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« on: March 11, 2022, 12:48:34 PM »
« edited: March 11, 2022, 01:17:41 PM by ERM64man »

Are there any countries like this?
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« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2022, 12:51:11 PM »

Maybe Ireland?
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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2022, 01:03:54 PM »

Is it popular it the Western world or not?
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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2022, 01:09:40 PM »

Among white people? Or the population as a whole?

For the latter, it'll have a strong correlation with the size of the Muslim population, so countries like the UK, Sweden and France will be up there.
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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2022, 01:17:22 PM »

Among white people? Or the population as a whole?

For the latter, it'll have a strong correlation with the size of the Muslim population, so countries like the UK, Sweden and France will be up there.
I mean with white people.
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« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2022, 01:30:18 PM »

Anecdotally it's quite popular in Scotland (which is pretty f-n white), not simply amongst the young. There's been a lot of moves, some successful to divest pension funds from Israeli financial investments.
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« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2022, 01:40:42 PM »

Anecdotally it's quite popular in Scotland (which is pretty f-n white), not simply amongst the young. There's been a lot of moves, some successful to divest pension funds from Israeli financial investments.
Any other countries? Is the US the only Western country where the BDS movement isn't popular with white people?
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« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2022, 01:48:31 PM »

Anecdotally it's quite popular in Scotland (which is pretty f-n white), not simply amongst the young. There's been a lot of moves, some successful to divest pension funds from Israeli financial investments.
Any other countries? Is the US the only Western country where the BDS movement isn't popular with white people?

I mean, the US is the only Western country where universal healthcare isn't popular with white people. I don't think something as nebulous as support for BDS can be mapped so easily.
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« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2022, 01:50:13 PM »

How popular is BDS in Canada, Australia, white people in the Nordic countries, and New Zealand?
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« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2022, 04:20:21 PM »

I seriously doubt there is a single country where a majority of young people have any opinion at all about BDS (other than maybe Israel).
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« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2022, 05:39:25 PM »

How popular is BDS in Canada, Australia, white people in the Nordic countries, and New Zealand?
Canada is the same as the USA, where any criticism of the Israeli government is often looked at as automatically anti-semetic.
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« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2022, 07:24:42 PM »

How popular is BDS in Canada, Australia, white people in the Nordic countries, and New Zealand?
Canada is the same as the USA, where any criticism of the Israeli government is often looked at as automatically anti-semetic.

Considering those people are almost universally happy to buy goods made in places like China and India where there are actual genocides and ethnic cleansing of Muslims, you don't have to scratch very deep to find an antisemite.
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« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2022, 05:15:39 AM »

Among white people? Or the population as a whole?

For the latter, it'll have a strong correlation with the size of the Muslim population, so countries like the UK, Sweden and France will be up there.

No, support is not limited to Muslims and that implication is frankly pretty crass.
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« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2022, 09:32:36 AM »

I know that Eastern Europe is more traditionally more pro Palestine and probably more anti semitic than Western Europeans but I doubt that it means that BDS is popular at all
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« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2022, 10:39:33 AM »

Give America another 20 years for the zoomers to take over.  BDS and pro-Palestine is extremely popular among kids who aren't old enough to remember the intifadas.
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« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2022, 11:28:50 AM »

What Lief said is the correct take (pretty much no one is aware of what BDS is for the most part). However there are plenty of western countries where broadly pro-Palestinian sentiment is popular with white people.

Off the top of my head some of the biggest candidates would include Ireland, Scotland or much of Spain (particularly Catalonia/Basque Country). The "secessionist/secessionist-aspirational" link is clear to me it seems.
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« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2022, 04:10:00 PM »
« Edited: March 13, 2022, 04:18:50 PM by PSOL »

The BDS movement and the opposition to Israeli imperialism in overwhelmingly "white" countries, as is the same in any other country, are disproportionately nonwhite in overall demographics. Maybe not a majority or plurality, but it does not match overall demographics and includes a disproportionate amount of Muslims.

The "white" people who do support and partake in the BDS movement are not considered being apart of the dominant ethnic group in that country. The UK BDS scene is disproportionately Northern Celtic in cultural extraction who identify as such–Scots, Norf Ingerlanders, and working class immigrants from the Republic of Ireland–who then move to London or Southern England as migrants while their children get really involved in Leftwing politics. You will see fewer Wessex or Cornish supporters even outside of their homeland or within it, and you can hardly find an Essex or Shropshirean individual relative to their population.

The Spanish BDS scene is, most likely, primarily made up of uppity provincial people and Moroccans, the bedrock of the Spanish working class. Castillians are disproportionately not supporters nor are they active participants of the movement.
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« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2022, 04:27:35 PM »

The BDS movement and the opposition to Israeli imperialism in overwhelmingly "white" countries, as is the same in any other country, are disproportionately nonwhite in overall demographics. Maybe not a majority or plurality, but it does not match overall demographics and includes a disproportionate amount of Muslims.

The "white" people who do support and partake in the BDS movement are not considered being apart of the dominant ethnic group in that country. The UK BDS scene is disproportionately Northern Celtic in cultural extraction who identify as such–Scots, Norf Ingerlanders, and working class immigrants from the Republic of Ireland–who then move to London or Southern England as migrants while their children get really involved in Leftwing politics. You will see fewer Wessex or Cornish supporters even outside of their homeland or within it, and you can hardly find an Essex or Shropshirean individual relative to their population.

The Spanish BDS scene is, most likely, primarily made up of uppity provincial people and Moroccans, the bedrock of the Spanish working class. Castillians are disproportionately not supporters nor are they active participants of the movement.

How are we intended to interpret the scare quotes around the word white in this post?
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« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2022, 09:25:52 PM »

Salopian, not 'Shropshirean', my Goodness.

As to the general subject, it is primarily an upper-middle class 'Left culture' fixation in Britain, much as you would expect. I've never noticed any link to age: if anything its most... aha... enthusiastic... advocates tend to have grey hair.
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« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2022, 10:13:20 AM »

The BDS movement and the opposition to Israeli imperialism in overwhelmingly "white" countries, as is the same in any other country, are disproportionately nonwhite in overall demographics. Maybe not a majority or plurality, but it does not match overall demographics and includes a disproportionate amount of Muslims.

The "white" people who do support and partake in the BDS movement are not considered being apart of the dominant ethnic group in that country. The UK BDS scene is disproportionately Northern Celtic in cultural extraction who identify as such–Scots, Norf Ingerlanders, and working class immigrants from the Republic of Ireland–who then move to London or Southern England as migrants while their children get really involved in Leftwing politics. You will see fewer Wessex or Cornish supporters even outside of their homeland or within it, and you can hardly find an Essex or Shropshirean individual relative to their population.

The Spanish BDS scene is, most likely, primarily made up of uppity provincial people and Moroccans, the bedrock of the Spanish working class. Castillians are disproportionately not supporters nor are they active participants of the movement.

Imperialism is when you defend yourself from foreign aggression

Anti-imperialism is invading Ukraine
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« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2022, 01:24:10 PM »

The BDS movement and the opposition to Israeli imperialism in overwhelmingly "white" countries, as is the same in any other country, are disproportionately nonwhite in overall demographics. Maybe not a majority or plurality, but it does not match overall demographics and includes a disproportionate amount of Muslims.

The "white" people who do support and partake in the BDS movement are not considered being apart of the dominant ethnic group in that country. The UK BDS scene is disproportionately Northern Celtic in cultural extraction who identify as such–Scots, Norf Ingerlanders, and working class immigrants from the Republic of Ireland–who then move to London or Southern England as migrants while their children get really involved in Leftwing politics. You will see fewer Wessex or Cornish supporters even outside of their homeland or within it, and you can hardly find an Essex or Shropshirean individual relative to their population.

The Spanish BDS scene is, most likely, primarily made up of uppity provincial people and Moroccans, the bedrock of the Spanish working class. Castillians are disproportionately not supporters nor are they active participants of the movement.

Imperialism is when you defend yourself from foreign aggression

Anti-imperialism is invading Ukraine
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« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2022, 02:14:42 PM »

The BDS movement and the opposition to Israeli imperialism in overwhelmingly "white" countries, as is the same in any other country, are disproportionately nonwhite in overall demographics. Maybe not a majority or plurality, but it does not match overall demographics and includes a disproportionate amount of Muslims.

The "white" people who do support and partake in the BDS movement are not considered being apart of the dominant ethnic group in that country. The UK BDS scene is disproportionately Northern Celtic in cultural extraction who identify as such–Scots, Norf Ingerlanders, and working class immigrants from the Republic of Ireland–who then move to London or Southern England as migrants while their children get really involved in Leftwing politics. You will see fewer Wessex or Cornish supporters even outside of their homeland or within it, and you can hardly find an Essex or Shropshirean individual relative to their population.

The Spanish BDS scene is, most likely, primarily made up of uppity provincial people and Moroccans, the bedrock of the Spanish working class. Castillians are disproportionately not supporters nor are they active participants of the movement.

Imperialism is when you defend yourself from foreign aggression

Anti-imperialism is invading Ukraine
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When Hamas fires rockets into Israel, it is engaging in anti-imperialist resistance.

When Ukraine shoots down Russian jets over Kyiv, it is aiding and abetting Western imperialism.
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« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2022, 02:20:43 PM »

The BDS movement and the opposition to Israeli imperialism in overwhelmingly "white" countries, as is the same in any other country, are disproportionately nonwhite in overall demographics. Maybe not a majority or plurality, but it does not match overall demographics and includes a disproportionate amount of Muslims.

The "white" people who do support and partake in the BDS movement are not considered being apart of the dominant ethnic group in that country. The UK BDS scene is disproportionately Northern Celtic in cultural extraction who identify as such–Scots, Norf Ingerlanders, and working class immigrants from the Republic of Ireland–who then move to London or Southern England as migrants while their children get really involved in Leftwing politics. You will see fewer Wessex or Cornish supporters even outside of their homeland or within it, and you can hardly find an Essex or Shropshirean individual relative to their population.

The Spanish BDS scene is, most likely, primarily made up of uppity provincial people and Moroccans, the bedrock of the Spanish working class. Castillians are disproportionately not supporters nor are they active participants of the movement.

Imperialism is when you defend yourself from foreign aggression

Anti-imperialism is invading Ukraine
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When Hamas fires rockets into Israel, it is engaging in anti-imperialist resistance.

When Ukraine shoots down Russian jets over Kyiv, it is aiding and abetting Western imperialism.
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« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2022, 11:13:02 PM »

my view is that BDS is odious and hypocritical  on the part of the Arabs. Genuine "Friends of the Palestinians" would be advising them to come to a settlement, on whatever terms Israel is willing to offer, because a settlement may not even be theoretically possible for much longer.
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« Reply #24 on: March 16, 2022, 10:29:46 AM »

my view is that BDS is odious and hypocritical  on the part of the Arabs. Genuine "Friends of the Palestinians" would be advising them to come to a settlement, on whatever terms Israel is willing to offer, because a settlement may not even be theoretically possible for much longer.

Israel has given Palestine several very generous offers over the years and been rejected every time, because Palestine does not negotiate in good faith.
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