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« Reply #25 on: November 27, 2021, 07:38:51 AM »

Absolutely not, but congratulations on putting together one of the worst policy collections I've ever seen.

Glad to know you despise the poor and oppose fighting climate change as well as reforming the criminal justice system. Judging by what you'd want as the opposite of the stated platform, I imagine your preferred ideology is some kind of authoritarian Victorian Whig utilitarianism where the masses are spiritually lobotomized consoomer slaves where one's health insurance and livelihood depends on the whim of all-powerful commissars in the HR department.
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« Reply #26 on: November 27, 2021, 08:38:50 AM »


-Increase Wall Street regulations - Great

-Free community college - Great

-Medicare for All - Great, should go further

-Pro-border wall, encourage legal immigration through entry points - Fair enough, providing it's in good faith

-Generally, Pro-Second Amendment (universal background checks, ban people on the no-fly list) - Major disagreement

-Look for wasteful spending in the whole of government, and either cut that spending or move it somewhere else - Well yes, but doesn't sound like it's in good faith

-Do the same thing with regulations, looking for unneeded regulations, but not be afraid to add regulations if needed - 'Unneeded regulations'

-Be aggressive in fighting climate change - Well of course, but be more specific

-Free trade deals that can lead to equal trade between two countries, try to end the trade deficit as best as possible - Life's not so simple

-Figure out a way to start paying down our national debt - Well yes, but there's a tradeoff

-Mandatory Voter ID, universal and free - In theory yes

-Renegotiate the Paris deal to make countries like China and India commit to faster emissions cuts - Great, but a new deal for the whole world is more appropriate

-Increase corporate taxes and/or close current loopholes - Great

-Increase taxes on those making more than $1 million/year - Great, but lower the bracket

-Decrease taxes for those in the lower class and maybe the middle class - Lower class yes

-Figure out ways to speed up the process to vet refugees to let more in - Depends on the specifics

-Legalize marijuana - Fair

-No regulations on cryptocurrency - Major disagreement

-Criminal justice reform (No three-strike laws, shift focus to rehabilitation, ban private prisons) - Good, but I'm not sure the rest of the package tackles the causes of crime

-Police reform (mandatory bodycams, ban on no-knock warrants, ban on chokeholds, increase training) - Good on these particular policies

-Break up monopolies and bring new antitrust action - Great

-Oppose COVID-19 vaccine mandates - Depends on the specifics

-Ban all lobbying - Nope

-Try to make NATO countries pay their required 2% of GDP on the military, or look at actions to put pressure to make them do so - Showboating

-Repeal the Patriot Act - Well of course

-Outlaw eminent domain - Nope, a blanket ban is ridiculous

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« Reply #27 on: November 27, 2021, 05:23:37 PM »


-Increase Wall Street regulations - Great

-Free community college - Great

-Medicare for All - Great, should go further

-Pro-border wall, encourage legal immigration through entry points - Fair enough, providing it's in good faith

-Generally, Pro-Second Amendment (universal background checks, ban people on the no-fly list) - Major disagreement

-Look for wasteful spending in the whole of government, and either cut that spending or move it somewhere else - Well yes, but doesn't sound like it's in good faith

-Do the same thing with regulations, looking for unneeded regulations, but not be afraid to add regulations if needed - 'Unneeded regulations'

-Be aggressive in fighting climate change - Well of course, but be more specific

-Free trade deals that can lead to equal trade between two countries, try to end the trade deficit as best as possible - Life's not so simple

-Figure out a way to start paying down our national debt - Well yes, but there's a tradeoff

-Mandatory Voter ID, universal and free - In theory yes

-Renegotiate the Paris deal to make countries like China and India commit to faster emissions cuts - Great, but a new deal for the whole world is more appropriate

-Increase corporate taxes and/or close current loopholes - Great

-Increase taxes on those making more than $1 million/year - Great, but lower the bracket

-Decrease taxes for those in the lower class and maybe the middle class - Lower class yes

-Figure out ways to speed up the process to vet refugees to let more in - Depends on the specifics

-Legalize marijuana - Fair

-No regulations on cryptocurrency - Major disagreement

-Criminal justice reform (No three-strike laws, shift focus to rehabilitation, ban private prisons) - Good, but I'm not sure the rest of the package tackles the causes of crime

-Police reform (mandatory bodycams, ban on no-knock warrants, ban on chokeholds, increase training) - Good on these particular policies

-Break up monopolies and bring new antitrust action - Great

-Oppose COVID-19 vaccine mandates - Depends on the specifics

-Ban all lobbying - Nope

-Try to make NATO countries pay their required 2% of GDP on the military, or look at actions to put pressure to make them do so - Showboating

-Repeal the Patriot Act - Well of course

-Outlaw eminent domain - Nope, a blanket ban is ridiculous



What would be bad faith in looking at spending and making sure it is used for the best purposes?
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beesley
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« Reply #28 on: November 27, 2021, 06:50:25 PM »


-Increase Wall Street regulations - Great

-Free community college - Great

-Medicare for All - Great, should go further

-Pro-border wall, encourage legal immigration through entry points - Fair enough, providing it's in good faith

-Generally, Pro-Second Amendment (universal background checks, ban people on the no-fly list) - Major disagreement

-Look for wasteful spending in the whole of government, and either cut that spending or move it somewhere else - Well yes, but doesn't sound like it's in good faith

-Do the same thing with regulations, looking for unneeded regulations, but not be afraid to add regulations if needed - 'Unneeded regulations'

-Be aggressive in fighting climate change - Well of course, but be more specific

-Free trade deals that can lead to equal trade between two countries, try to end the trade deficit as best as possible - Life's not so simple

-Figure out a way to start paying down our national debt - Well yes, but there's a tradeoff

-Mandatory Voter ID, universal and free - In theory yes

-Renegotiate the Paris deal to make countries like China and India commit to faster emissions cuts - Great, but a new deal for the whole world is more appropriate

-Increase corporate taxes and/or close current loopholes - Great

-Increase taxes on those making more than $1 million/year - Great, but lower the bracket

-Decrease taxes for those in the lower class and maybe the middle class - Lower class yes

-Figure out ways to speed up the process to vet refugees to let more in - Depends on the specifics

-Legalize marijuana - Fair

-No regulations on cryptocurrency - Major disagreement

-Criminal justice reform (No three-strike laws, shift focus to rehabilitation, ban private prisons) - Good, but I'm not sure the rest of the package tackles the causes of crime

-Police reform (mandatory bodycams, ban on no-knock warrants, ban on chokeholds, increase training) - Good on these particular policies

-Break up monopolies and bring new antitrust action - Great

-Oppose COVID-19 vaccine mandates - Depends on the specifics

-Ban all lobbying - Nope

-Try to make NATO countries pay their required 2% of GDP on the military, or look at actions to put pressure to make them do so - Showboating

-Repeal the Patriot Act - Well of course

-Outlaw eminent domain - Nope, a blanket ban is ridiculous



What would be bad faith in looking at spending and making sure it is used for the best purposes?

It's a tactic that is open to misuse and abuse. Looking for wasteful spending is fairly obvious and non partisan, so when one particular party extensively labels things as wasteful spending, it might actually be to defund those programmes.
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« Reply #29 on: November 28, 2021, 01:03:57 PM »

Absolutely not, but congratulations on putting together one of the worst policy collections I've ever seen.

Glad to know you despise the poor and oppose fighting climate change as well as reforming the criminal justice system. Judging by what you'd want as the opposite of the stated platform, I imagine your preferred ideology is some kind of authoritarian Victorian Whig utilitarianism where the masses are spiritually lobotomized consoomer slaves where one's health insurance and livelihood depends on the whim of all-powerful commissars in the HR department.

What the heck are you on about?
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« Reply #30 on: November 28, 2021, 07:37:38 PM »

There's more good than bad here, and it's certainly preferable to the GOP, but I would still probably choose the Democratic Party's agenda over this, all else being equal.
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« Reply #31 on: November 28, 2021, 08:12:20 PM »

I oppose marijuana legalization unless usage is kept on private property and disallowwd if the disgusting spell leaches into public areas. No issue with any other parts of the platform but there are more issues beyond those so hard to say if Id vote for this party or not.
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« Reply #32 on: December 01, 2021, 10:32:01 PM »

No
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