Ukraine foreign minister wants other countries to criminalize use of the letter 'Z'

[GregTheGreat657]

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/z-symbol-ukraine-war-putin-dmytro-kuleba-b991125.html

[Santander]

Volodymyr (inks)elenskyy

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Appius Claudius Caecus of Ancient Rome didn't like Z either, so he got rid of it.

[It’s so Joever]

Did you not read the full article, the symbol z, not the letter lmao.

Regardless this is lolworthy.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

There are always lots of deranged takes on all sides in a pitched interstate war. I see this as the stupid man's equivalent of the reports of Ukrainian soldiers abusing Russian POWs. What Kuleba has to say about the letter Z doesn't affect the big-picture right and wrong of this war, but it should be addressed on its own for the ridiculous and frivolous demand that it is.

[urutzizu]

https://www.twitter.com/BMI_Bund/status/1508443796802965504

Federal Ministry of the Interior: The Russian war of aggression against the #Ukraine is a criminal offense. Anyone who publicly approves of this war of aggression may be liable for prosecution. This also applies to showing the " #Z " symbol. Federal security services are watching the use of the symbol.

It is being banned as a symbol (as noted above, obviously, not as a letter) to support the war of aggression under § 140 StGB by many Federal States as well. Means up to three years in jail. And of course it is a reasonable thing to do, because any form of showing support for an illegal war of aggression that is in effect waged not just against Ukraine but against Europe as a whole, amounts to sedition and is also literally expressing support for a crime. I am very happy with the direction this country has gone in the last 30 days.

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Are they going to ban Garfield?

[Person Man]

I mean, it is a hate symbol at this point, but hate speech is speech.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Are they going to ban Garfield?

I knew Garfield was in cahoots with Putin! I just knew it!

[CumbrianLefty]

Yeah, the kindest thing I can say is that it sort of misses the wood for the trees.

[Хahar 🤔]

https://www.twitter.com/BMI_Bund/status/1508443796802965504

Federal Ministry of the Interior: The Russian war of aggression against the #Ukraine is a criminal offense. Anyone who publicly approves of this war of aggression may be liable for prosecution. This also applies to showing the " #Z " symbol. Federal security services are watching the use of the symbol.

It is being banned as a symbol (as noted above, obviously, not as a letter) to support the war of aggression under § 140 StGB by many Federal States as well. Means up to three years in jail. And of course it is a reasonable thing to do, because any form of showing support for an illegal war of aggression that is in effect waged not just against Ukraine but against Europe as a whole, amounts to sedition and is also literally expressing support for a crime. I am very happy with the direction this country has gone in the last 30 days.

The idea that one can commit sedition against the abstract concept of "Europe" is deeply disturbing. Last I checked, Germany was not at war.

[Middle-aged Europe]

The idea that one can commit sedition against the abstract concept of "Europe" is deeply disturbing. Last I checked, Germany was not at war.

A technicality at best, at this point. Russia has carried out extrajudicial killings and God knows what else on our territory.

Strictly speaking, "sedition against Europe" isn't illegal though, that was just urutzizu's personal opinion. Section 140 of the German Criminal Code however criminalizes certain actvities "causing a disturbance of the public peace". Specifically, Section 140 outlaws disturbing the public peace by expressing public approval of those crimes that are referred to in Section 126, subsection 1 of the Criminal Code. The crimes listed under Section 126 include "... genocide (section 6 of the Code of Crimes against International Law) or a crime against humanity (section 7 of the Code of Crimes against International Law) or a war crime (section 8, 9, 10, 11 or 12 of the Code of Crimes against International Law) ..."

The acts of disturbing the public peace in this specific case would be the increasing number of instances where cars of recently arrived Ukrainian refugess have been painted with big white friendly "Z" symbols (presumably by Russians or Putin sympathizers), among other things.

[Хahar 🤔]

The idea that one can commit sedition against the abstract concept of "Europe" is deeply disturbing. Last I checked, Germany was not at war.

A technicality at best, at this point. Russia has carried out extrajudicial killings and God knows what else on our territory.

Strictly speaking, "sedition against Europe" isn't illegal though, that was just urutzizu's personal opinion. Section 140 of the German Criminal Code however criminalizes certain actvities "causing a disturbance of the public peace". Specifically, Section 140 outlaws disturbing the public peace by expressing public approval of those crimes that are referred to in Section 126, subsection 1 of the Criminal Code. The crimes listed under Section 126 include "... genocide (section 6 of the Code of Crimes against International Law) or a crime against humanity (section 7 of the Code of Crimes against International Law) or a war crime (section 8, 9, 10, 11 or 12 of the Code of Crimes against International Law) ..."

The acts of disturbing the public peace in this specific case would be the increasing number of instances where cars of recently arrived Ukrainian refugess have been painted with big white friendly "Z" symbols (presumably by Russians or Putin sympathizers), among other things.

It is most certainly not just a technicality! When it comes to civil liberties, I cannot think of anything more important than the distinction between war and not-war. I spent my whole childhood going through this with the "War on Terror". Radical Islamic terrorists carried out extrajudicial killings and God knows what else on my country's territory. That did not mean that it would have been acceptable to limit freedom of speech. The suspension of civil liberties is an awful thing not to be embarked upon lightly, but it may be justifiable in cases of war. It is absolutely not justifiable in cases that are basically war, because the government can always come up with such a situation and then the are no civil liberties left.

In any case, yes, it is urutzizu's personal opinion that I find disturbing here. I am uncomfortable with the notion of sedition as a crime, as should anyone who values freedom of speech and is familiar with the way that sedition laws have been used around the world, but its definition has always been quite clear: it is an offense against the state. If the expansive definition of sedition offered here (as an offense not necessarily against the state but potentially simply against a concept) has any sort of support among the German public, then that is, again, deeply disturbing.

[Middle-aged Europe]

The idea that one can commit sedition against the abstract concept of "Europe" is deeply disturbing. Last I checked, Germany was not at war.

A technicality at best, at this point. Russia has carried out extrajudicial killings and God knows what else on our territory.

Strictly speaking, "sedition against Europe" isn't illegal though, that was just urutzizu's personal opinion. Section 140 of the German Criminal Code however criminalizes certain actvities "causing a disturbance of the public peace". Specifically, Section 140 outlaws disturbing the public peace by expressing public approval of those crimes that are referred to in Section 126, subsection 1 of the Criminal Code. The crimes listed under Section 126 include "... genocide (section 6 of the Code of Crimes against International Law) or a crime against humanity (section 7 of the Code of Crimes against International Law) or a war crime (section 8, 9, 10, 11 or 12 of the Code of Crimes against International Law) ..."

The acts of disturbing the public peace in this specific case would be the increasing number of instances where cars of recently arrived Ukrainian refugess have been painted with big white friendly "Z" symbols (presumably by Russians or Putin sympathizers), among other things.

It is most certainly not just a technicality! When it comes to civil liberties, I cannot think of anything more important than the distinction between war and not-war. I spent my whole childhood going through this with the "War on Terror". Radical Islamic terrorists carried out extrajudicial killings and God knows what else on my country's territory. That did not mean that it would have been acceptable to limit freedom of speech. The suspension of civil liberties is an awful thing not to be embarked upon lightly, but it may be justifiable in cases of war. It is absolutely not justifiable in cases that are basically war, because the government can always come up with such a situation and then the are no civil liberties left.

In any case, yes, it is urutzizu's personal opinion that I find disturbing here. I am uncomfortable with the notion of sedition as a crime, as should anyone who values freedom of speech and is familiar with the way that sedition laws have been used around the world, but its definition has always been quite clear: it is an offense against the state. If the expansive definition of sedition offered here (as an offense not necessarily against the state but potentially simply against a concept) has any sort of support among the German public, then that is, again, deeply disturbing.

Be it as it may, it's the law of the land. Nobody has proposed any new rules, it's an enforcement of existing ones that would probably be upheld by the courts as constitutional under Article 5, section 2 of the Basic Law.

[DINGO Joe]

Are they going to ban Garfield?

I'm actually okay with that.

[Lechasseur]

lmao

"let's criminalize a letter of the alphabet!"

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

lmao

"let's criminalize a letter of the alphabet!"

Ukraine foreign minister: criminalize the letter Z
Me: I sleep *zzzzzzzzzzzzz*

[Anzeigenhauptmeister]

In Germany, Ζ has become the new 卐

https://twitter.com/GermanyinUSA/status/1508552762296082432

https://twitter.com/StarboyHK/status/1507797270393094144

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1507885335174430726

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In Germany, Ζ has become the new 卐

https://twitter.com/GermanyinUSA/status/1508552762296082432

https://twitter.com/StarboyHK/status/1507797270393094144

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1507885335174430726

A lot of virtue signaling from a country paying Russia $670 million a day for fossil fuels.

[Anzeigenhauptmeister]

lmao

"let's criminalize a letter of the alphabet!"

Ukraine foreign minister: criminalize the letter Z
Me: I sleep *zzzzzzzzzzzzz*

https://twitter.com/JimmyBoyBack/status/1508891749187526664

https://twitter.com/kiranopal_/status/1508932782805901322

[CumbrianLefty]

"Look up Operation Gladio" - sounds totally normal and not a fringe conspiracist in any way.

[Klobmentum Mutilated Herself]