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« on: January 28, 2022, 08:49:47 AM »
« edited: January 28, 2022, 09:51:04 AM by 2016 »

Rand Paul (R, Incumbent) 55
Charles Booker (D) 39

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2022/Mason_Dixon_Kentucky_Senate_Jan_2022.pdf

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« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2022, 09:52:20 AM »

Safe R, nothing to see here.

Surprised there's a plausible KY poll this early, as they usually tend to be garbage with tons of undecideds and some Dems starting to think the race may be semi-competitive.

Beshear's approvals are a silver lining; he's for sure not DOA in 2023.
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« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2022, 09:57:06 AM »

IDK why Booker persists in this doomed senate run?  He is from Louisville and could have the open and Safe Dem KY-03 for the decade. 
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« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2022, 10:01:22 AM »

IDK why Booker persists in this doomed senate run?  He is from Louisville and could have the open and Safe Dem KY-03 for the decade. 

Delusion and the ridiculous belief among some progressives that rural Appalachia voters are secret progressives/populists on economic issues.
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« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2022, 10:13:20 AM »

Beshear approvals are stunning. He'll probably lose 2023 anyway but he'll have a good shot.
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« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2022, 10:21:42 AM »

Beshear isn't losing in 23 but this race was never a race
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« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2022, 10:23:45 AM »

Paul has always been weaker than generic R, very interested in seeing his final winning margin here.
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« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2022, 05:24:08 PM »

In October 2020, this pollster had McConnell ahead 9, 51-42. He won by 20, 58-38.

If Rand Paul is a "weak incumbent", then Mitch McConnell is a dreadful one.

That Beshear approval rating is also ridiculous, although it wouldn't surprise me if he got a tornado response bump and is in the mid-50's.
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« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2022, 05:34:38 PM »

In October 2020, this pollster had McConnell ahead 9, 51-42. He won by 20, 58-38.

If Rand Paul is a "weak incumbent", then Mitch McConnell is a dreadful one.

That Beshear approval rating is also ridiculous, although it wouldn't surprise me if he got a tornado response bump and is in the mid-50's.

By how much do you think Paul will win by? I could easily see him receiving over 60% against Booker.
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« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2022, 05:40:48 PM »

In October 2020, this pollster had McConnell ahead 9, 51-42. He won by 20, 58-38.

If Rand Paul is a "weak incumbent", then Mitch McConnell is a dreadful one.

That Beshear approval rating is also ridiculous, although it wouldn't surprise me if he got a tornado response bump and is in the mid-50's.

By how much do you think Paul will win by? I could easily see him receiving over 60% against Booker.

Probably 25-30%, roughly the same or slightly higher than Trump's margin. Much like how polls overestimated McGrath's %, I don't expect Booker to get more than high 30's.
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« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2022, 07:10:35 PM »

Is it just me or does Paul seem like he’d been an extremely strong candidate in a different state but doesn’t really match Kentucky’s population of former democrat conservative populists? I get more Josh Hawley vibes from them
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« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2022, 07:36:29 PM »

Is it just me or does Paul seem like he’d been an extremely strong candidate in a different state but doesn’t really match Kentucky’s population of former democrat conservative populists? I get more Josh Hawley vibes from them

I think Rand would do extremely well in a state like Idaho.
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« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2022, 07:37:24 PM »

Beshear approvals are stunning. He'll probably lose 2023 anyway but he'll have a good shot.

We're still a ways away but I have a good feeling about him winning re-election. I don't think he'll win by 28 points but he could easily win by double-digits if his high approval rating continues. It seems like Kentucky could be the inverse for New England. Deeply Republican but still supports more moderate Dems. I doubt Beshear would've beat Bevin if it wasn't for his family though.
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« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2022, 01:21:21 AM »

So much for ruby red WVA and KY the Rs are supposed to flip both these races and D's are ahead gives me hope for OH Senate
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« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2022, 02:21:19 AM »

IDK why Booker persists in this doomed senate run?  He is from Louisville and could have the open and Safe Dem KY-03 for the decade. 

Delusion and the ridiculous belief among some progressives that rural Appalachia voters are secret progressives/populists on economic issues.

Honestly I think they are economically populist (not progressive, but populist) but care far more about social issues. Until that changes they're voting straight R.
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« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2022, 02:49:28 AM »
« Edited: January 29, 2022, 02:53:25 AM by Nasty but Frank »

Given what James Carville said, it will be interesting to see how much Charles Booker raises, especially from out of state money.

I normally don't believe in making predictions, but I don't think it's much of a stretch to say that the best Booker could do is about 45% of the vote.  In the 2016 election, Rand Paul defeated then Lexington Mayor Jim Gray 57.3-42.7%  So, any money sent to Booker is basically a waste.

Of course, I mean that as 'the best' is about 45%. Jim Gray ran against Rand Paul in an environment not long after many people thought Rand Paul made a fool of himself running for the Republican Presidential nomination and, so, might have been vulnerable.

The Democratic floor in the state is probably between 35-40% and I'd bet Booker gets somewhere around there.
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« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2022, 04:37:48 AM »

Is it just me or does Paul seem like he’d been an extremely strong candidate in a different state but doesn’t really match Kentucky’s population of former democrat conservative populists? I get more Josh Hawley vibes from them

His margins in 2010 and 2016 were in the 10-15% range. Not very impressive given the recent trends in the state and that those two years were good for the GOP.
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« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2022, 04:50:50 AM »

That's why you shouldn't look at polls all the time Turnout in VBM can exceed polls because we got 80M votes in 2020 and they were expecting 65M
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« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2022, 01:01:50 AM »

Beshear's approval/disapproval spread is significantly larger than Paul's lead over Charles Booker in the 2022 Senate race?

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« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2022, 01:05:51 AM »

Paul probably would be vulnerable if Democrats ran a stronger candidate than Booker, and 2022 was a more Democratic year. Unfortunately, neither of those things are true.
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« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2022, 02:17:48 AM »

Paul probably would be vulnerable if Democrats ran a stronger candidate than Booker, and 2022 was a more Democratic year. Unfortunately, neither of those things are true.
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« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2022, 02:26:16 AM »

Paul would maybe be vulnerable if this was Trump's 2nd midterm. Maybe being the key word
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« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2022, 04:31:12 AM »
« Edited: January 30, 2022, 04:34:57 AM by SOCIALIST MR BAKARI SELLERS »

Paul is not going anywhere even in Trump 2nd term

Why do users think that it will be a D wave in a 2nd Trump term it was a 304/234 map in 22 but States are votnng more like the Prez anyways so WI, MI and PA aren't gonna flip R even in a Biden Midterm

That's why the Delegations in the H and S looks exactly like the 304/234 blue wall as well as Govs, the reason why Rs overperform.in WI, PA and MI is because they have R state legislature but for Gov and Sen they vote for Dems
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