Can the US Constitution legally be amended to authorize a genocide on US soil?

[America Needs a 13-6 Progressive SCOTUS]

Suppose that there are 2/3rd majorities in Congress and 38 state legislatures in favor of such an amendment that would authorize a genocide against whatever group. Could they legally do it?

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

Yes. I know it's hard to believe, but the oppression of gamers could get worse very soon.

[Figueira]

Unless the genocide somehow involves giving states unequal representation in the Senate or retroactively banning the slave trade before 1808, yes.

[NewYorkExpress]

I'm pretty sure the constitution as currently written already authorizes this (see what happened to the Native Americans).

[Libertas Vel Mors]

I'm pretty sure the constitution as currently written already authorizes this (see what happened to the Native Americans).

1. Genocide is the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group. The United States has never committed genocide.

2. This is not relevant to this thread.

[Donerail]

I'm pretty sure the constitution as currently written already authorizes this (see what happened to the Native Americans).

1. Genocide is the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group. The United States has never committed genocide.

I have bad news for you, about America:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_genocide
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_removal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Indian_Wars
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_destiny
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears

[Libertas Vel Mors]

I'm pretty sure the constitution as currently written already authorizes this (see what happened to the Native Americans).

1. Genocide is the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group. The United States has never committed genocide.

I have bad news for you, about America:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_genocide
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_removal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Indian_Wars
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_destiny
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears

You probably should have read some of those wikipedia links. I chose my words carefully. None of them were genocides.

[Donerail]

I'm pretty sure the constitution as currently written already authorizes this (see what happened to the Native Americans).

1. Genocide is the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group. The United States has never committed genocide.

I have bad news for you, about America:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_genocide
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_removal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Indian_Wars
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_destiny
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears

You probably should have read some of those wikipedia links. I chose my words carefully. None of them were genocides.

sorry, which part of the article titled "California genocide" do you think suggests a genocide did not occur?

[Libertas Vel Mors]

I'm pretty sure the constitution as currently written already authorizes this (see what happened to the Native Americans).

1. Genocide is the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group. The United States has never committed genocide.

I have bad news for you, about America:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_genocide
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_removal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Indian_Wars
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_destiny
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears

You probably should have read some of those wikipedia links. I chose my words carefully. None of them were genocides.

sorry, which part of the article titled "California genocide" do you think suggests a genocide did not occur?

The part where the United States did not engage in the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group

[Donerail]

if you can't actually articulate your argument i will put you on iggy for your low IQ

[Libertas Vel Mors]

if you can't actually articulate your argument i will put you on iggy for your low IQ

Pointing to a wikipedia article title isn't articulating your argument either.

[Mr. Reactionary]

This would violate preexisting natural rights.

[StateBoiler]

Of all the idiotic sh**t that gets posted on this board, this might be the dumbest thread I've ever seen.

"Can the U.S. Constitution be legally amended that the country ceases to exist and we choose to become a subject state inside the Russian Federation?" Yeah, in theory, it could. Now what's your point?

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Yes, which is why I am thankful that the bar to amend the Constitution is extremely high. It makes it harder for bad actors to circumvent our natural rights and abuse people.

[politicallefty]

Of all the idiotic sh**t that gets posted on this board, this might be the dumbest thread I've ever seen.

"Can the U.S. Constitution be legally amended that the country ceases to exist and we choose to become a subject state inside the Russian Federation?" Yeah, in theory, it could. Now what's your point?

This is the correct answer.

This would violate preexisting natural rights.

Natural rights only exist so long as they aren't precluded by the Constitution in some other way.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

I'm pretty sure the constitution as currently written already authorizes this (see what happened to the Native Americans).

1. Genocide is the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group. The United States has never committed genocide.

I have bad news for you, about America:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_genocide
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_removal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Indian_Wars
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_destiny
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears

You probably should have read some of those wikipedia links. I chose my words carefully. None of them were genocides.

sorry, which part of the article titled "California genocide" do you think suggests a genocide did not occur?

The part where the United States did not engage in the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group

None of the current definitions of genocide in international law restrict it to "deliberate killing of a large number of people". Other types of policies such as population transfer, mass rape, and reeducation can also constitute genocide if the intent is to destroy the group or destroy its group identity by dispersing it widely enough.

[SteveRogers]

I'm pretty sure the constitution as currently written already authorizes this (see what happened to the Native Americans).

1. Genocide is the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group. The United States has never committed genocide.

I have bad news for you, about America:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_genocide
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_removal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Indian_Wars
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_destiny
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears

You probably should have read some of those wikipedia links. I chose my words carefully. None of them were genocides.

sorry, which part of the article titled "California genocide" do you think suggests a genocide did not occur?

The part where the United States did not engage in the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group

The California genocide was the killing of thousands of indigenous peoples of California by United States government agents and private citizens in the 19th century. It began following the American Conquest of California from Mexico, and the influx of settlers due to the California Gold Rush, which accelerated the decline of the indigenous population of California. Between 1846 and 1873, it is estimated that non-Indians killed between 9,492 and 16,094 California Natives. Hundreds to thousands were additionally starved or worked to death.[1] Acts of enslavement, kidnapping, rape, child separation and displacement were widespread. These acts were encouraged, tolerated, and carried out by state authorities and militias.

So are you claiming that this never happened, or that the government-endorsed mass slaughter and displacement wasn’t related to the goal of wiping out a particular ethnic group or nation of people? Because both would be just factually incorrect.

[Libertas Vel Mors]

I'm pretty sure the constitution as currently written already authorizes this (see what happened to the Native Americans).

1. Genocide is the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group. The United States has never committed genocide.

I have bad news for you, about America:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_genocide
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_removal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Indian_Wars
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_destiny
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears

You probably should have read some of those wikipedia links. I chose my words carefully. None of them were genocides.

sorry, which part of the article titled "California genocide" do you think suggests a genocide did not occur?

The part where the United States did not engage in the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group

The California genocide was the killing of thousands of indigenous peoples of California by United States government agents and private citizens in the 19th century. It began following the American Conquest of California from Mexico, and the influx of settlers due to the California Gold Rush, which accelerated the decline of the indigenous population of California. Between 1846 and 1873, it is estimated that non-Indians killed between 9,492 and 16,094 California Natives. Hundreds to thousands were additionally starved or worked to death.[1] Acts of enslavement, kidnapping, rape, child separation and displacement were widespread. These acts were encouraged, tolerated, and carried out by state authorities and militias.

So are you claiming that this never happened, or that the government-endorsed mass slaughter and displacement wasn’t related to the goal of wiping out a particular ethnic group or nation of people? Because both would be just factually incorrect.

It wasn't government endorsed (the government preferred indenturing Native Americans, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Act_for_the_Government_and_Protection_of_Indians), and it was for individual gain, not wiping out particular ethnic groups.

[SInNYC]

The US constitution can be amended for pretty much anything, including making us a dictatorship, which I assume is a sufficient (but not necessary) condition for anything including genocide. Actually, there is a logical flaw in the constitution that allows us to turn into a dictatorship, as pointed out by the greatest mathematician of modern times Goedel on his citizenship test (he was quickly shushed by his companion Einstein or his questioner depending on which version of the story you believe). Wikipedia has one version of the story.

The exact mechanism of this logical flaw is unknown, though some think its just a matter of amending the constitution while others think its an inconsistency (in which case you can logically conclude anything you want).