If Trump wins in 2024, will America become an autocracy?

[TheReckoning]

If you had to guess, what do you think?

[progressive85]

Our country is stronger than just one man, especially when that man is despised by half the population.

[HagridOfTheDeep]

I lean towards oligarchy. There will be elections, and the votes that are cast will count, but the scales are going to be so institutionally tilted towards the GOP in more and more places that it would be a farce to call the country a true representative democracy. To be honest it’s already like that with the electoral college.

[Forum explorer]

Probably not, but he will do everything he can to make it that way.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Trump, even at his peak, lacked the necessary faculties to be a competent dogcatcher, let alone a competent autocrat. America under Trump would be on a path to becoming a one-party state, run as a kakistocracy.

[SnowLabrador]

Hot take: It will even if he doesn't, because many other Republicans would be just a more competent Trump. One day, when a Republican retakes the Presidency, this country's going to become an autocracy.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

He's not winning in 24 COVID is gonna be over in 24 not entirely but it won't be a major concern, keep in mind  the only states that matter are WI, MI and PA, Hillary was the only candidate to lose them Bill Clinton, Gore, Kerry, Obama and Biden won them and Biden won them 3 times with being Veep as Prez


The wrong track number has gone down from 70 to 55 due to decline in COVID just like it did from 2010 to 2012 when we got from under 11 percent unemployment

RS think the D's need the red wall, we do for Congress as wave insurance but not to clinch Prez, VA, NV and CO equals OH 20 EC votes that's why Gore and Kerry lost because prior to 2006 OH was the swing state

[Inmate Trump]

Our country is stronger than just one man, especially when that man is despised by half the population.

We're definitely stronger than one man.  But it wouldn't be just one man, since his entire party is trying to make it harder for people to vote or outright rigging the system in other ways.  Allowing state legislators to overturn votes, for example, is horrid.

It may not be an autocracy...but it wouldn't be a democracy anymore either.

[Dac10]

No. Trump (or almost any Republican) could win with a full majority in the House and a comfortable supermajority of seats in the Senate and America would still be a liberal democracy afterwards.

[OSR stands with Israel]

I lean towards oligarchy. There will be elections, and the votes that are cast will count, but the scales are going to be so institutionally titled towards the GOP in more and more places that it would be a farce to call the country a true representative democracy. To be honest it’s already like that with the electoral college.

Says the person who lives in a nation where the electoral system is massively tilted in favor of the Liberals

[President Johnson]

More of a "flawed democracy", as numerous indepdendent NGOs already rate the US. Sadly.

[Galeel]

I think yes, but probably not under him. The anti-democracy turn of the GOP, combined with the fact that our institutions are already significantly biased towards them, make it pretty likely that they will fully take over eventually.

[deluxedriver]

Nobody can say for sure but the GOP will most likely become less and less democratic and try and pass more voting acts like the one in Georgia.

[Sir Mohamed]

Hot take: His presidency would again cause a lot of backlash and allow the Dems to make downballot gains throughout 2025-2029 and perhaps a governing majority in 2029.

Not saying Trump won't try to implement authoritarian policies, with various success.

[Person Man]

Hot take: His presidency would again cause a lot of backlash and allow the Dems to make downballot gains throughout 2025-2029 and perhaps a governing majority in 2029.

Not saying Trump won't try to implement authoritarian policies, with various success.

I think this happens whether its Trump, DeSantis, Pence, or whoever else. The Democratic Party is so hollowed out that while the downballot prospects, especially with redistricting being a much smaller variable, are excellent, it will take until 2032 or even 2036 for the Democrats to put someone up there worth voting for.

If Democrats do very poorly and the Republicans very well then yes.

[S019]

No, it won't, but the chances of it becoming an increasingly illiberal democracy (similar to say Poland) are underrated imo.

[Hammy]

I lean towards oligarchy. There will be elections, and the votes that are cast will count, but the scales are going to be so institutionally titled towards the GOP in more and more places that it would be a farce to call the country a true representative democracy. To be honest it’s already like that with the electoral college.

Says the person who lives in a nation where the electoral system is massively tilted in favor of the Liberals

What is this even supposed to mean? Canada's parliamentary makeup essentially matched the popular vote.

[Person Man]

No, it won't, but the chances of it becoming an increasingly illiberal democracy (similar to say Poland) are underrated imo.

What does that even mean? That its a democracy but with no meaningful due process or separation of Church and State? There is a total ban on all abortions (and a vibrant drug trade) and blasphemy laws ("crimes against religious feeling") that are regularly enforced with jail time.

Or it could just be that "Illiberal Democracy" is the flip side of "Social Democracy". That is, where you really like Socialism/Fascism, but know that it has its own failings so you try to create a system where you create a middle ground between liberal free-market limited-government secular republican representative democracy and socialism/fascism in order to reap the benefits and avoid the problems inherit in both systems.

Places like Hungary, Turkey, and Poland are basically the flip of places like Sweden and Denmark.

[OSR stands with Israel]

I lean towards oligarchy. There will be elections, and the votes that are cast will count, but the scales are going to be so institutionally titled towards the GOP in more and more places that it would be a farce to call the country a true representative democracy. To be honest it’s already like that with the electoral college.

Says the person who lives in a nation where the electoral system is massively tilted in favor of the Liberals

What is this even supposed to mean? Canada's parliamentary makeup essentially matched the popular vote.

Lol no , the liberals have way more seats than the Tories despite losing the popular vote .

[OSR stands with Israel]

If Trump wins America will become a nation:

- Where nearly every media institution  in colluding with the White House attempts to deplatform people who go against government experts

- Crowd Funding Sites will will shut down any funding of groups that are protesting against a leader the President considers a friend

- Has the DOJ investigate parents who are protesting public school policy for terrorism

- Has a majority of its own voters believe the government should censor speech on social media

- Has the vast majority of institutions in the nation push hard in favor of their side on cultural issues and has basically the entire main steam media smear anyone who opposes the push as a terrible bigot.

[Person Man]

If Trump wins America will become a nation:

- Where nearly every media institution  in colluding with the White House attempts to deplatform people who go against government experts

- Crowd Funding Sites will will shut down any funding of groups that are protesting against a leader the President considers a friend

- Has the DOJ investigate parents who are protesting public school policy for terrorism

- Has a majority of its own voters believe the government should censor speech on social media

- Has the vast majority of institutions in the nation push hard in favor of their side on cultural issues and has basically the entire main steam media smear anyone who opposes the push as a terrible bigot.

Yes. Variations of these things were happening when Trump was last president.

[dw93]

We'll continue to be a backsliding democracy if Trump were to win again. If however DeSantis, Hawley, or Cruz win, then I think the odds of the US becoming an autocracy or oligarchy increase significantly.

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

If Trump wins America will become a nation:

- Where nearly every media institution  in colluding with the White House attempts to deplatform people who go against government experts

- Crowd Funding Sites will will shut down any funding of groups that are protesting against a leader the President considers a friend

- Has the DOJ investigate parents who are protesting public school policy for terrorism

- Has a majority of its own voters believe the government should censor speech on social media

- Has the vast majority of institutions in the nation push hard in favor of their side on cultural issues and has basically the entire main steam media smear anyone who opposes the push as a terrible bigot.

LOL. The media covers the Administration in such a way that you'd think Biden is 2007 Bush rather than a POTUS with Clinton-level unemployment.

[OSR stands with Israel]

If Trump wins America will become a nation:

- Where nearly every media institution  in colluding with the White House attempts to deplatform people who go against government experts

- Crowd Funding Sites will will shut down any funding of groups that are protesting against a leader the President considers a friend

- Has the DOJ investigate parents who are protesting public school policy for terrorism

- Has a majority of its own voters believe the government should censor speech on social media

- Has the vast majority of institutions in the nation push hard in favor of their side on cultural issues and has basically the entire main steam media smear anyone who opposes the push as a terrible bigot.

LOL. The media covers the Administration in such a way that you'd think Biden is 2007 Bush rather than a POTUS with Clinton-level unemployment.

Difference is Clinton had low inflation too lol.

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

If Trump wins America will become a nation:

- Where nearly every media institution  in colluding with the White House attempts to deplatform people who go against government experts

- Crowd Funding Sites will will shut down any funding of groups that are protesting against a leader the President considers a friend

- Has the DOJ investigate parents who are protesting public school policy for terrorism

- Has a majority of its own voters believe the government should censor speech on social media

- Has the vast majority of institutions in the nation push hard in favor of their side on cultural issues and has basically the entire main steam media smear anyone who opposes the push as a terrible bigot.

LOL. The media covers the Administration in such a way that you'd think Biden is 2007 Bush rather than a POTUS with Clinton-level unemployment.

Difference is Clinton had low inflation too lol.

If you'd said something like 'media is is for whoever they can get the money from' I'd tend to agree.