Glenn Youngkin sets up snitch line for reporting "divisive subjects" in teaching

[Badger]

You know,  It truly demonstrates all a rational thinking person needs to know about this issue to see certain Pseudo intellectual, semantic obsessed, pendants  Stroke their chins, straighten their fedoras and  Genuinely, unironically, start going down the road of "well,  If you stop and think about it like I have, was Slavery, objectively speaking, truly that negative?"

Key and Peele couldn't parody these posters more than they did themselves.

[NerdyBohemian]

Youngin specifically mentioned this "privilege bingo" exercise in Fairfax schools.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/fairfax-schools-tell-children-of-military-members-that-they-have-privilege

Yeah having to move because your dad has a decent job with benefits and you likely receive additional benefits sounds real rough. Right up there with getting the crap kicked out of you by the police because some Karen gave them a call because she thought you didn’t belong in her neighborhood because of the color of your skin.

It's not too late to delete this.

I stand by this and I’m not going to be bullied by the hero worship cult in this country. Yeah it sucks having to move on a whim and not getting to see a parent for long periods of time but it is in no way comparable to the conditions some people face in this country because of the color of their skin or their last name or their sexuality.

Though in all honesty I wouldn’t make the example so specific. I’d say “parent with full time job and benefits,” rather than military child. Or to make it a little more Fairfax centric, “Parent employed full time by the federal government.”

[SWE]

What subjects aren't "divisive" in some way? Since when is education supposed to make students/parents comfortable and never push their thinking or expose them to different viewpoints? If parents don't want this and want students to only hear their opinions, why even bring them into school?

I think teachers should teach students all sides of an issue, I disagree with Republicans on that.
However I think teachers should NEVER say their opinion on an issue or push their ideas as the "correct" ones. This is where I disagree with Democrats. Morality should be up to the parents. Schools should teach what different people think, but they should not indoctrinate.

Does that 'indoctrination' cover objective facts? Like, slavery being bad? What about climate change being real?

Slavery being bad is objectively not an objective fact. I agree that slavery is bad  but "bad" is a subjective word.

Slavery leads to generational trauma, poverty, and long term economic detriment, even for those that benefitted from the system short term.

Not to mention the propagation of the system required mass kidnapped, torture and lead to the death of millions directly or indirectly

I think it’s fair to say slavery is objectively bad

You can say it objectively leads to those consequences, but whether those consequences are bad is objectively subjective.

Me pointing out something is literally subjective is not me defending them. It seems everyone on this forum is a dictionary denier and refuses to understand how the English language works. You can't criticise climate change deniers and refuse to believe the dictionary definition of subjective. Literally all morality is subjective, even ones of which one opinion is agreed upon by 99.9% of people.

Ironically, this itself is very much a subjective claim that you've arbitrarily decided to pretend is objective

[certified hummus supporter 🇵🇸🤝🇺🇸🤝🇺🇦]

Youngin specifically mentioned this "privilege bingo" exercise in Fairfax schools.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/fairfax-schools-tell-children-of-military-members-that-they-have-privilege

Yeah having to move because your dad has a decent job with benefits and you likely receive additional benefits sounds real rough. Right up there with getting the crap kicked out of you by the police because some Karen gave them a call because she thought you didn’t belong in her neighborhood because of the color of your skin.

It's not too late to delete this.

Well he's not exactly wrong.

US Military Members get almost free healthcare, free college, subsidized housing, and food. Most US military members never go off and fight, they do a labor job, or a skilled trade.

It's a great way to enter the work force.

I could've sworn that Crane had posted this

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

You know,  It truly demonstrates all a rational thinking person needs to know about this issue to see certain Pseudo intellectual, semantic obsessed, pendants  Stroke their chins, straighten their fedoras and  Genuinely, unironically, start going down the road of "well,  If you stop and think about it like I have, was Slavery, objectively speaking, truly that negative?"

Key and Peele couldn't parody these posters more than they did themselves.

I don't think anyone has defended slavery in any real sense in this entire convo. One guy just said something about grammar, a small, defendable claim that literally multiple millennia of human existence proves.
Yes, one can say it smacks of pedantry, and "subjective" can be defined in many ways. But what "subjective" means is...in and of itself...subjective.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Youngin specifically mentioned this "privilege bingo" exercise in Fairfax schools.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/fairfax-schools-tell-children-of-military-members-that-they-have-privilege

Yeah having to move because your dad has a decent job with benefits and you likely receive additional benefits sounds real rough. Right up there with getting the crap kicked out of you by the police because some Karen gave them a call because she thought you didn’t belong in her neighborhood because of the color of your skin.

It's not too late to delete this.

I stand by this and I’m not going to be bullied by the hero worship cult in this country. Yeah it sucks having to move on a whim and not getting to see a parent for long periods of time but it is in no way comparable to the conditions some people face in this country because of the color of their skin or their last name or their sexuality.

Though in all honesty I wouldn’t make the example so specific. I’d say “parent with full time job and benefits,” rather than military child. Or to make it a little more Fairfax centric, “Parent employed full time by the federal government.”

I guarantee you most non-white children would rather have their parents around than change their skin color if they had the chance.

[NerdyBohemian]

Youngin specifically mentioned this "privilege bingo" exercise in Fairfax schools.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/fairfax-schools-tell-children-of-military-members-that-they-have-privilege

Yeah having to move because your dad has a decent job with benefits and you likely receive additional benefits sounds real rough. Right up there with getting the crap kicked out of you by the police because some Karen gave them a call because she thought you didn’t belong in her neighborhood because of the color of your skin.

It's not too late to delete this.

I stand by this and I’m not going to be bullied by the hero worship cult in this country. Yeah it sucks having to move on a whim and not getting to see a parent for long periods of time but it is in no way comparable to the conditions some people face in this country because of the color of their skin or their last name or their sexuality.

Though in all honesty I wouldn’t make the example so specific. I’d say “parent with full time job and benefits,” rather than military child. Or to make it a little more Fairfax centric, “Parent employed full time by the federal government.”

I guarantee you most non-white children would rather have their parents around than change their skin color if they had the chance.

Not sure where you got that from. No one said anything about changing skin color. We’re talking about recognizing privilege, one form of which is having parents who work full time with decent benefits.

[NerdyBohemian]

Why are we talking about the US military as if it were a white monolith? It's something like two-fifths non-white. It's ignorant and bigoted to speak of the military experience as a fundamentally white experience.

One of the dynamics present in many military communities is that the military families have significantly more ethnic diversity than the locals, and the locals are typically the whiter group. The experience of an American military family is not just the experience of a non-Hispanic white American family. The assumption that the dynamic present in NoVA is typical is nothing more than elite provincialism.

Who said anything about the military only being made up of white Americans? Perhaps I misspoke with my original post. There are many forms of privilege, not just white privilege, which is what this exercise was trying to show. Black men receive male privilege for example and a Latina woman married to a man receives straight privilege.  And a gay man who is able bodied receives able-bodied privilege. And myself, coming from a home with two parents where my mother could afford to stay home with me and my brother when we were children had that financial privilege.

No one is saying you're inherently a bad person for having some privileges. You just should recognize it and understand how some people may face barriers you didn't because of certain aspects of themselves.

[Arizona Iced Tea]

I think it really depends on the comfort level of families. No one is complaining about learning about slavery from an abstracted view, (your average middle school textbook). However, some teachers present a lot more about the specific first hand accounts that can be really disturbing for students especially the parts about kidnapping on slave ships, forced childbirth, and the family separations at auctions.
It is extremely important to learn about these perspectives and experiences but I could see why they might be considered divisive because students and parents might find them uncomfortable (see Youngkin's Beloved ad). Of course, they also shouldn't be banned for others who want to learn more about them. Maybe teach the "generic textbook" part of slavery first and then require parental permission to go more in depth into these more specific portions?

[Ferguson97]

Freedom, yes. The freedom to send your children to a school where they are not taught that they are inherently sinful because of their ethnic background. Where they are not taught  that their country is evil. Where they are not taught that they should repent and pay reparations and feel sorry for the rest of their lives. Very important and it has nothing to do with Communist Poland, sorry.

None of this is being taught in Virginia schools.

And you have explicitly called for the USA to become an ethnostate, so we have no reason to take you seriously on anything remotely resembling this subject.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Youngin specifically mentioned this "privilege bingo" exercise in Fairfax schools.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/fairfax-schools-tell-children-of-military-members-that-they-have-privilege

Yeah having to move because your dad has a decent job with benefits and you likely receive additional benefits sounds real rough. Right up there with getting the crap kicked out of you by the police because some Karen gave them a call because she thought you didn’t belong in her neighborhood because of the color of your skin.

It's not too late to delete this.

I stand by this and I’m not going to be bullied by the hero worship cult in this country. Yeah it sucks having to move on a whim and not getting to see a parent for long periods of time but it is in no way comparable to the conditions some people face in this country because of the color of their skin or their last name or their sexuality.

Though in all honesty I wouldn’t make the example so specific. I’d say “parent with full time job and benefits,” rather than military child. Or to make it a little more Fairfax centric, “Parent employed full time by the federal government.”

I guarantee you most non-white children would rather have their parents around than change their skin color if they had the chance.

Not sure where you got that from. No one said anything about changing skin color. We’re talking about recognizing privilege, one form of which is having parents who work full time with decent benefits.

The point is that having a parent on the other side of the world for months or even years is not some insignificant burden just because it doesn't feature on the standard woke priority list.

[Badger]

Youngin specifically mentioned this "privilege bingo" exercise in Fairfax schools.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/fairfax-schools-tell-children-of-military-members-that-they-have-privilege

Yeah having to move because your dad has a decent job with benefits and you likely receive additional benefits sounds real rough. Right up there with getting the crap kicked out of you by the police because some Karen gave them a call because she thought you didn’t belong in her neighborhood because of the color of your skin.

It's not too late to delete this.

I stand by this and I’m not going to be bullied by the hero worship cult in this country. Yeah it sucks having to move on a whim and not getting to see a parent for long periods of time but it is in no way comparable to the conditions some people face in this country because of the color of their skin or their last name or their sexuality.

Though in all honesty I wouldn’t make the example so specific. I’d say “parent with full time job and benefits,” rather than military child. Or to make it a little more Fairfax centric, “Parent employed full time by the federal government.”

I guarantee you most non-white children would rather have their parents around than change their skin color if they had the chance.

Not sure where you got that from. No one said anything about changing skin color. We’re talking about recognizing privilege, one form of which is having parents who work full time with decent benefits.

The point is that having a parent on the other side of the world for months or even years is not some insignificant burden just because it doesn't feature on the standard woke priority list.

 Is this period as crappy as Youngkin's  Actions are, the way to defend teaching about the Exploitation and hurdles hurdles one group of people have suffered suffered is not to minimize The sacrifices of military Members and their families. Not only completely irrelevant, but grossly misplaced

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Hopefully K-pop stans will flood this hotline fake reports.

"Hi, Governor Youngkin? My social studies teacher told me to stan Loona, but she mispronounced it. Is she a spy from a country where they can't pronounce lateral consonants?"

Whatever problems people have with the current highly ideologized state of American K-12 education, the right way to address them is through normal, sane exercise of government authority over public school curricula, not through recruiting anonymous informants from the ranks of the general public. At least SB8 had the cool bounty hunter angle. With this the informants are just PTA moms and their philistine husbands.

[Xing]

What subjects aren't "divisive" in some way? Since when is education supposed to make students/parents comfortable and never push their thinking or expose them to different viewpoints? If parents don't want this and want students to only hear their opinions, why even bring them into school?

I think teachers should teach students all sides of an issue, I disagree with Republicans on that.
However I think teachers should NEVER say their opinion on an issue or push their ideas as the "correct" ones. This is where I disagree with Democrats. Morality should be up to the parents. Schools should teach what different people think, but they should not indoctrinate.

I don’t think most Democrats are saying that teachers should teach their opinion as fact. Even stating political opinions in the classroom, much less saying that one’s opinion is the correct one, is highly discouraged in my ultra-liberal district. Presenting history and the discrimination that various groups faced and currently face is not stating an opinion, it is teaching a reality, and that reality should make people uncomfortable. It should not be taught that there is one correct solution to this problem, but while that does sometimes happen at meetings, it doesn’t in classrooms here.

[David Hume]

What subjects aren't "divisive" in some way? Since when is education supposed to make students/parents comfortable and never push their thinking or expose them to different viewpoints? If parents don't want this and want students to only hear their opinions, why even bring them into school?

Math, physics, statistics, computer science.

These are objective knowledge that are actually help poor kids succeed.

[Xing]

What subjects aren't "divisive" in some way? Since when is education supposed to make students/parents comfortable and never push their thinking or expose them to different viewpoints? If parents don't want this and want students to only hear their opinions, why even bring them into school?

Math, physics, statistics, computer science.

These are objective knowledge that are actually help poor kids succeed.

While I would say that these, as well as other subjects, shouldn't be considered divisive, but there will always be someone who finds a way to consider something problematic.

[Dr. Arch]

What subjects aren't "divisive" in some way? Since when is education supposed to make students/parents comfortable and never push their thinking or expose them to different viewpoints? If parents don't want this and want students to only hear their opinions, why even bring them into school?

Math, physics, statistics, computer science.

These are objective knowledge that are actually help poor kids succeed.

Math: Verbal Problems being too [Insert Your Problem of the Day Here]
Physics: Big Bang Theory, Radioactive Decay (vs. Creationism)
Computer Science: Automation vs. Facilitation

Literally anything can be politicized, and those three fields already have been to some extent. The American political system is absolutely broken, and when you start drawing arbitrary boundaries like these, you end up being blindsided.

[OSR stands with Israel]

What subjects aren't "divisive" in some way? Since when is education supposed to make students/parents comfortable and never push their thinking or expose them to different viewpoints? If parents don't want this and want students to only hear their opinions, why even bring them into school?

Math, physics, statistics, computer science.

These are objective knowledge that are actually help poor kids succeed.

https://twitter.com/lhfang/status/1456855208860930054?t=1pWZgkL3jCSjbxCGsS_UWA&a...


And California cited this guy . So according to modern day progressives, their version of history is objective but math can’t

[7,052,770]

And California cited this guy . So according to modern day progressives, their version of history is objective but math can’t

"Modern day progressives" don't monolitically agree with some charlatan no one's ever heard of

[OSR stands with Israel]

And California cited this guy . So according to modern day progressives, their version of history is objective but math can’t

"Modern day progressives" don't monolitically agree with some charlatan no one's ever heard of

Wrong California cited him in setting their new math recommendations which abolishes teaching algebra in middle school.


Or are you gonna deny California is a progressive or a liberal state

[7,052,770]

And California cited this guy . So according to modern day progressives, their version of history is objective but math can’t

"Modern day progressives" don't monolitically agree with some charlatan no one's ever heard of

Wrong California cited him in setting their new math recommendations which abolishes teaching algebra in middle school.

Or are you gonna deny California is a progressive or a liberal state

You must not have read my post carefully. Even you surely wouldn't argue that a few bureaucrats in one state doing something silly means that all 60 million or whatever American progressives monolothically agree with them.

[OSR stands with Israel]

And California cited this guy . So according to modern day progressives, their version of history is objective but math can’t

"Modern day progressives" don't monolitically agree with some charlatan no one's ever heard of

Wrong California cited him in setting their new math recommendations which abolishes teaching algebra in middle school.

Or are you gonna deny California is a progressive or a liberal state

You must not have read my post carefully. Even you surely wouldn't argue that a few bureaucrats in one state doing something silly means that all 60 million or whatever American progressives monolothically agree with them.

Of course not but it does mean Newsom does , otherwise he’d have signed an executive order overruling  those bureaucrats

[GregTheGreat657]

Does anyone else remember when Atlas had zero issue when Gavin Newsom did the same thing with guns?

[jojoju1998]

Does anyone else remember when Atlas had zero issue when Gavin Newsom did the same thing with guns?

No.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Does anyone else remember when Atlas had zero issue when Gavin Newsom did the same thing with guns?

He set up a line where parents could call in about reports of teachers waving guns around in class?