Whose murder was the more devastating blow for the development of science?

[James Monroe]

Both figures are products of a incredibly fundamentalist time when the learning of the natural world was prohibited but superstition was the ruler of both the elite and the common man. They were pioneers in trying to build a forward world where logic was the answer to the world problems. Just as with most revolutionary figures they have a gate that tells more about the times they'd lived.

Both events left a tragic devoid where the irrational nature of man took hold of the populace.
In the  case of Hypatia, she was murdered for daring to orthodox nature of Christianity of early Greek times. What was once the intellectual capital of the world was demolished by a Christian mob who took great offense by the truth of Hypatia. With Giordano Bruno he became the proposer for modern scientific knowledge in the time of irrationality, when he formulated the structure of the planets orientation that would become scientific fact in the modern era. However,  The Catholic Church who were backward Flat Earthers burned Bruno to the stake, which means Bruno becomes history and the world lost a champion for the advancement of science.

[Edu]

This must be the worst, and most hilariously awful, post in this subforum in quite a while.

[𝕭𝖆𝖕𝖙𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖆 𝕸𝖎𝖓𝖔𝖑𝖆]

It makes me incredibly distressed that there are people who still believe the myth of the Flat Earth. Washington Irving's fictional tales of Cristoforo Colombo and their consequences... On the other hand, it probably should not surprise me coming from someone who thinks Jesus of Nazareth was not a real person. But it really puts OP's accusations of "superstition" into perspective.

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

Both events left a tragic devoid where the irrational nature of man took hold of the populace.
In the  case of Hypatia, she was murdered for daring to orthodox nature of Christianity of early Greek times. What was once the intellectual capital of the world was demolished by a Christian mob who took great offense by the truth of Hypatia. With Giordano Bruno he became the proposer for modern scientific knowledge in the Dark Ages, when he formulated the structure of the planets orientation that would become scientific fact in the modern era. However,  The Catholic Church who were backward Flat Earthers burned Bruno to the stake, which means Bruno becomes history and the world lost a champion for the advancement of science.

1600=Dark ages

[ꙮ]

This sort of pseudo-intellectual content for edgy 12 year-olds is far below the standards of this page.

For starters, any individual's murder, with few exceptions, would not be a "devastating blow for the development of science." Science is typically a collaborative effort, and multiple discoveries are the historical norm. This doesn't mean that individual contributions are unimportant, but merely that the presence or non-presence of particular individuals probably did not change the rate of development of science greatly, except in a few revolutionary cases. It certainly would not apply to 2 individuals who made no notable contributions to the development of science. Let's look at these claims individually:

Hypatia was a well-renowned teacher, philosopher and mathematician, but nothing she is known to have produced was revolutionary in the way you are (attempting) to describe. She did not introduce revolutionary new mathematics or revolutionary new kinds of philosophy. Her death was tragic and had a chilling effect, but she was not some sort of martyr for science, and it's difficult to fathom how her death was a "devastating blow to the development of science."

The Giordano Bruno one is so bad that I would think it was some kind of satire if I didn't know the poster. Calling him the "first martyr for science" is laughable. Bruno was tried and executed for his heresy against the Catholic Church, for a myriad of offenses including denying the divinity of Christ, denying the Trinity, denying the virginity of Mary, believing in reincarnation, and believing in the existence of other worlds inhabited by other races of men. Bruno obviously did not deserve to die for these beliefs and his persecution is an example of the repression that free thinkers had to face in the time period, but the primary reason for his persecution was his theological differences with the church. Furthermore, Bruno was not the first person to propose a heliocentric model of the solar system. He did not propose the "structure of the planets orientation" that is accepted in the modern era. He did not invent science, and he did not live in """The Dark Ages""". Lastly, the Catholic Church, while wrong, did not believe in the flat Earth. Literally everything you claim about him is wrong.

Also, minor nitpick, but the date given on that sh**tty JPEG is the date Bruno was executed, not the date he was charged. Historical accuracy is important kids.

[James Monroe]

Both events left a tragic devoid where the irrational nature of man took hold of the populace.
In the  case of Hypatia, she was murdered for daring to orthodox nature of Christianity of early Greek times. What was once the intellectual capital of the world was demolished by a Christian mob who took great offense by the truth of Hypatia. With Giordano Bruno he became the proposer for modern scientific knowledge in the Dark Ages, when he formulated the structure of the planets orientation that would become scientific fact in the modern era. However,  The Catholic Church who were backward Flat Earthers burned Bruno to the stake, which means Bruno becomes history and the world lost a champion for the advancement of science.

1600=Dark ages

Sorry for the miscalculation but it was close to two centuries afterwards. The event predates the Enlightenment era but it still speaks to the Church reign in basking anti-Science demonstrations against those who dared to speak out the truth.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Hypatia* was murdered as a result of the psychotic political intrigues that Late Imperial Alexandria was notorious for: she was a prominent supporter of Orestes (the Imperial Prefect) who was engaged in a bitter power struggle with Cyril, the increasingly powerful Patriarch of Alexandria. Cyril won and Hypatia was one of the casualties. A nasty business, one that permanently blackened Cyril's name in the wider Church outside Egypt (not that he cared), but no one at the time seems to have thought it had much to do with philosophical or theological concerns, and it certainly had nothing to do with Alexandria's decline as a centre of learning: claims to the contrary are pure modern myth.

Bruno was executed for Heresy, this is correct, but not because of his Cosmological positions: what caused offence were his Theological views and, frankly, the fact that he was a rude and arrogant man who rubbed nearly everyone he met up the wrong way. The suggestion that the Catholic Church, or anyone in Europe at the time come to think of it, believed in the Flat Earth hypothesis is just utterly hysterical.

_{*Who was not a scientific innovator but a noted teacher of established thought and practice. She is best understood as a highly conservative figure in all senses, including (especially!) philosophical doctrine.}

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Bruno was executed for Heresy, this is correct, but not because of his Cosmological positions: what caused offence were his Theological views and, frankly, the fact that he was a rude and arrogant man who rubbed nearly everyone he met up the wrong way. The suggestion that the Catholic Church, or anyone in Europe at the time come to think of it, believed in the Flat Earth hypothesis is just utterly hysterical.

Moreover, many of Bruno's speculations that seem scientific in nature today, like the famous one about stars being other suns, were informed by theological stances that turned out to coincide with scientific fact, not scientific hypotheses themselves.

[Edu]

To read something written by someone pushing back against this type of nonsense I always liked this blog: https://historyforatheists.com/

Here's some about Hypatia and that bullcrap Amenábar movie: https://historyforatheists.com/2020/07/the-great-myths-9-hypatia-of-alexandria/

[James Monroe]

To read something written by someone pushing back against this type of nonsense I always liked this blog: https://historyforatheists.com/

Here's some about Hypatia and that bullcrap Amenábar movie: https://historyforatheists.com/2020/07/the-great-myths-9-hypatia-of-alexandria/

Thank you for linking the blogs. I search on the web first to find out the man's theological background because I am uninterested in hearing a Christian apologist want against a atheist criticism because nothing is going to change their worldview. The writer of the blog is apparently an atheist, so I will look forward to hearing his arguments against the supposed myths of Hypatia.

[The Mikado]

Re: Bruno, he essentially committed the Renaissance equivalent of suicide by cop. Believe it or not, the Church and the Inquisition Courts really weren't eagerly looking to martyr people.

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

Please do not poison the History board with your insane rantings, thanks.