The filibuster remains

[Benjamin Frank]

I have to say this: abcdefu to Manchin and Sinema. They sold our party and country out.

And democracy.

[Joe Republic]

It's only fitting that an undemocratic and arbitrary rule designed to impede the will of the majority of legislators is used to help ensure the continuance of undemocratic and arbitrary rules designed to impede the will of the majority of voters.

[Thank you for being a friend...]

Manchin and Sinema are useless idiots.

Agreed - for their party, but they have served their Republican masters quite well - and neither will be rewarded.

That's what I meant.  "Useful idiot' is a reference to what the Soviet leaders thought of the American liberal appeasers.  I think 'useless idiot' is more appropriate because Manchin and Sinema aren't even well meaning.

I completely concur.  They have served nobody in doing this.  They have written their political obituaries.  Manchin was doomed to begin with, but Sinema completely destroyed her career.  She has no constituency anymore out there in AZ.

[Benjamin Frank]

It's only fitting that an undemocratic and arbitrary rule designed to impede the will of the majority of legislators is used to help ensure the continuance of undemocratic and arbitrary rules designed to impede the will of the majority of voters.

It's interesting though that Manchin and Sinema only believe this needs to be at the federal government level but that there is no need for a filibuster for state governments.

It's also interesting how in all the Republican majority states where none of these governments have the filibuster that these Republicans aren't rushing to bring them in in order to defend minority interests.  The only thing that is similar to the filibuster at the state level that I'm aware of is states that require a supermajority to raise taxes.

[Farmlands]

The United States is the only country where the party who literally launched a terrorist attack on the Capitol building can win while losing. Don't ever wonder why this country is so far behind the curve, because it's obvious.

The response has to be for Democrats in blue states to heavily restrict voting in Republican areas. What is good for one side surely is good for the other and with all the fraud that has come out of the Republican areas I think it's completely fair to start monitoring said areas closer.

Interesting take. Though, what was your position on Republican voting restrictions and the Big Lie again?

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Sinema is gone in 2024/ anyways either a ln R gets rid of her or Ruben Gallego runs to primary her, she thinks she can hold up D voting rights and get rid of it, she's sadly mistaken, Manchin isn't gone yet as I have always states if we win Red states in the Midterms, anf Midterms are far from over like NC or OH or FL or TX, Beto can win, he is totally different and better candidate than HEGAR or Valdez, this won't be a simple race by Greg Abbott, Manchin, Brown and Tester can survive, Tester is the most likely to survive, higher turnout in Prez elections and MT, WVA, IN and MO SPL they're votes in 2012 when we only won the NPVI by 4

All Biden has to be at in 22/24 is 50/48 on Election day and his polls aren't gonna stay low all the way till 24, with 3% unemployment.

I am still donating to Ryan and Beto but skip FL which Crist and Demings are down by only 3 due to DeSantis

[Sir Mohamed]

Of course it remains. Who would have thought?

It's only possible in America a 58-42 vote still loses.

[Inmate Trump]

That's it then.  America is over.

Democrats will lose the midterms in a landslide and they'll lose in 2024, ushering in a point of no return for the nation.  This was our one and only chance and it failed.  We will not recover from this.

A loss for our nation's voters; a win for the party of domestic terrorism (aka the GOP).

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

Good!

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Good!

Biden won't be at 41 percent forever and when we do win more seats whenever it's 22 or 26 the FILIBUSTER IS GONE AND Sinema is gone in 24 with Ruben Gallego anyways

I am optimistic about 22 but Biden wont be at 41 percent in Sept 25 and will win reelection and we can win Congress back in 24/26 and Ruben Gallego will be in Sinema seat if she continues to obstruct us

[Calthrina950]

The United States is the only country where the party who literally launched a terrorist attack on the Capitol building can win while losing. Don't ever wonder why this country is so far behind the curve, because it's obvious.

The response has to be for Democrats in blue states to heavily restrict voting in Republican areas. What is good for one side surely is good for the other and with all the fraud that has come out of the Republican areas I think it's completely fair to start monitoring said areas closer.

Interesting take. Though, what was your position on Republican voting restrictions and the Big Lie again?

I'm not surprised he would be making such a proposal, which would only exacerbate the polarization we've seen, and would make Democrats no better than Republicans.

[Schiff for Senate]

https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1480666643739164675

I am personally in favor of lowering the filibuster bar to about 55. I think both parties are hypocrites in filibuster, and D don't have a higher moral ground.

This is true, BUT the GOP has utilized the filibuster more, and more effectively, though I obviously concede that Democrats utilized it too, particularly during the Reid years.

[Schiff for Senate]

https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1484007412784848896
I would like to apologize in advance if there so happens to be a mega thread on this particular topic on here or some other sub-forum, because I haven't seen or noticed it yet.  

A minor note, but looking at this picture, I noticed that Senate Democrats are masked and Senate Republicans are maskless. It's yet another visual reminder of how far apart the two major political parties now are.

Is every GOP senator maskless? That would be truly very sad (though I don't expect better from about 40-45 out of 50 senators).

[Schiff for Senate]

I believe in this crazy idea that if a political party holds a majority in the legislative body that they should be able to pass legislation with that majority.

Let's be fair, Democrats have passed a good amount of legislation over the past year. But at the same time I see the case for the filibuster ending once and for all.

[Schiff for Senate]

Good to have it on the record at least and to see that at least the other 48 are willing to blow it up. So we only need to gain 2 seats. Although that will be a pretty steep climb for this election, but maybe 2024.

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If you know the bill is dead, then you can strategically vote 'yes'. Bump that magic number north of 55 to be more accurate.

First time? Check when I started here lol. Anyone who voted to change the rule will have to justify their new change of their heart if they later want to vote not to change the rule. They know that.

This is true. I think maybe a couple of senators (1 or 2) might switch to no and come up with some weak excuse why, but the vast majority will remain consistent. Anyway, what it means is that Democrats need about 52 (to play it safe) non-Sinema and non-Manchin Democrats in the House, so 4 more (3 more if Sinema is replaced in 2024 by another Democrat).

[Schiff for Senate]

The Senate should just be eliminated entirely.  It has produced absolutely nothing for this country in all its years its been in existence.  Its full of bloviating fools, nauseating hypocrites, and the worst politicians in America.  End it.

No, the HoR has way, way worse politicians. I don't know who the worst GOP senators are, but they're tons better than MTG, Boebart, Gosar and the like are; I don't know who the worst Democratic senators are, but they're tons better than the Squad and the like. 7/50 GOP senators voted for impeachment, 8/50 objected - and 10/211 GOP senators voted for impeachment while a whopping 139/211 objected. The House is much worse, less cordial, more extreme and more partisan. The only solid argument against the senate is that WY gets the same representation as CA despite having a sixtieth of our population.

[Schiff for Senate]

I have to say this: abcdefu to Manchin and Sinema. They sold our party and country out.

And democracy.

Let's not overdo it. Overturning democracy is when the GOP does stuff like restrict voting rights (certain actions, like banning vote harvesting, are bad, while others aren't really 'restricting' it) and tries to overturn the results of 2020 because they can't handle defeat. This is bad but not nearly so as overturning democracy.

[Calthrina950]

https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1484007412784848896
I would like to apologize in advance if there so happens to be a mega thread on this particular topic on here or some other sub-forum, because I haven't seen or noticed it yet.  

A minor note, but looking at this picture, I noticed that Senate Democrats are masked and Senate Republicans are maskless. It's yet another visual reminder of how far apart the two major political parties now are.

Is every GOP senator maskless? That would be truly very sad (though I don't expect better from about 40-45 out of 50 senators).

There may have been a few who were masked, but the vast majority aren't.

[Schiff for Senate]

Good!

Why exactly is obstructionism good?

That's it then.  America is over.

Democrats will lose the midterms in a landslide and they'll lose in 2024, ushering in a point of no return for the nation.  This was our one and only chance and it failed.  We will not recover from this.

A loss for our nation's voters; a win for the party of domestic terrorism (aka the GOP).

Don't overdo it. You're starting to sound like SnowLabrador and MillenialModerate now.

[Schiff for Senate]

https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1484007412784848896
I would like to apologize in advance if there so happens to be a mega thread on this particular topic on here or some other sub-forum, because I haven't seen or noticed it yet.  

A minor note, but looking at this picture, I noticed that Senate Democrats are masked and Senate Republicans are maskless. It's yet another visual reminder of how far apart the two major political parties now are.

Is every GOP senator maskless? That would be truly very sad (though I don't expect better from about 40-45 out of 50 senators).

There may have been a few who were masked, but the vast majority aren't.

Which ones, out of curiousity? (If you can tell me it'd be great, since I can't access the image on my computer, but I understand if you can't.)

[Calthrina950]

https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1484007412784848896
I would like to apologize in advance if there so happens to be a mega thread on this particular topic on here or some other sub-forum, because I haven't seen or noticed it yet.  

A minor note, but looking at this picture, I noticed that Senate Democrats are masked and Senate Republicans are maskless. It's yet another visual reminder of how far apart the two major political parties now are.

Is every GOP senator maskless? That would be truly very sad (though I don't expect better from about 40-45 out of 50 senators).

There may have been a few who were masked, but the vast majority aren't.

Which ones, out of curiousity? (If you can tell me it'd be great, since I can't access the image on my computer, but I understand if you can't.)

I couldn't tell you, unfortunately.

[Schiff for Senate]

https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1484007412784848896
I would like to apologize in advance if there so happens to be a mega thread on this particular topic on here or some other sub-forum, because I haven't seen or noticed it yet.  

A minor note, but looking at this picture, I noticed that Senate Democrats are masked and Senate Republicans are maskless. It's yet another visual reminder of how far apart the two major political parties now are.

Is every GOP senator maskless? That would be truly very sad (though I don't expect better from about 40-45 out of 50 senators).

There may have been a few who were masked, but the vast majority aren't.

Which ones, out of curiousity? (If you can tell me it'd be great, since I can't access the image on my computer, but I understand if you can't.)

I couldn't tell you, unfortunately.

Ah. Well, I'd guess maybe some of the older ones (such as maybe Shelby) and moderates like Murkowski and Collins might be, then.

[Calthrina950]

https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1484007412784848896
I would like to apologize in advance if there so happens to be a mega thread on this particular topic on here or some other sub-forum, because I haven't seen or noticed it yet.  

A minor note, but looking at this picture, I noticed that Senate Democrats are masked and Senate Republicans are maskless. It's yet another visual reminder of how far apart the two major political parties now are.

Is every GOP senator maskless? That would be truly very sad (though I don't expect better from about 40-45 out of 50 senators).

There may have been a few who were masked, but the vast majority aren't.

Which ones, out of curiousity? (If you can tell me it'd be great, since I can't access the image on my computer, but I understand if you can't.)

I couldn't tell you, unfortunately.

Ah. Well, I'd guess maybe some of the older ones (such as maybe Shelby) and moderates like Murkowski and Collins might be, then.

Not Shelby. He's clearly visible in the picture and is unmasked. And I don't think Collins was wearing one either.

[Schiff for Senate]

https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1484007412784848896
I would like to apologize in advance if there so happens to be a mega thread on this particular topic on here or some other sub-forum, because I haven't seen or noticed it yet.  

A minor note, but looking at this picture, I noticed that Senate Democrats are masked and Senate Republicans are maskless. It's yet another visual reminder of how far apart the two major political parties now are.

Is every GOP senator maskless? That would be truly very sad (though I don't expect better from about 40-45 out of 50 senators).

There may have been a few who were masked, but the vast majority aren't.

Which ones, out of curiousity? (If you can tell me it'd be great, since I can't access the image on my computer, but I understand if you can't.)

I couldn't tell you, unfortunately.

Ah. Well, I'd guess maybe some of the older ones (such as maybe Shelby) and moderates like Murkowski and Collins might be, then.

Not Shelby. He's clearly visible in the picture and is unmasked. And I don't think Collins was wearing one either.

Ouch. I mean, he's in his eighties (so high risk) and retiring (so no fear of backlash from the MAGA base). Why wouldn't he? And as for Collins, she's pretty old to and has little to fear from the MAGA base, either (has to worry more about independents and moderates back in ME).

[Buffalo Mayor Young Kim]

https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1480666643739164675

I am personally in favor of lowering the filibuster bar to about 55. I think both parties are hypocrites in filibuster, and D don't have a higher moral ground.

Why should there be a bar higher than a majority?

Senators are not peers, they are elected representatives and not entitled to any special powers beyond that.

The constitution clearly states when super-majorities are required, for treaties and constitutional amendments.

Rome, Poland-Lithuania, Hungary, every consensus based governing system has collapsed in on itself and ended in dictatorship or general ruin.