related to this: what is still keeping Civic Coalition alive? They don't have a power base of governors like UCR, or an identifiable ideological purpose like PRO, or a strong personality like they used to have when Lilita was relevant, so it's a little surprising they still have 11 deputies.

I'd say it's being under the umbrella of Juntos por el Cambio that keeps them alive. Had it not been for the alliance's creation in 2015, it's posible the party would have languished and drifted aimlesssly like the similar GEN or PS; instead the coalition shields the CC from irrelevance by giving them a seat at the decision table and securing them some legislative representation.

They've also certainly helped themselves by being a small but organized and internally drama-free bunch (meaning there's no risk of the party breaking up or disbanding), always loyal to the alliance (which is more than can be said about the UCR), and generally well liked by their partners, "lilitos" like Maxi Ferraro or Juan Manuel López strike as pretty reasonable and responsible people. They do lack any figures that could attract votes, but the use of the closed list system means the CC doesn't have to compete for their seats, just stick closely to the people who draw those lists, something they've been pretty good at. They'be also been lucky to find a generous ally in Rodriguez Larreta, who always reserves them some good spots in the lists of CABA and Buenos Aires (8 of those 11 deputies come from these two districts).

[Libertas Vel Mors]

Starting election threads more than one year before the elections take place is in bad taste, as well as contrary to the custom in this board. There is the Argentina general discussion thread, placed in the International General Discussion board

 

[Ⓐnarchy in the ☭☭☭P!]

Starting election threads more than one year before the elections take place is in bad taste, as well as contrary to the custom in this board. There is the Argentina general discussion thread, placed in the International General Discussion board

This might be the custom but it's hardly a universal standard. The Brazilian election thread was started over a year in advance after all.

If the mods disagree they could always merge the threads but until then I feel like election related news should go here and anything else should go in the "general discussion" thread.

Anyway, a new poll came out measuring where each of the top 4 opposition candidates (Macri, Larreta, Bullrich and Milei) are most positively viewed and the results were very interesting

https://twitter.com/ElTrumpista/status/1527689057182044161

Larreta leads in 6 provinces representing over half of the population, Milei leads in 14 provinces representing around a third of the population and Bullrich is ahead in 3 provinces representing about a fifth of the population (poor Macri doesn't lead anywhere).

The provinces where all the major figures are most positively viewed also gives some interesting insight into the nature of their support. For the most part approval tracks pretty well with past election results: CFK and the President both have the most support from the Peronist stronghold of Santiago del Estero, the best province of the hawks Macri and Bullrich is the anti-Peronist stronghold of Córdoba and Larreta is strongest in CABA. The only outlier is Milei, whose best province is Salta () and whose support seems to cut across Peronist and anti-Peronist lines.

[Libertas Vel Mors]

Starting election threads more than one year before the elections take place is in bad taste, as well as contrary to the custom in this board. There is the Argentina general discussion thread, placed in the International General Discussion board

This might be the custom but it's hardly a universal standard. The Brazilian election thread was started over a year in advance after all.

If the mods disagree they could always merge the threads but until then I feel like election related news should go here and anything else should go in the "general discussion" thread.

Anyway, a new poll came out measuring where each of the top 4 opposition candidates (Macri, Larreta, Bullrich and Milei) are most positively viewed and the results were very interesting

https://twitter.com/ElTrumpista/status/1527689057182044161

Larreta leads in 6 provinces representing over half of the population, Milei leads in 14 provinces representing around a third of the population and Bullrich is ahead in 3 provinces representing about a fifth of the population (poor Macri doesn't lead anywhere).

The provinces where all the major figures are most positively viewed also gives some interesting insight into the nature of their support. For the most part approval tracks pretty well with past election results: CFK and the President both have the most support from the Peronist stronghold of Santiago del Estero, the best province of the hawks Macri and Bullrich is the anti-Peronist stronghold of Córdoba and Larreta is strongest in CABA. The only outlier is Milei, whose best province is Salta () and whose support seems to cut across Peronist and anti-Peronist lines.

What do you attribute Macri's support in Peronist areas to?

[Estrella]

Starting election threads more than one year before the elections take place is in bad taste, as well as contrary to the custom in this board. There is the Argentina general discussion thread, placed in the International General Discussion board

This might be the custom but it's hardly a universal standard. The Brazilian election thread was started over a year in advance after all.

If the mods disagree they could always merge the threads but until then I feel like election related news should go here and anything else should go in the "general discussion" thread.

Anyway, a new poll came out measuring where each of the top 4 opposition candidates (Macri, Larreta, Bullrich and Milei) are most positively viewed and the results were very interesting

Larreta leads in 6 provinces representing over half of the population, Milei leads in 14 provinces representing around a third of the population and Bullrich is ahead in 3 provinces representing about a fifth of the population (poor Macri doesn't lead anywhere).

The provinces where all the major figures are most positively viewed also gives some interesting insight into the nature of their support. For the most part approval tracks pretty well with past election results: CFK and the President both have the most support from the Peronist stronghold of Santiago del Estero, the best province of the hawks Macri and Bullrich is the anti-Peronist stronghold of Córdoba and Larreta is strongest in CABA. The only outlier is Milei, whose best province is Salta () and whose support seems to cut across Peronist and anti-Peronist lines.

What do you attribute Macri's support in Peronist areas to?

It probably should be noted that Argentine polls tend to be scams worthless crap of dubious quality, especially these bizarre scenario ones - obviously Larreta, Macri and Bullrich aren't all going to run at once. I would ignore all polls made before we know who actually runs. Even close to an election, pollsters get it wrong very often - see Macri's unexpected disastrous result in 2019 PASO and his unexpected recovery in the general election. I wouldn't overthink this.

[LAKISYLVANIA]

Libertarian-fascist coalition almost biggest.

Starting election threads more than one year before the elections take place is in bad taste, as well as contrary to the custom in this board. There is the Argentina general discussion thread, placed in the International General Discussion board

lol.

What

We literally have a board called "2024 U.S. Presidential Election"

[Ⓐnarchy in the ☭☭☭P!]

At the beginning of the month things seemed to have somewhat stabilized politically.

Todos was plagued by internal conflict but CFK and Alberto Fernández seemed to be holding onto the Peronist core. Juntos sat on a solid lead while Milei's unstoppable rise was stopped when he went on a mission to step on every rake relating to hardcore libertarian issues like organ markets, followed by the eruption of an internal conflict within LLA that would take up this entire post if I covered it (it'll get its own post later).

https://twitter.com/Datoworld/status/1548457101965422592

Then everything changed when Batakis was appointed and the fall of the peso went into overdrive. For the sake of comparison, it took 7 months for the value of the Blue Dollar to go from 200 to 300 pesos but it hit 340 pesos in three days.

Probably the most immediate significant result of this politically was the declaration of the picketer leader Juan Grabois that he was considering defecting from the ruling coalition for its failures. He went on to predict looting and to promise blood in the streets, suggesting that the cunning strategy of paying off would-be rioters might be running out and that even the previously rock solid 30% of hardcore Peronists and Kirchnerists are eroding from the waves of chaos and economic hardship.

https://twitter.com/somoscorta/status/1549945295659831298

There was already next to no chance of the President or VP making a comeback in 2023 but there was at least a chance that they could manage to force a somewhat competitive second round like Macri did in 2019. Now that seems less likely than either an overwhelming first round Juntos victory or getting knocked to third by Milei.

JxC's internal conflicts have somewhat abated in the face of the chaos as Macri gave something vaguely approaching an endorsement to Larreta, provoking some controversy among some of the hawks but solidifying the latter as the heir apparent of the opposition. Larreta's strategy seems to be simple: sit back quietly and let the government self destruct while buying off anyone and everyone to create a gigantic Moderate Hero coalition against the populists on the left and right. He has no shortage of resources both as the governor of the wealthiest city in Argentina and as the default choice of the overwhelming majority of the Argentine power elite. So far it seems to be working, though keeping together a coalition that's supposed to reach so far across the left-right spectrum (without the personalistic ideological glue of Peronism) could ultimately cause problems down the line.

It probably should be noted that Argentine polls tend to be scams worthless crap of dubious quality, especially these bizarre scenario ones - obviously Larreta, Macri and Bullrich aren't all going to run at once. I would ignore all polls made before we know who actually runs. Even close to an election, pollsters get it wrong very often - see Macri's unexpected disastrous result in 2019 PASO and his unexpected recovery in the general election. I wouldn't overthink this.

I'll grant that the 2019 polling was terrible and there's pretty wide variance in results and quality between pollsters but last year they did a pretty good job all things considered. If multiple polls show a similar tendency then its worth taking into consideration.

What do you attribute Milei's support in Peronist areas to?

It helps that he defines himself as more anti-government and even anti-Radical than anti-Peronist, which prevents him from being pigeonholed as an anti-Peronist like most opposition candidates. He also seems to be consciously campaigning as a return to Menemism: he's surrounding himself with his former advisors (Cavallo) and family (Martin Menem), he supposedly won his deathbed endorsement and he's even started growing Menemesque voluminous sideburns. Peronists don't have to abandon their entire identity to join him as they would with someone like Macri.

Another factor is simple demography. Ten years ago the kids were all Kirchnerists and the Peronists lowered the voting age to take advantage. The economic crisis and the lockdowns alienated Zoomers from the government, which Espert and later Milei were able to take advantage of. It helps that he's basically a walking meme generator:

https://twitter.com/Baarditoo/status/1457029584726093825

On that note, it also helps that the internet is far more widespread than it used to be. Before, to create a base of support in the interior took connections and organization on a level that even PRO lacked before their alliance with the UCR. But with the internet Milei's ideas are able to reach far beyond Buenos Aires and his supporters are able to organize without the typical huge, bureaucratic and centralized political machines of the other parties.

The socioeconomic changes caused by the crisis also indirectly helped Milei. His main base of support comes from the self employed and people working off the books, a class that's rapidly grown both in the form of upper middle class software developers and lower middle class bicycle delivery guys. Even traditional bases of Peronist support like the unionized workers are getting an increasingly raw deal with their pay being dragged down by the collapsing peso, making them open to Milei's laser focus on stopping inflation.

and of course there's the difference in style between Macri and Milei. The former's moderate tone and urbanity produces crowds dominated by wealthy boomers  while the latter's bombastic tone leads to a younger, poorer and more raucous audience that bears more resemblance to a Kirchnerist rally or even the stands of a football game than of a typical opposition rally. There's a certain personality type that simply prefers someone who takes a hardline position and fights for it passionately over someone that compromises, going from disappointment in one extreme to taking solace in the opposite.

[Cortarán todas las flores, pero jamás detendrán la primavera]

So far it seems to be working, though keeping together a coalition that's supposed to include both Macri and Grabois could ultimately cause problems down the line.

Huh? Larreta doesn't want a coalition with Grabois (or viceversa), where you got that from?

[Ⓐnarchy in the ☭☭☭P!]

So far it seems to be working, though keeping together a coalition that's supposed to include both Macri and Grabois could ultimately cause problems down the line.

Huh? Larreta doesn't want a coalition with Grabois (or viceversa), where you got that from?

Grabois has said he'd prefer Larreta over anyone else at the moment but you're right, Larreta hasn't reciprocated (though he does have ties with Grabois). I'll make an edit.

Still, the limits of who Larreta is willing to accept are pretty much undefined and seem to stretch pretty far both left and right. The gulf between Carrió, Macri, Morales, López Murphy and Pichetto is already wide enough to make fulfilling all of their stated goals basically impossible even with an overwhelming majority, never mind whoever else would be vacuumed up by a "unite everyone that isn't with Kirchner into the opposition" strategy.

To be clear Larreta is still very clearly the overwhelming favourite for the Presidency right now and similar issues didn't stop Macri from winning in 2015 but they did effectively hobble his administration afterwards and Macri had a much more clearly defined agenda than Larreta does.

[Cortarán todas las flores, pero jamás detendrán la primavera]

Grabois has said he'd prefer Larreta over anyone else at the moment but you're right, Larreta hasn't reciprocated (though he does have ties with Grabois). I'll make an edit.

I think you misundertood Grabois there, he just said he prefered Larreta over Macri, which is indicative of nothing and hardly surprising, anyone on the left will tell you he's the lesser evil of the two.

And there's nothing special or noteworthy in the City giving money to that or any other social organization, all governents at all levels do it, specially at times like these when, as you know, only generous welfare spending can mantain social peace. More importantly though, Larreta has publicly supported Cristina's proposal to remove social organizations as the intermediaries in welfare distribution, if he had any interest in joining forces with Grabois or any other social leader he wouldn't endorse a plan that would take away much of their power.

Plus it would be pretty asinine to ally with someone as annoyin and toxic as Grabois, whom even kirchnerists are fed up with by now.

[PSOL]

Can someone explain to me why the main Piquetero leader, of a revolutionary Maoist party no less, is apart of FdT? More specifically what they get out of that arrangement, because they are surprisingly autonomous in the coalition moreso than other parties.

Polls may be junk in Argentina, but they caught the noticeable bump in support for FIT, and seeing them grow sizably is pretty cool for what it’s worth.

[Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy]

Can someone explain to me why the main Piquetero leader, of a revolutionary Maoist party no less, is apart of FdT? More specifically what they get out of that arrangement, because they are surprisingly autonomous in the coalition moreso than other parties.

Polls may be junk in Argentina, but they caught the noticeable bump in support for FIT, and seeing them grow sizably is pretty cool for what it’s worth.

Basically, any non-Trotskyist communist/hard-left socialist party is in Todos, but most of them haven't been even mildly relevant in the 21st century

The CCC is the only semi-notable exception, they were solidly in the anti -kirchnerista camp in the  late 200s and into the early 2010s and they even participated in the 2008 agrarian strike

But staying relevant as any left-of-center independent political force in Argentina has been pretty much impossible in the last 5 or so years, as I've mentioned a few times already in this thread. And the old piquetero movement is pretty much dead in the water, as their leaders like Raul Castells and Luis D'Elía vanished, and it got replaced with movements that are very closely aligned with the kirchneristas [most notably the Movimiento Evita and formerly the infamous Tupac Amaru], the FIT or to a lesser degree the mainline "gordos" labor unions.

Additionally, it seems that the CCC got tired of working on its own and no one really caring much about them (tbh I doubt most people would've even remembered their existence for all of their last decade, until the recent scandal)

This all led, together with the promise of a couple of seats in congress and with the new revelations presumably a few bags of cash, led the PCR/CCC to officially join Todos, as did quite a few other Independent center left and left wing figures, as you can't be a main candidate for FIT unoess you align with their very specific brand of socialism and its historical background (after all they're an alliance of half a dozen trotskist-morenista parties)

Also calling Alderete the "main piquetero leader" is pretty generous to say the least

[Estrella]

The Minister of Economy, Sergio Massa, will announce in the next few days the first provisions of his administration to implement the axes he announced after taking office. The measures would be mainly focused on the reduction of public spending, which he had anticipated when he gave his inauguration speech.

Among other things, he's going to freeze public sector wages, introduce spending caps for each ministry, increase utility payments for those who use more (e.g. more than 400 kWh of electricity per month) and mandate large companies to pay 15-25% of taxes on last year's income in advance.

These measures are fairly minor compared to the the 2001/2018 rounds of austerity, but I still wonder how long he's got until he's fired.

[Ⓐnarchy in the ☭☭☭P!]

Completely out of nowhere Argentine prosecutors flipped the table by moving to press charges against Cristina Kirchner that would leave her imprisoned for 12 years and disqualified from political office. She's accused of, among other things,  embezzling over a billion US dollars of public money in various sordid schemes.

Just as a side note, could someone explain what the deal is with Crónica? The other networks seem to generally have pretty obvious bends: LN is run by Macrista hacks, C5N is run by Kirchnerist hacks, A24 is run by Massista hacks and so on. But Crónica is ostensibly a Kirchnerist channel yet one of their top anchors is basically Bald Shapiro

[Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy]

Completely out of nowhere Argentine prosecutors flipped the table by moving to press charges against Cristina Kirchner that would leave her imprisoned for 12 years and disqualified from political office. She's accused of, among other things,  embezzling over a billion US dollars of public money in various sordid schemes.

Just as a side note, could someone explain what the deal is with Crónica? The other networks seem to generally have pretty obvious bends: LN is run by Macrista hacks, C5N is run by Kirchnerist hacks, A24 is run by Massista hacks and so on. But Crónica is ostensibly a Kirchnerist channel yet one of their top anchors is basically Bald Shapiro

Crónica has necer had a consistent line, as they're more interested in being the king of their own kind of yellow/sensationalistic journalism than doing anything serious, much like their counterparts, the print Diario popular (or El Popu) and Canal26 (which straight out buys the whole international news rail  section from some Spanish media group). These two channels have some weird personalities, like Anabella Ascar, the former wife of Cronica's head honcho who hosted the channel's most famous show, some kind of very sympathetic freak show that aired on a supposed 24hours news channel, and Cúneo, the weird catholic nationalist with his own microparty who has a whole show on the generally apolitical Canal 26
Crónica is more well known for their guests physically fighting each other, their infamous extremely informal Placas Rojas which will tell you about a snowfall in some random town or someone stealing a pizza as if the world was about to end (while using 4 puns at the same time) or their "XX days until spring" fanfare that they show as if it was breaking news, and filming live suicides (with their own giant sized white Impact font titles on top of it saying "EN INSTATNTES SE PEGA EL BALAZO" [In a few moments he'll shoot himself] than for anyone there being a well known journalist  (Anabella is probably the news channel's only widely known presenter)

[Ⓐnarchy in the ☭☭☭P!]

It seems like Cristina isn't going to be prevented from running in 2023, but that's looking less and less likely to matter by the day.

The Vice-President gave a hour long speech where she basically said "okay so I stole here and there but so does everyone! Why isn't anyone going after Macri or Néstor?", probably not a winning message in the middle of an economic crisis where half the population is in poverty. She then threatened that her supporters would rise up and cause chaos in the streets.

The resulting protesters were the absolute bare bones of Kirchnerism, with such compelling arguments as "if Cristina is a thief then we're her accomplices!"

https://twitter.com/therealbuni/status/1561894731407302658

The "mass of the people" summoned by Kirchner turned out to not have quite as much mass as it used to.

https://twitter.com/therealbuni/status/1562161100061294595

[Estrella]

https://twitter.com/CFKArgentina/status/1562515585715830786

Look at this obituary in La Nación from May 2021. "Pepín" Rodríguez Simón, a fugitive from justice in Uruguay in the case of Macri's judicial board, sends his condolences for the death of the brother of the wife of prosecutor Luciani. Everything is falling into place.

[Edu]

lol seriously, the parallels with the kirchnerists all accusing the judiciary and opposition of political persecution while the kirchnerists supporters saying that they will set the country on fire if Cristina is convicted and the Trump thing with the fed raid are almost the same things.

Bunch of cultists worshipping their dear leader who can do no wrong.

[Mike88]

The "mass of the people" summoned by Kirchner turned out to not have quite as much mass as it used to.
https://twitter.com/therealbuni/status/1562161100061294595

Cristina thinks she's Eva Perón 2.0. This is just ridiculous (however, it's not surprising to be honest)

[Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy]

Alberto: “Hasta ahora, Nisman se suicidó, yo espero que no haga algo así Luciani” ("As far as we know, Nisman killed himself, I hope Luciani doesn't do anything like that")

Just as classy as always, the guy just loves sticking his foot in his mouth