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« on: December 17, 2021, 11:59:59 AM »
« edited: December 17, 2021, 12:04:55 PM by Hindsight was 2020 »


This is worse than anything Omar or Tlaib said yet the suspects who got on them will be noticeably silent here
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« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2021, 12:56:14 PM »

Trump is extremely anti-Semitic; this is an objective fact.  However, this particular comment - while certainly idiotic and offensive - is not necessarily anti-Semitic in-and-of-itself and Trump, Omar, and Tlaib have all said far worse.  This is just Trump having a temper-tantrum because he finally realized most Jewish-Americans did not and never will vote for him.
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« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2021, 12:59:20 PM »
« Edited: December 17, 2021, 02:04:59 PM by Xing »

Not a great comment at all, but honestly, his implication that any Jewish person who doesn't support Republicans is a traitor is even worse and far more telling.
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« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2021, 01:05:15 PM »

I thought Trump was into his jewish daughter.
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« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2021, 01:08:11 PM »
« Edited: December 17, 2021, 01:39:17 PM by Badger »

I thought Trump was into his jewish daughter.

 Well, he's surely tried.
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« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2021, 01:08:54 PM »

Is he sleeping in this photo?
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« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2021, 01:32:36 PM »


No, it's just that morbidly obese people like Donald Trump look especially bad when seated.
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« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2021, 01:38:16 PM »
« Edited: December 17, 2021, 01:46:22 PM by NerdyBohemian »

Trump is extremely anti-Semitic; this is an objective fact.  However, this particular comment - while certainly idiotic and offensive - is not necessarily anti-Semitic in-and-of-itself and Trump, Omar, and Tlaib have all said far worse.  This is just Trump having a temper-tantrum because he finally realized most Jewish-Americans did not and never will vote for him.

Implying Jewish Americans have a dual loyalty between the USA and Israel and rehashing the “Jews control the media” trope is incredibly antisemitic.
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« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2021, 01:38:27 PM »

I thought Trump was into his jewish daughter.
That doesn't preclude someone from being casually anti-Semitic anymore than voting for Obama precludes someone from being racist. No one except probably a good chunk of those blue wave emoji types seriously believes Trump is a full fledged Holocaust denier blood and soil type but he clearly takes some anti-Semitic tropes seriously, see for example when he referred to Netanyahu as "your Prime Minister" when speaking at an event with a heavily Jewish audience. This quote kind of falls into the same sort of thought.

That said though yeah this is really not worse than other things he's said and has more to do with him being upset that Jews didn't vote for him despite all his Israel lip service. I doubt Trump has any real deeply held beliefs beyond what's good for himself.
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« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2021, 01:42:39 PM »

This is bananas and 100% anti-semitic. The idea that American Jews MUST be loyal to Israel is something Trump has espoused before, which gives this quote further context. He demands loyalty from American Jews because he "helped" "their" country. Not to mention the idea that the NYT is controlled by Jews is classically anti-semitic.
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« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2021, 01:52:12 PM »

Pretty tame by Trump standards. Clickbait thread title.
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« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2021, 01:59:39 PM »


"By Trump standards"  Is the key qualifier here. The worst thing this bastard ever did was to normalize such beliefs and behavior among nearly half the population by convincing them it was "political" rather than" being an asshole"" . Worse yet, To his partisans and their enablers he made it acceptable For no less a figure than the president of the United States.

As long as this SoB has a realistic shot, if not odds on favorite, of being the Republican nominee and potentially president, sh**t like this remains important. The minute hes locked up in prison I will genuinely cease to care beyond detached amusement at anything and everything he says.

Till then, though, know your enemy,  And watch out for them.
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« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2021, 02:08:12 PM »

Trump is extremely anti-Semitic; this is an objective fact.  However, this particular comment - while certainly idiotic and offensive - is not necessarily anti-Semitic in-and-of-itself and Trump, Omar, and Tlaib have all said far worse.  This is just Trump having a temper-tantrum because he finally realized most Jewish-Americans did not and never will vote for him.

Implying Jewish Americans have a dual loyalty between the USA and Israel and rehashing the “Jews control the media” trope is incredibly antisemitic.

I didn’t think that was what he was saying here.
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« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2021, 02:11:00 PM »

Trump is extremely anti-Semitic; this is an objective fact.  However, this particular comment - while certainly idiotic and offensive - is not necessarily anti-Semitic in-and-of-itself and Trump, Omar, and Tlaib have all said far worse.  This is just Trump having a temper-tantrum because he finally realized most Jewish-Americans did not and never will vote for him.

Implying Jewish Americans have a dual loyalty between the USA and Israel and rehashing the “Jews control the media” trope is incredibly antisemitic.

I didn’t think that was what he was saying here.

He was actually saying the opposite, that most Jewish Americans aren't loyal to Israel, but should be.
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« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2021, 02:17:30 PM »

Trump is extremely anti-Semitic; this is an objective fact.  However, this particular comment - while certainly idiotic and offensive - is not necessarily anti-Semitic in-and-of-itself and Trump, Omar, and Tlaib have all said far worse.  This is just Trump having a temper-tantrum because he finally realized most Jewish-Americans did not and never will vote for him.

Implying Jewish Americans have a dual loyalty between the USA and Israel and rehashing the “Jews control the media” trope is incredibly antisemitic.

Apparently he also said in the interview that Jews used to control Congress and trotted out the “Jews control the media” trope.  Those bits were unambiguously anti-Semitic; my initial post was just referring to his claim that Jewish-Americans don’t care about Israel as much as evangelicals do.
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« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2021, 02:27:10 PM »

Saying that most Jews should be firstmost loyal to Israel might be anti-Semitic but it's a trope commonly used by "normal" Republicans too. I remember before 2012 when the Obama Administration made a few minor criticisms of the actions of the Netanyahu government and some Fox News pundits and some blue avatars here started speculating about if this was going to DEVESTATE Obama and Democrats amongst Jewish voters in 2012. And then Republicans wonder why most Jews don't vote for them.
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« Reply #16 on: December 17, 2021, 02:28:51 PM »

As I've said elsewhere, Trump is a "Philosemite," which is someone who believes in every single anti-Semitic trope but thinks that they're all actually positive traits and therefore thinks that the Jews are awesome. Trump is the kind of person who thinks that there is a secret Jewish cabal that controls business and politics...and wishes that cabal was on his side! And thinks its unfair that it isn't! Shouldn't this shady cabal love him for supporting Israel?

Remember, this is the guy who addresses a Republican Jewish organization and starts off by saying that this is the only room he's ever been in with better dealmakers than himself.

Trump is someone who grew up hearing that Jews were greedy, manipulative loansharks who always find a technicality to break every promise they ever make while amassing disproportionate wealth and power, the old anti-Semitic stereotype of his childhood era, and went "Wow, those Jews sound incredible! I want to be just like them."

Tip for finding a Philosemite: someone of Trump's generation (in their 70s or 80s) who refer to the Jews as "That talented people" or "That incredible race." Works every time.
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« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2021, 02:35:34 PM »

As I've said elsewhere, Trump is a "Philosemite," which is someone who believes in every single anti-Semitic trope but thinks that they're all actually positive traits and therefore thinks that the Jews are awesome. Trump is the kind of person who thinks that there is a secret Jewish cabal that controls business and politics...and wishes that cabal was on his side! And thinks its unfair that it isn't! Shouldn't this shady cabal love him for supporting Israel?

Remember, this is the guy who addresses a Republican Jewish organization and starts off by saying that this is the only room he's ever been in with better dealmakers than himself.

Trump is someone who grew up hearing that Jews were greedy, manipulative loansharks who always find a technicality to break every promise they ever make while amassing disproportionate wealth and power, the old anti-Semitic stereotype of his childhood era, and went "Wow, those Jews sound incredible! I want to be just like them."

Tip for finding a Philosemite: someone of Trump's generation (in their 70s or 80s) who refer to the Jews as "That talented people" or "That incredible race." Works every time.

 Exactly right. For those who want to mention his Jewish son-in-law and converted daughter, how much do you wanna bet that trump Fully believes that it's good for his family because the Kushners  Are of course "good with money and business" due to their faith?
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« Reply #18 on: December 17, 2021, 02:38:24 PM »

Not just anti-Semitic, but a Bigot in general.
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« Reply #19 on: December 17, 2021, 02:51:44 PM »

Imagine actually living in a world in which Obama and Biden are in any way tough on Israel or responsible for people criticizing it.
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« Reply #20 on: December 17, 2021, 03:23:16 PM »
« Edited: December 19, 2021, 05:08:07 PM by YE »

Trump is extremely anti-Semitic; this is an objective fact.  However, this particular comment - while certainly idiotic and offensive - is not necessarily anti-Semitic in-and-of-itself and Trump, Omar, and Tlaib have all said far worse.  This is just Trump having a temper-tantrum because he finally realized most Jewish-Americans did not and never will vote for him.

Oh, give it up. This recording is proof positive that the uncritical Israel cheerleaders don't actually give a sh** about the Jews. All they care about is their Middle Eastern foreign policy agenda and laundering the defense aid money to their contractor donors.
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« Reply #21 on: December 17, 2021, 03:30:16 PM »

Trump is extremely anti-Semitic; this is an objective fact.  However, this particular comment - while certainly idiotic and offensive - is not necessarily anti-Semitic in-and-of-itself and Trump, Omar, and Tlaib have all said far worse.  This is just Trump having a temper-tantrum because he finally realized most Jewish-Americans did not and never will vote for him.

Implying Jewish Americans have a dual loyalty between the USA and Israel and rehashing the “Jews control the media” trope is incredibly antisemitic.

Ironically the only Jewish people who actually could be accused of this are people like the Adelson’s who are rabid right wingers.
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« Reply #22 on: December 17, 2021, 03:38:02 PM »

Trump is extremely anti-Semitic; this is an objective fact.  However, this particular comment - while certainly idiotic and offensive - is not necessarily anti-Semitic in-and-of-itself and Trump, Omar, and Tlaib have all said far worse.  This is just Trump having a temper-tantrum because he finally realized most Jewish-Americans did not and never will vote for him.

Oh, give it up. You will say anything to demonize people who think Palestinians are human beings. This recording is proof positive that the uncritical Israel cheerleaders don't actually give a sh** about the Jews. All they care about is their Middle Eastern foreign policy agenda and laundering the defense aid money to their contractor donors.

Don't forget the end times fetish. Doesn't apply to Trump but is certainly the case for most Christian Israel fanatics.
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« Reply #23 on: December 17, 2021, 03:42:58 PM »

Trump is just the kind of guy who prefers to pigeonhole individuals based on tired old stereotypes that were widespread as he was growing up, and then just assume political views based on those assumptions.

"Oh, the Jews?  Well they're all very pro-Israel, and anti-Palestinian.  Anti-Muslim in general, in fact.  But they're great at counting money!"

"The blacks and hispanics?  Usually stupid, and prone to crime."

"Women?  Well, how hot is she?  Her intelligence is based on her hotness from 1-10, you see.  And that time of the month."


Typical white boomer behavio- … oh, now I'm doing it too.
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« Reply #24 on: December 17, 2021, 03:48:10 PM »

Trump is extremely anti-Semitic; this is an objective fact.  However, this particular comment - while certainly idiotic and offensive - is not necessarily anti-Semitic in-and-of-itself and Trump, Omar, and Tlaib have all said far worse.  This is just Trump having a temper-tantrum because he finally realized most Jewish-Americans did not and never will vote for him.

Oh, give it up. You will say anything to demonize people who think Palestinians are human beings. This recording is proof positive that the uncritical Israel cheerleaders don't actually give a sh** about the Jews. All they care about is their Middle Eastern foreign policy agenda and laundering the defense aid money to their contractor donors.

Don't forget the end times fetish. Doesn't apply to Trump but is certainly the case for most Christian Israel fanatics.

Yeah, that definitely happens sometimes, but I think more often there's just an ingrained belief among right wing Christians that brown people and Muslims should not be in control of their holy sites - even though Jesus looked a lot more like a Palestinian Arab than an Ashkenazi - therefore it's completely morally justified to destroy Arab neighborhoods to excavate for evidence David existed.
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