Russia-Ukraine war and related tensions Megathread

[Bidenworth2020]

Can someone explain what is happening here like I'm five? There are so many conflicting reports on Twitter that I don't know what to believe.

[PSOL]

Can someone explain what is happening here like I'm five? There are so many conflicting reports on Twitter that I don't know what to believe.

Postmodernism living well in Russian politics

[NOVA Green]

Meanwhile, perhaps a time for a musical interlude or two....

1.) The current situation reminded me of a massive offensive to overthrow the British Occupiers and eject them from Ireland, where "the boys march at dawn", or perhaps somewhere in the "Foggy Mountain Dew", where you have a rebel formation striking at the heat of night.

2.) The apparent collapse of Russian domestic units sitting hands on arses, while the Wagner Company takes over the 11th largest city in Russia by population (1+ Million) appears to indicate that this rebellion is beyond a handful of war veterans, many of whom were convicts fighting for Wagner, but has perhaps become something much larger.

3.) We are not close to the level of Krondstadt rebellion, when it comes to verified reports of various Russian military units laying down their arms, in order to pick them up again to join the insurgency, but yet in Russian history when soldiers rebel, sometimes governments fall.

4.) Still, it does appear that "Putin's Chef", the scumbag whom he is with all the deeds that he has done, is effectively waging an armed revolutionary movement against certain Russian political and military leaders.

Strongly doubt the man ever listened to this song from hip-hop band Public Enemy, which used to be blasting from Boom-Boxes and stereo system even in "lily White arse Oregon" back in the dayz.

Sometimes even convicts, ex-convicts, ethnic minorities and all that, are just waiting for the chance to break free, and take the master out, by *any means necessary*

[Logical]

Putin to speak soon according to the Kremlin. Will he remove Shoigu or will he order Prigozhin to stand down? The world awaits.

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

https://twitter.com/fedtanyl/status/1672386412866314242

[PSOL]

https://twitter.com/fedtanyl/status/1672386412866314242

Still a waste of money

[Anti-Trump Truth Socialite JD Vance Enjoying Juror]

Putin to speak soon according to the Kremlin. Will he remove Shoigu or will he order Prigozhin to stand down? The world awaits.

If Putin actually caves to this, isn't it an incredible display of weakness? As a leader you cannot allow warlords to occupy your cities in order to demand concessions. What stops Girkin or Kadyrov from pulling the same stunt 2 weeks from now, with their own demands? Putin's whole image and position of authority would crumble.

I think the smart thing from his perspective would be to crack down harshly. I'm not sure I actually buy it when Prigozhin says the Russian troops support him. At the end of the day the size of Prigozhin's current force in Russia is like 1000 people tops, and the Russian forces massively outnumber him.

Then again, it's probably in the best interest of Ukraine that Putin f***s this up, and precipitates a longer conflict that takes attention and resources away from the war.

[PSOL]

Putin’s position is already a joke and has been calling off a cliff since 2018. It’s over speech or no speech, either now or later.

[Ferguson97]

Anyone know where we can watch the speech with translations?

[Logical]

Putin to speak soon according to the Kremlin. Will he remove Shoigu or will he order Prigozhin to stand down? The world awaits.

If Putin actually caves to this, isn't it an incredible display of weakness? As a leader you cannot allow warlords to occupy your cities in order to demand concessions. His whole image and position of authority would crumble.

I think the smart thing from his perspective would be to crack down harshly. I'm not sure I actually buy it when Prigozhin says the Russian troops support him. At the end of the day the size of Prigozhin's current force in Russia is like 1000 people tops, and the Russian forces massively outnumber him.

Then again, it's probably in the best interest of Ukraine that Putin f***s this up, and precipitates a longer conflict that takes attention and resources away from the war.

He's cooked either way. Every oligarch will be rushing to create their own personal militia to prepare for the inevitable collapse. I'm just praying they kill each other and leave Ukraine.

[Vosem]

Anyone know where we can watch the speech with translations?

Usually available on YouTube within a day for Putin content. If you want to listen to Putin live, you'll have to learn Russian like the rest of us

[Ferguson97]

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1672486853596028928

[Oleg 🇰🇿🤝🇺🇦]

Former richest man in Russia, he was one of the oligarchs Putin went after in his first term in office. Exiled in London:

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1672443593674616832?s=20

QED. The first deceived group of Russians who will run straight into the jaws of the secret department of the FSO.

[Zinneke]

Putin to speak soon according to the Kremlin. Will he remove Shoigu or will he order Prigozhin to stand down? The world awaits.

If Putin actually caves to this, isn't it an incredible display of weakness? As a leader you cannot allow warlords to occupy your cities in order to demand concessions. His whole image and position of authority would crumble.

I think the smart thing from his perspective would be to crack down harshly. I'm not sure I actually buy it when Prigozhin says the Russian troops support him. At the end of the day the size of Prigozhin's current force in Russia is like 1000 people tops, and the Russian forces massively outnumber him.

Then again, it's probably in the best interest of Ukraine that Putin f***s this up, and precipitates a longer conflict that takes attention and resources away from the war.

He's cooked either way. Every oligarch will be rushing to create their own personal militia to prepare for the inevitable collapse. I'm just praying they kill each other and leave Ukraine.

People give these "oligarchs" may too much credit and political power. The Russian collapse would only mean a handful of peripheral nationalists in the Caucasus try to create seperate entities, the oligarchs won't want to undermine the Russian state nor have they really had the power to remove Putin for years now. It's Western mythology.

[NOVA Green]

Meanwhile, regardless of the outcomes of the Russian "Prisoner Revolt", we must remember that there is likely a certain movie and books which will likely be banned in Russia (Assuming that is not already the case).

The Emperor's New Clothes:

Seven Nation Army not marching from the soldiers who fought in the meat grinders of Donbass:

HINT: Bad news if Putin goes after Russian Military vets, after at least we have some 120-160k Russian KIA/WIA/MIA.

Soldiers rebel sometimes after major losses, and certainly Russia has a history with that.

[Ferguson97]

Oh my god, New Jersey just tested its emergency alert system and gave me a f-cking heart attack

[walleye26]

My wife and I picked quite the time to travel to Europe for the first time. We are in Poland now. Nothing on the news here that is any different than what is being reported stateside.

[emailking]

He's speaking on CNN now with translation.

[Ferguson97]

Nothing super surprising in the speech, Putin called it treason and said Russia will defend itself. Did not mention Prigozhin by name, oddly.

[Middle-aged Europe]

It is now being claimed that Prigozhin has taken Voronezh... which, if true, would be the second Russian oblast capital under Wagner control following Rostov.

[Lumine]

A clear-cut denounciation of Prigozhin's actions as a mutiny from Putin (treason, an attack on the troops, a betrayal, and so on).

[LAKISYLVANIA]

Nothing super surprising in the speech, Putin called it treason and said Russia will defend itself. Did not mention Prigozhin by name, oddly.

That's a strategy he always does, to keep name recognition of rivals low.

[Ferguson97]

Thread with a summary translation (it was a short speech)



https://twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status/1672500103028801536

[Zinneke]

https://twitter.com/mjluxmoore/status/1672497184024203265

And soon the ballet will be played I imagine

[Anti-Trump Truth Socialite JD Vance Enjoying Juror]

Putin makes a relatively strong response, and calls these actions treason...

But now what? Prigozhin demanded concessions and didn't get them. Will they actually fight now? Prigozhin's men have Rostov, and apparently now the Bugaevka border crossing and Voronezh. The longer Putin waits to address this with force, the more entrenched Wagner will become. Better for Ukraine the longer this lasts, of course.