How soon will there be another president elected with no prior government/military experience?
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Shaula🏳️‍⚧️
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« on: March 12, 2022, 11:24:14 PM »

Trump was famously the first president elected with no prior government/military experience. How soon will another become president?
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« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2022, 12:30:06 AM »

It seems like in the last half century it has become increasingly common for people with entertainment backgrounds to win in politics - aside from Trump, other examples include Ronald Reagan, Jesse Ventura, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, etc. While it may not be easy to predict when the next such individual will emerge, it should certainly not come as a surprise when that does indeed happen.

(On another note, remember that in the movie Back to the Future, when the ML traveled from 1985 to 1955 and told the SML back in 1955 that Ronald Reagan was the president in 1985, the SML from 1955 ridiculed the idea of an actor becoming president.)
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« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2022, 06:55:39 AM »

It seems like in the last half century it has become increasingly common for people with entertainment backgrounds to win in politics - aside from Trump, other examples include Ronald Reagan, Jesse Ventura, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, etc. While it may not be easy to predict when the next such individual will emerge, it should certainly not come as a surprise when that does indeed happen.

(On another note, remember that in the movie Back to the Future, when the ML traveled from 1985 to 1955 and told the SML back in 1955 that Ronald Reagan was the president in 1985, the SML from 1955 ridiculed the idea of an actor becoming president.)
The next one could be some youtuber or tiktok star once Gen Z/Alpha get into their 30s/40s
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« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2022, 11:38:58 PM »

Trump being a complete disaster will probably sour people on the idea for quite some time.
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« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2022, 01:25:22 PM »

The election of outsiders in the US correlates with waves of discontent with the establishment (collapse of the post-war New Dealer consensus by Reagan's time, collapse of the California GOP by Schwarzenegger's time, collapse of the neoliberal end of history by Trump's time), which IMO has been receding since about 2019 (The "TrUmP iS dEsTroYiNg OuR dEmOcRaCy which totally existed in the first place", "dO yOu WaNt ChInA tO wIn" rally-around-the-flag).
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« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2023, 05:20:55 PM »

Lee Iacocca once said of people who wanted him to run for President that business executives act too much like dictators to be suited to a Presidency in which the President cannot fire members of Congress, federal judges, or generals. Donald Trump showed how that works, and it did not work well. In theory a CEO can fire a cook at the company cafeteria, but the President cannot fire a letter carrier.   
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« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2023, 03:26:11 PM »

Republicans tend to nominate a businessman who never held elected office every now and then, so it will probably happen again.  Willkie was the last nominee in 1940 (he did serve in the military, but only during WWI so it's not like he was running as a famous general or something), Hoover was the last winner in 1928. 
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« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2023, 02:09:46 PM »

The next one could be some youtuber or tiktok star once Gen Z/Alpha get into their 30s/40s

Now this is a nightmarish vision of the future
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« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2023, 08:25:22 PM »

Given what we saw under the Trump presidency. Either never again or sometime in the 2100s.
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« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2023, 07:45:29 PM »

Given what we saw under the Trump presidency. Either never again or sometime in the 2100s.

PRECISELY!
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« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2023, 11:32:31 AM »

The next one could be some youtuber or tiktok star once Gen Z/Alpha get into their 30s/40s

"Giving $100k to anyone who will vote for me" by Mr. Beast
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« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2023, 11:14:07 AM »

There's really no reason to think that something that happened a single time in over 200 years is likely to happen a second time
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« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2023, 01:08:57 PM »

There's really no reason to think that something that happened a single time in over 200 years is likely to happen a second time

Ehhhh... I mean Hoover was a businessman who never held elected office or served in the military, so he basically counts.

Willkie was nominated without having ever held elected office.  He was a junior officer for 2 years during WWI and left the army when the war ended, so nothing like Grant/Ike/Washington, etc. on that front.

Lincoln had only ever been elected to the state legislature.
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« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2023, 01:57:59 PM »

There's really no reason to think that something that happened a single time in over 200 years is likely to happen a second time

Ehhhh... I mean Hoover was a businessman who never held elected office or served in the military, so he basically counts.

Willkie was nominated without having ever held elected office.  He was a junior officer for 2 years during WWI and left the army when the war ended, so nothing like Grant/Ike/Washington, etc. on that front.

Lincoln had only ever been elected to the state legislature.
Hoover is the closest but he was a Cabinet secretary, OP did not specify elected, just government.

Lincoln served a term in Congress
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« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2023, 11:06:47 AM »

There's really no reason to think that something that happened a single time in over 200 years is likely to happen a second time

Ehhhh... I mean Hoover was a businessman who never held elected office or served in the military, so he basically counts.

Willkie was nominated without having ever held elected office.  He was a junior officer for 2 years during WWI and left the army when the war ended, so nothing like Grant/Ike/Washington, etc. on that front.

Lincoln had only ever been elected to the state legislature.
Hoover is the closest but he was a Cabinet secretary, OP did not specify elected, just government.

Lincoln served a term in Congress

Cabinet experience is political experience.

Being involved in the economy as a businessman or executive is extremely different from politics as practiced at the top level. Business owners can fire anyone incompetent or working at cross-purposes. Presidents can't. There were plenty of Democratic elected officials whom Donald Trump held in contempt, and so it is with many Republican pols that President Biden faces. In some countries someone like Matt Gaetz or Marjorie Taylor-Greene would have suspicious deaths.

Government cannot operate like a business. If a part of the government can be run like a business than maybe we have good cause to question why it is not part of the public sector. Natural monopolies, maybe? Government owning the productive sectors of the economy is Marxist socialism. We cannot run the judiciary, the police, or the armed forces for profit.   
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