Obama is the only Democrat since 1964 to win a majority of the vote in Ohio

[OSR stands with Israel]

And he did in twice in both 2008 and 2012

[Mr. Smith]

And he did in twice in both 2008 and 2012

He was the only one since FDR to get the majority twice. [for Dems].

[OSR stands with Israel]

And he did in twice in both 2008 and 2012

He was the only one until Biden to get a majority period, and still the first since FDR to do so twice.

Carter got a majority in 1976

[Mr. Smith]

And he did in twice in both 2008 and 2012

He was the only one until Biden to get a majority period, and still the first since FDR to do so twice.

Carter got a majority in 1976

fixed.

[Sir Mohamed]

Obama was an extraordinary strong candidate in the Midwest, though he twice faced opponents who were bad fits for the region.

Clinton could have managed a majority as well (for sure in the NPV), but had the bad luck to run in a 3-way race twice.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Obama was an extraordinary strong candidate in the Midwest, though he twice faced opponents who were bad fits for the region.

Clinton could have managed a majority as well (for sure in the NPV), but had the bad luck to run in a 3-way race twice.

Maybe in 1996 as I think Bush wins Ohio in 1992 without Perot given Clinton only won Ohio by 1.8 points

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Obama is the only Democrat to have all of the following
*twice elected President
*not be on a losing Presidential ticket
*get a majority of the vote in at least 1 election

[TDAS04]

Interesting.

Hard to believe that Clinton didn't even win a majority in Pennsylvania (even though Carter, Gore, and Kerry all did).

[If my soul was made of stone]

Interesting.

Hard to believe that Clinton didn't even win a majority in Pennsylvania (even though Carter, Gore, and Kerry all did).

Despite not managing a majority either time, Clinton still won the state by wider margins (about nine points each time, albeit with substantial coalition shifts under the hood) than Carter (about three points), Gore (about four), or Kerry (slightly narrower than Carter). In 1996, Clinton won Ohio by a wider margin than Obama did either time despite not managing a majority.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Interesting.

Hard to believe that Clinton didn't even win a majority in Pennsylvania (even though Carter, Gore, and Kerry all did).

Despite not managing a majority either time, Clinton still won the state by wider margins (about nine points each time, albeit with substantial coalition shifts under the hood) than Carter (about three points), Gore (about four), or Kerry (slightly narrower than Carter). In 1996, Clinton won Ohio by a wider margin than Obama did either time despite not managing a majority.

Without Perot Clinton likely loses Ohio in 1992 making it that 2008/2012 remain the only time Ohio voted Democratic in consecutive elections since 1932-1940

[Badger]

Interesting.

Hard to believe that Clinton didn't even win a majority in Pennsylvania (even though Carter, Gore, and Kerry all did).

Despite not managing a majority either time, Clinton still won the state by wider margins (about nine points each time, albeit with substantial coalition shifts under the hood) than Carter (about three points), Gore (about four), or Kerry (slightly narrower than Carter). In 1996, Clinton won Ohio by a wider margin than Obama did either time despite not managing a majority.

Without Perot Clinton likely loses Ohio in 1992 making it that 2008/2012 remain the only time Ohio voted Democratic in consecutive elections since 1932-1940

I'm not going to google it now, but IIRC the one exit poll with the question indicated Perot voters tangibly preferred Clinton over Bush as their second choice. Not surprising considering Perot's candidacy was far from ideologically conservative, and attracted a generally dissatisfied with the status quo voter base unlikely to support an unpopular incumbent.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Interesting.

Hard to believe that Clinton didn't even win a majority in Pennsylvania (even though Carter, Gore, and Kerry all did).

Despite not managing a majority either time, Clinton still won the state by wider margins (about nine points each time, albeit with substantial coalition shifts under the hood) than Carter (about three points), Gore (about four), or Kerry (slightly narrower than Carter). In 1996, Clinton won Ohio by a wider margin than Obama did either time despite not managing a majority.

Without Perot Clinton likely loses Ohio in 1992 making it that 2008/2012 remain the only time Ohio voted Democratic in consecutive elections since 1932-1940

I'm not going to google it now, but IIRC the one exit poll with the question indicated Perot voters tangibly preferred Clinton over Bush as their second choice. Not surprising considering Perot's candidacy was far from ideologically conservative, and attracted a generally dissatisfied with the status quo voter base unlikely to support an unpopular incumbent.

How much was HW unpopularity due to being attacked from two major candidates at the same time in an electorate that had a lot of swing voters vs him actually being very unpopular.


Like I still think HW loses but he loses more similarly to Trump 2020 in the electoral vote rather than lose by the margin he did

[Badger]

Interesting.

Hard to believe that Clinton didn't even win a majority in Pennsylvania (even though Carter, Gore, and Kerry all did).

Despite not managing a majority either time, Clinton still won the state by wider margins (about nine points each time, albeit with substantial coalition shifts under the hood) than Carter (about three points), Gore (about four), or Kerry (slightly narrower than Carter). In 1996, Clinton won Ohio by a wider margin than Obama did either time despite not managing a majority.

Without Perot Clinton likely loses Ohio in 1992 making it that 2008/2012 remain the only time Ohio voted Democratic in consecutive elections since 1932-1940

I'm not going to google it now, but IIRC the one exit poll with the question indicated Perot voters tangibly preferred Clinton over Bush as their second choice. Not surprising considering Perot's candidacy was far from ideologically conservative, and attracted a generally dissatisfied with the status quo voter base unlikely to support an unpopular incumbent.

How much was HW unpopularity due to being attacked from two major candidates at the same time in an electorate that had a lot of swing voters vs him actually being very unpopular.


Like I still think HW loses but he loses more similarly to Trump 2020 in the electoral vote rather than lose by the margin he did

 Bush was extremely unpopular even before perot entered the race.

Facts and statistics don't care what you think.