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« Reply #22725 on: June 10, 2023, 06:23:08 PM »

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« Reply #22726 on: June 10, 2023, 09:43:20 PM »


Almost all the tracking maps have Ukraine making the same progress today 😁.
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« Reply #22727 on: June 11, 2023, 05:52:35 AM »

https://www.bild.de/politik/ausland/politik-ausland/erste-deutsche-kampfpanzer-in-der-ukraine-zerstoert-wie-lange-reichen-unsere-leo-84272372.bild.html



Bild: "How long do our Leos last?"

I think it is always wrong to think in terms of "if we had weapon X then that can turn the tide of war?"  Yes, a new tank is better than an old tank but an old tank is better than no tank.  I think the level of training, organization, logistics, and air support is just as if not more important than the exact tank you have.  In many ways, a new tank makes things worse since that means you have to invest more to get training, organization, and logistics setup up around the new tank.  It is better in my view to figure out how to optimize around the equipment you actually have and get more of the existing equipment.

Another problem I see is to use these new tanks requires NATO training.  The problem I have with NATO training for the Ukrainian armed forces is the entire NATO doctrine is based on air superiority which Ukraine's armed forces do not have.  I will argue that an experienced Ukrainian officer has more to teach NATO officers how to fight the current conflict.  
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« Reply #22728 on: June 11, 2023, 06:13:41 AM »

Looks like Zaporozhye area will see rain in the next few days.  The mud will slow down any mechanized advances or movements by either side.

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« Reply #22729 on: June 11, 2023, 06:32:31 AM »

Looks like Zaporozhye area will see rain in the next few days.  The mud will slow down any mechanized advances or movements by either side.

https://twitter.com/Eureka_News_ENG/status/1667832637568761856
Russia can always count on General Weather.
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« Reply #22730 on: June 11, 2023, 07:28:45 AM »

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« Reply #22731 on: June 11, 2023, 08:50:11 AM »

Does anyone have any way to easy look up where these cities (in Ukraine) are?

Looking them up on Google Maps and isn't the most intuitive way to figure out where the battles and frontlines are.
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« Reply #22732 on: June 11, 2023, 09:20:14 AM »


Partisans getting work in 😤💪
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« Reply #22733 on: June 11, 2023, 10:11:48 AM »


Ukraine’s been making better progress this first week of the counterattack than Russia did in 7 months around Bakhmut lol
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« Reply #22734 on: June 11, 2023, 10:13:17 AM »

Looks like Zaporozhye area will see rain in the next few days.  The mud will slow down any mechanized advances or movements by either side.



Gives me Virginia 2017 vibes.
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« Reply #22735 on: June 11, 2023, 10:14:14 AM »

Looks like Zaporozhye area will see rain in the next few days.  The mud will slow down any mechanized advances or movements by either side.



Gives me Virginia 2017 vibes.
I bless the raains down in Ukraaaaainnnaaa
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« Reply #22736 on: June 11, 2023, 11:03:21 AM »

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« Reply #22737 on: June 11, 2023, 11:12:14 AM »

Does anyone have any way to easy look up where these cities (in Ukraine) are?

Looking them up on Google Maps and isn't the most intuitive way to figure out where the battles and frontlines are.

Use Deep State, as it has a regularly updated map of the front.

https://deepstatemap.live/en

Bear in mind though this is Ukraine, so there's probably ~30 towns with the same name. Even worse, various sources will use the Russian name, which can be spelt similarly or be a completely different name to the Ukrainian one.

Good luck.
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« Reply #22738 on: June 11, 2023, 12:11:36 PM »


Partisans getting work in 😤💪

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« Reply #22739 on: June 11, 2023, 12:36:52 PM »
« Edited: June 11, 2023, 12:40:24 PM by Storr »

The area of reported Ukrainian advances is near/along the Morki Yaly River:



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« Reply #22740 on: June 11, 2023, 01:07:47 PM »

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« Reply #22741 on: June 11, 2023, 04:40:22 PM »



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« Reply #22742 on: June 11, 2023, 04:47:02 PM »

Good and bad. Ukraine's forces are still mobile to some degree. But we have yet to see if they can breach the main Russian lines & first defensive positions.. as they so far are in the grey zone villages

I had a feeling they would be getting some progress in Southern Donetsk. I thought the main push would be here. But the attack through Tokmak is just not going to happen. At least not without total air power for the Ukrainian side.
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« Reply #22743 on: June 11, 2023, 05:09:12 PM »


The orcs on tg are getting nervous and it’s delicious lol
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« Reply #22744 on: June 11, 2023, 07:37:33 PM »


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« Reply #22745 on: June 12, 2023, 02:17:25 AM »



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« Reply #22746 on: June 12, 2023, 02:27:45 AM »

Looks like Zaporozhye area will see rain in the next few days.  The mud will slow down any mechanized advances or movements by either side.

https://twitter.com/Eureka_News_ENG/status/1667832637568761856
Russia can always count on General Weather.
You managed to make the General Frost idiotic stereotype sound even more idiotic, even though it seemed impossible.
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« Reply #22747 on: June 12, 2023, 05:34:21 AM »

https://www.stern.de/digital/technik/minen--buggys--hubschrauber--warum-die-russische-abwehr-bislang-so-erfolgreich-ist--33548044.html



Stern: "Mines, buggies, helicopters - that's why the Russian army's defenses have been so successful so far"
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« Reply #22748 on: June 12, 2023, 06:02:44 AM »

Recap: In Zaporizhzhia Russians abandoned Lobkove, Ukrainians entered it, but left to it's previous positions after it's DRGs stayed there a few hours. Lobkove is currently a contested settlement. Elsewhere there has been no changes, except a border village near Donetsk Oblast (Novadarivka).

In Donetsk Oblast, Ukrainians captured 4 villages to the south of Velyka Novosilka. Russians are currently counterattacking, so we'll see by the end of the day if the Ukrainians can hold.

As a result, since the offensive has started Ukrainians have taken 4-5 settlements.

It seems the Ukrainians best shot at doing considerable damage is through the Volnovakha-Bilmak line in Southern Donetsk. The Zaporizhzhia line is heavily fortified with more defensive lines, and that seemingly, is why it's doing considerably better/won't budge.
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« Reply #22749 on: June 12, 2023, 06:10:30 AM »

All-in-all, it's early. But Russians are doing everything that they're supposed to do so far. No weakpoints have been exposed and their defensive lines haven't been breached.
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