Russia-Ukraine war and related tensions Megathread

[dead0man]

We are now all-in on a Ukrainian victory.

We're not all-in on Ukrainian victory. All-in on Ukrainian victory is we deploy our troops on the ground. If supporters don't want to do that, okay, but you're not all-in on Ukrainian victory. Otherwise as the WaPo op-ed above makes clear, there's been no Ukrainian progress on taking back their territory the last 18 months outside of the retaking of Kherson.

we can do way more than we are doing now without putting boots on the ground and history will not look kindly on us for not doing it.

[Hollywood]

We are now all-in on a Ukrainian victory.

We're not all-in on Ukrainian victory. All-in on Ukrainian victory is we deploy our troops on the ground. If supporters don't want to do that, okay, but you're not all-in on Ukrainian victory. Otherwise as the WaPo op-ed above makes clear, there's been no Ukrainian progress on taking back their territory the last 18 months outside of the retaking of Kherson.

Like I said, I'm all-in on a Ukraine victory. 

[Virginiá]

More video of the cruiser getting hit by cruise missiles, and the aftermath

https://twitter.com/COUPSURE/status/1721583133244490087

https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/status/1721589358543712322

[jaichind]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/11/06/gift-grenade-ukraine-hennadii-chastiakov-valery-zaluzhny/

"Grenade in Birthday Gift Kills Aide to Ukraine’s Top Commander"

A top aide to the commander of Ukraine's armed forces was killed Monday when a birthday gift exploded, the military leader announced.

Not clear if this was Russia or some enemies this person had within Ukraine.

[bilaps]

Should be Ukrainian doing. They mastered their terrorist methods killing Dugina etc, now they switched to internal struggle.

[Red Velvet]

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1720856739313336645

https://twitter.com/caitoz/status/1721231522907447313

[Hindsight was 2020]

Should be Ukrainian doing. They mastered their terrorist methods killing Dugina etc, now they switched to internal struggle.

Just to be clear shooting unarmed civilians in the back of the head, using rape as a torture method, castrating captured soldiers, and firing missiles at civilian targets you are not only fine with but have complained in others threads that Russia gets criticized for but Ukraine trying to take one a leading advocate for their genocide and taking out the equally vile daughter is what gets your harshest condemnation.

[Hindsight was 2020]

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1720856739313336645

https://twitter.com/caitoz/status/1721231522907447313

The US isn’t abandoning Ukraine no matter how much you want it to be true genocide supporter

[jaichind]

https://thehill.com/policy/international/4296123-ukraine-russia-war-volodymyr-zelensky-not-the-right-time-elections/

"Zelensky says it’s ‘not the right time for elections’ in Ukraine"

[jaichind]

[PSOL]

Unlike the aftermath of the fall of Raqqa or Kabul, I do expect there to be a nasty insurgency in Ukraine should Russia take over its entire territory from public support and more intense foreign backing. There's nothing stopping any Ukrainian from instigating a massive uprising which will bring some territory back to it.

I am certain that a Russian victory at its best means a rump Ukrainian state based to the west of Kiev, not a total end to Ukraine.

[jaichind]

New Slovakia PM Fico says no more military aid to Ukraine but indicated that if Ukraine were to buy weapons from private Slovakia defense companies he would not get in the way.

[jaichind]

https://news.yahoo.com/west-cannot-win-war-then-093512806.html

"If the West cannot win this war, then what war can it win? – Ukraine's Foreign Minister"

Ukraine foreign minister implies that the current conflict is a proxy war being waged by the collective West against Russia

[bilaps]

Should be Ukrainian doing. They mastered their terrorist methods killing Dugina etc, now they switched to internal struggle.

Just to be clear shooting unarmed civilians in the back of the head, using rape as a torture method, castrating captured soldiers, and firing missiles at civilian targets you are not only fine with but have complained in others threads that Russia gets criticized for but Ukraine trying to take one a leading advocate for their genocide and taking out the equally vile daughter is what gets your harshest condemnation.

Civilian is a civilian no matter what. And killing civilians in that fashion is textbook terrorist. Allow that and soon you'll get envelopes and presents for domestic use and killing of your own citizens. You're just too blind from cheerleading to notice that.

I mean look at that language "equally vile daughter". That's the language people use when they want to dehumanize others so killing them makes it good. Pure terrorist attack that has nothing to do with the war, just for pure joy of killing someone you don't like. I see that it changed the situation on the frontline or what was said at the time "killing russian propagandists will change public opinion in Russia". Lol.

[EastAnglianLefty]

Unlike the aftermath of the fall of Raqqa or Kabul, I do expect there to be a nasty insurgency in Ukraine should Russia take over its entire territory from public support and more intense foreign backing. There's nothing stopping any Ukrainian from instigating a massive uprising which will bring some territory back to it.

I am certain that a Russian victory at its best means a rump Ukrainian state based to the west of Kiev, not a total end to Ukraine.

Russia isn't going to take over Ukraine's entire territory. The Ukrainian offensive this year has not gone as well as was hoped, but Russians attempts to counter-attack have made no significant progress and have never at any point looked likely to break through Ukrainian lines.

Stalemate is a plausible outcome; large-scale Russian advances as things stand are not.

[CumbrianLefty]

Yes, but some people put great faith in the "sheer weight of numbers" argument - ie the fact there are many more Russians than Ukrainians means the former will inevitably triumph in the end.

[Hindsight was 2020]

Should be Ukrainian doing. They mastered their terrorist methods killing Dugina etc, now they switched to internal struggle.

Just to be clear shooting unarmed civilians in the back of the head, using rape as a torture method, castrating captured soldiers, and firing missiles at civilian targets you are not only fine with but have complained in others threads that Russia gets criticized for but Ukraine trying to take one a leading advocate for their genocide and taking out the equally vile daughter is what gets your harshest condemnation.

Civilian is a civilian no matter what. And killing civilians in that fashion is textbook terrorist. Allow that and soon you'll get envelopes and presents for domestic use and killing of your own citizens. You're just too blind from cheerleading to notice that.

I mean look at that language "equally vile daughter". That's the language people use when they want to dehumanize others so killing them makes it good. Pure terrorist attack that has nothing to do with the war, just for pure joy of killing someone you don't like. I see that it changed the situation on the frontline or what was said at the time "killing russian propagandists will change public opinion in Russia". Lol.

And again you’ve never once showed any concern or disgust for what Russia does to Ukrainian citizens and even complained in the Israel thread about Russia getting criticized when it “fires a missile at some hellhole village in Ukraine”. So take your bad faith “civilians are civilians” argument and shove it

[jaichind]

https://www.businessinsider.in/politics/world/news/zelenskyy-says-the-israel-hamas-war-is-distracting-from-russias-invasion-of-ukraine-it-is-which-benefits-putin-/amp_articleshow/105024467.cms

"Zelenskyy says the Israel-Hamas war is distracting from Russia's invasion of Ukraine. It is, which benefits Putin."

Zelensky complains Middle East conflict is taking attention from the Russian-Ukraine war.

[bilaps]

Should be Ukrainian doing. They mastered their terrorist methods killing Dugina etc, now they switched to internal struggle.

Just to be clear shooting unarmed civilians in the back of the head, using rape as a torture method, castrating captured soldiers, and firing missiles at civilian targets you are not only fine with but have complained in others threads that Russia gets criticized for but Ukraine trying to take one a leading advocate for their genocide and taking out the equally vile daughter is what gets your harshest condemnation.

Civilian is a civilian no matter what. And killing civilians in that fashion is textbook terrorist. Allow that and soon you'll get envelopes and presents for domestic use and killing of your own citizens. You're just too blind from cheerleading to notice that.

I mean look at that language "equally vile daughter". That's the language people use when they want to dehumanize others so killing them makes it good. Pure terrorist attack that has nothing to do with the war, just for pure joy of killing someone you don't like. I see that it changed the situation on the frontline or what was said at the time "killing russian propagandists will change public opinion in Russia". Lol.

And again you’ve never once showed any concern or disgust for what Russia does to Ukrainian citizens and even complained in the Israel thread about Russia getting criticized when it “fires a missile at some hellhole village in Ukraine”. So take your bad faith “civilians are civilians” argument and shove it

You really have some anger management issues. I could offer you a variety of solutions, but I don't really care that much.

You are in no position that I should explain myself to you. And I know for a fact that I don't need to "both side" an issue. So, when Ukraine uses terror methods on their own citizens, I really don't have to write "yeah, but Russians".

[Hindsight was 2020]

It’s not “both side” to point out you are silent if not approving of Russia killing thousands of Ukrainian civilians while saving your harshest criticism for Ukraine blowing up a leading advocate to the Russian government for the eradication of the Ukrainian identity. It shows you’re a bad faith troll (and an awful human being but goes without saying). Also fwi telling you to shove your arguments ain’t anger issues, Dule showed what an actual angry response to one of you cretins is like lol

[jaichind]

https://www.politico.eu/article/top-zelenskyy-aide-slams-west-over-war-fatigue

"Zelenskyy’s top aide slams West over ‘war fatigue’"

[bilaps]

Dule showed what an actual angry response to one of you cretins is like lol

Internet tough guys be like:

For the rest of your post, ffs, cry me a river.

[Hindsight was 2020]

“Cry me a river” he says about Russia killing thousands of Ukrainian civilians well so much for “civilians are civilians”

[bilaps]

Nope, I say cry me a river only for your way of stalking people online wanting to align with your views.

[Hindsight was 2020]

Replying in an active thread is not stalking dude 😂. Also I fail to see how “Russia killing tens of thousands of Ukrainian civilians is bad” is such a radical position when you supposedly care about civilian casualties so much