Russia-Ukraine war and related tensions Megathread

[lfromnj]

There is this problem:

https://twitter.com/yarotrof/status/1506869254326566913

The Ukrainians are doing so much killing that they are running out of weapons and ammunition, esp. antitank and antiaircraft missiles.

We need to do better than this at supplying them weapons.

They are literally fighting the war for us, for our values.

Cringe, They are fighting for their own nation, you literally just posted Russian propaganda in how Ukraine is puppeted by the West .

 Poland fought for its own nation as well as our values in 1939. The 2 are not mutually exclusive.

Yeah Poland totally fought for Democratic values by working with Nazi Germany to take land from the only actual democracy in central Europe in 1938. Poland wasn't as bad as either Nazi Germany or the USSR but at the same time they weren't exactly a paragon of Democracy.

[NOVA Green]

WSJ has a new article up about the Berdyansk Russian ship deal...

Kyiv initially said the strike destroyed the Russian navy landing ship, Orsk. Ukrainian news reports named the targeted ship as Saratov, the same class of large landing ship as the Orsk

Ukraine’s new Neptune antiship missiles have a range of about 200 miles and haven’t been used in the conflict so far. Ukraine also has ballistic missiles with a known range of some 75 miles, though there may be modifications with a longer range.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraine-strikes-russian-navy-in-berdyansk-as-war-enters-second-month-11648119468


https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraine-strikes-russian-navy-in-berdyansk-as-war-enters-second-month-11648119468

[It’s so Joever]

There is this problem:

https://twitter.com/yarotrof/status/1506869254326566913

The Ukrainians are doing so much killing that they are running out of weapons and ammunition, esp. antitank and antiaircraft missiles.

We need to do better than this at supplying them weapons.

They are literally fighting the war for us, for our values.

Cringe, They are fighting for their own nation, you literally just posted Russian propaganda in how Ukraine is puppeted by the West .

 Poland fought for its own nation as well as our values in 1939. The 2 are not mutually exclusive.

Yeah Poland totally fought for Democratic values by working with Nazi Germany to take land from the only actual democracy in central Europe in 1938. Poland wasn't as bad as either Nazi Germany or the USSR but at the same time they weren't exactly a paragon of Democracy.

Lmao you’re sounding like those people who go “But Washington was racist!”

[Boobs]

If the goal is to actively cut the supply line, I still think a Zaporizhzhia->Vasylivka->Melitpol offensive would be better. Even then taking Melitopol would be extremely difficult and could result in a humiliating withdrawal.

(Or just do a #bigbrain move and do a landing from Nikopol to Enerhodar across the Dnieper, totally)

It’s heartening to see that Atlas is in the presence of a genius of military tactics.

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

If the goal is to actively cut the supply line, I still think a Zaporizhzhia->Vasylivka->Melitpol offensive would be better. Even then taking Melitopol would be extremely difficult and could result in a humiliating withdrawal.

(Or just do a #bigbrain move and do a landing from Nikopol to Enerhodar across the Dnieper, totally)

It’s heartening to see that Atlas is in the presence of a genius of military tactics.

Be fair. The Russian generals aren't doing much better.

[Storr]

Goalposts: moved

https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1507159260240752648?s=20&t=PzcBZn...

[Person Man]

Goalposts: moved

https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1507159260240752648?s=20&t=PzcBZn...

What are even chances that another would be long enough for Russian “victory”?

[NOVA Green]

Don't believe this has been mentioned yet, but recent BBC report about Russian abductions of civilians.

Long article and free website, but these are verifiable abductions / detentions of civilians in Russian Occupied Ukraine.

Ukrainians are being arbitrarily detained and subjected to enforced disappearances in Russian-controlled areas, the UN has told the BBC.

At least 36 cases of civilian detentions were verified by the UN, with families often denied any information about the fate of those being held.

Ukrainians say they fear an escalating campaign of kidnappings and intimidation, as Russia struggles to assert control over towns it captures.

Viktoriia Roshchyna, a journalist, was working in occupied areas in the east of the country when she was taken by unidentified men on 15 March.

Her employer, Hromadske media, said she "was probably detained by the FSB", Russia's internal intelligence service, based on witness accounts of her being taken in the city of Berdyansk.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60858363

[NOVA Green]

At what point will see a full-blown split within the Eastern Orthodox Church, which naturally would be a major religious schism, the like of which has not been seen in some time... ??

Thoughts Atlas Hive???

Ukraine war: The priest gunned down at a checkpoint

On the afternoon of 5 March, Rostyslav Dudarenko, the village priest, was at the Yasnohorodka checkpoint. His role was to check approaching vehicles. But like all military chaplains he was also there to offer the group spiritual support. He was dressed in civilian clothes.

It is not possible to establish exactly what happened, but one survivor of the attack, Yukhym (not his real name), told the BBC he had been manning the checkpoint with Dudarenko and around a dozen others when they learned three Russian tanks had driven through the village. He says the group decided to hide in the woods, ready to confront them if necessary.

As they approached the checkpoint, the Russian troops started "firing in all directions", Yukhym told the BBC. "When they realised we were hiding in the grass, they went off road to run us over with tanks."

He says the tanks had driven back to the road when Dudarenko decided to break cover.

"I saw Rostyslav raise the cross above his head, get up from his hideaway, screaming something and walking towards them. Perhaps he wanted to stop them. I tried to call him."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60778909

Other articles...

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-invasion-splits-orthodox-church-isolates-russian-patriarch-2022-03-14/

https://www.economist.com/europe/2022/03/21/russias-orthodox-church-paints-the-conflict-in-ukraine-as-a-holy-war

https://www.timesofisrael.com/local-clergy-affix-letter-calling-for-end-to-ukraine-war-to-jerusalem-russian-church/

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/250692/pope-francis-discusses-ukraine-war-with-russian-orthodox-leader

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/13/nyregion/russian-ukrainian-orthodox-churches.html

In an unusual move, more than 150 Russian Orthodox clerics have called for an immediate stop to the ongoing war in Ukraine in an open letter issued on March 1.

At least 176 Orthodox clerics said that they "respect the freedom of any person given to him or her by God," adding that the people of Ukraine "must make their own choices by themselves, not at the point of assault rifles and without pressure from either West or East."

The letter says the clerics “bewail” the suffering that has been “undeservingly imposed on our brothers and sisters in Ukraine.”

It is very rare for such a large number of religious clerics of the Orthodox Church to openly challenge President Vladimir Putin's government. In recent years, the Russian Orthodox Church and its leader, Patriarch Kirill, who did not sign the letter, have fully supported Putin's policies.

https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-orthodox-clerics-stop-war-ukrane/31730667.html

[AndyHogan14]

I am seeing chatter online that is claiming that the entirety of the Mykolaiv Oblast has been cleared of Russian forces. If that turns out to be true, then Ukraine could make a push towards Kherson.

In the south, retaking Kherson needs to be the highest priority being that the "land bridge" between Crimea and the Donbas would then be blocked.

I think you are geographically confused.  Check Google Maps.  I am assuming you mean that the highest priority for Ukraine is to push the Russians back across the Dneiper from Kherson, and prevent them from re-establishing a foothold on the western bank from which they can then attack Odessa overland.  

I suspect he's referring to the whole of Kherson Oblast, not just the city. Both routes to Crimea go through Kherson Obl.

Yes, I was talking about the whole oblast (more specifically the roads coming to/from Crimea). Of course, retaking the city itself is critical when it comes to retaking the whole region. I don't know what resources they have in the south, but if they can indeed block Crimea, that could turn the whole war in the south.

EDIT: If they do not have the capability to retake large swaths of the oblast back, the city itself would be a major gain and would keep Odesa safe while also being a huge PR coup.

[jojoju1998]

At what point will see a full-blown split within the Eastern Orthodox Church, which naturally would be a major religious schism, the like of which has not been seen in some time... ??

Thoughts Atlas Hive???

Ukraine war: The priest gunned down at a checkpoint

On the afternoon of 5 March, Rostyslav Dudarenko, the village priest, was at the Yasnohorodka checkpoint. His role was to check approaching vehicles. But like all military chaplains he was also there to offer the group spiritual support. He was dressed in civilian clothes.

It is not possible to establish exactly what happened, but one survivor of the attack, Yukhym (not his real name), told the BBC he had been manning the checkpoint with Dudarenko and around a dozen others when they learned three Russian tanks had driven through the village. He says the group decided to hide in the woods, ready to confront them if necessary.

As they approached the checkpoint, the Russian troops started "firing in all directions", Yukhym told the BBC. "When they realised we were hiding in the grass, they went off road to run us over with tanks."

He says the tanks had driven back to the road when Dudarenko decided to break cover.

"I saw Rostyslav raise the cross above his head, get up from his hideaway, screaming something and walking towards them. Perhaps he wanted to stop them. I tried to call him."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60778909

Other articles...

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-invasion-splits-orthodox-church-isolates-russian-patriarch-2022-03-14/

https://www.economist.com/europe/2022/03/21/russias-orthodox-church-paints-the-conflict-in-ukraine-as-a-holy-war

https://www.timesofisrael.com/local-clergy-affix-letter-calling-for-end-to-ukraine-war-to-jerusalem-russian-church/

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/250692/pope-francis-discusses-ukraine-war-with-russian-orthodox-leader

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/13/nyregion/russian-ukrainian-orthodox-churches.html

In an unusual move, more than 150 Russian Orthodox clerics have called for an immediate stop to the ongoing war in Ukraine in an open letter issued on March 1.

At least 176 Orthodox clerics said that they "respect the freedom of any person given to him or her by God," adding that the people of Ukraine "must make their own choices by themselves, not at the point of assault rifles and without pressure from either West or East."

The letter says the clerics “bewail” the suffering that has been “undeservingly imposed on our brothers and sisters in Ukraine.”

It is very rare for such a large number of religious clerics of the Orthodox Church to openly challenge President Vladimir Putin's government. In recent years, the Russian Orthodox Church and its leader, Patriarch Kirill, who did not sign the letter, have fully supported Putin's policies.

https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-orthodox-clerics-stop-war-ukrane/31730667.html

The Russian Orthodox Church and the Ecumenical Patriarch already declared each other to be in schism in 2019 over the status of the Orthodox Church in you guess it, Ukraine. There are technically two Orthodox Churches in Ukraine now..

[It’s so Joever]

If the goal is to actively cut the supply line, I still think a Zaporizhzhia->Vasylivka->Melitpol offensive would be better. Even then taking Melitopol would be extremely difficult and could result in a humiliating withdrawal.

(Or just do a #bigbrain move and do a landing from Nikopol to Enerhodar across the Dnieper, totally)

It’s heartening to see that Atlas is in the presence of a genius of military tactics.

What can I say, I have the biggest brain tactics.

[Hindsight was 2020]

https://mobile.twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1507194081671274499

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://mobile.twitter.com/EerikNKross/status/1507080906334425089

[Person Man]

https://mobile.twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1507194081671274499

Again, how many of Russia’s kids must die before they go home?

[brucejoel99]

https://mobile.twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1507194081671274499

Scuba gear isn't as expensive as the DIA thinks

[Badger]

There is this problem:

https://twitter.com/yarotrof/status/1506869254326566913

The Ukrainians are doing so much killing that they are running out of weapons and ammunition, esp. antitank and antiaircraft missiles.

We need to do better than this at supplying them weapons.

They are literally fighting the war for us, for our values.

Cringe, They are fighting for their own nation, you literally just posted Russian propaganda in how Ukraine is puppeted by the West .

 Poland fought for its own nation as well as our values in 1939. The 2 are not mutually exclusive.

Yeah Poland totally fought for Democratic values by working with Nazi Germany to take land from the only actual democracy in central Europe in 1938. Poland wasn't as bad as either Nazi Germany or the USSR but at the same time they weren't exactly a paragon of Democracy.

 And neither is Ukraine, though markedly better than Poland and the 2nd Republic. But still, light years ahead of its opponent.  And to the extent that fighting anti authoritarianism and fascit's unfashionable was our value values, they were undoubtedly fighting for it. Ditto for Ukraine.

 And let's not forget that whole belief in International law thing by respecting other countries established sovereign borders. Fighting the concept of "might makes right" is very much our values.

[NOVA Green]

At what point will see a full-blown split within the Eastern Orthodox Church, which naturally would be a major religious schism, the like of which has not been seen in some time... ??

Thoughts Atlas Hive???

Ukraine war: The priest gunned down at a checkpoint

On the afternoon of 5 March, Rostyslav Dudarenko, the village priest, was at the Yasnohorodka checkpoint. His role was to check approaching vehicles. But like all military chaplains he was also there to offer the group spiritual support. He was dressed in civilian clothes.

It is not possible to establish exactly what happened, but one survivor of the attack, Yukhym (not his real name), told the BBC he had been manning the checkpoint with Dudarenko and around a dozen others when they learned three Russian tanks had driven through the village. He says the group decided to hide in the woods, ready to confront them if necessary.

As they approached the checkpoint, the Russian troops started "firing in all directions", Yukhym told the BBC. "When they realised we were hiding in the grass, they went off road to run us over with tanks."

He says the tanks had driven back to the road when Dudarenko decided to break cover.

"I saw Rostyslav raise the cross above his head, get up from his hideaway, screaming something and walking towards them. Perhaps he wanted to stop them. I tried to call him."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60778909

Other articles...

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-invasion-splits-orthodox-church-isolates-russian-patriarch-2022-03-14/

https://www.economist.com/europe/2022/03/21/russias-orthodox-church-paints-the-conflict-in-ukraine-as-a-holy-war

https://www.timesofisrael.com/local-clergy-affix-letter-calling-for-end-to-ukraine-war-to-jerusalem-russian-church/

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/250692/pope-francis-discusses-ukraine-war-with-russian-orthodox-leader

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/13/nyregion/russian-ukrainian-orthodox-churches.html

In an unusual move, more than 150 Russian Orthodox clerics have called for an immediate stop to the ongoing war in Ukraine in an open letter issued on March 1.

At least 176 Orthodox clerics said that they "respect the freedom of any person given to him or her by God," adding that the people of Ukraine "must make their own choices by themselves, not at the point of assault rifles and without pressure from either West or East."

The letter says the clerics “bewail” the suffering that has been “undeservingly imposed on our brothers and sisters in Ukraine.”

It is very rare for such a large number of religious clerics of the Orthodox Church to openly challenge President Vladimir Putin's government. In recent years, the Russian Orthodox Church and its leader, Patriarch Kirill, who did not sign the letter, have fully supported Putin's policies.

https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-orthodox-clerics-stop-war-ukrane/31730667.html

The Russian Orthodox Church and the Ecumenical Patriarch already declared each other to be in schism in 2019 over the status of the Orthodox Church in you guess it, Ukraine. There are technically two Orthodox Churches in Ukraine now..

Got it, but however we are talking about many other countries and roughly 220 Million Baptised members.

Obviously like Mark Twain once famously said, "There are Lies... Damned Lies... and then there are statistics".

Still, outside of Russia proper looking like there are many communities perhaps from the Eastern Orthodox Religion quite likely to break with the with the "top dog" Putin sycophant, anti-gay leader of the Church???

https://www.highpoint-associates.com/2017/06/lies-damned-lies-statistics/#:~:text=The%20full%20quote%20%E2%80%94%20%E2%80%9CThere%20are,it%20in%20the%20first%20place.

Romania (82%)
Belarus (48-73%)
Greece (95-98%)
Serbia (97%)
Bulgaria (88%)
Moldova (93%)
Georgia (84%)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Orthodoxy_by_country

[pppolitics]

Is there any chance that that request could be fulfilled?

https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/1507191069557071872

[pppolitics]

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

At what point will see a full-blown split within the Eastern Orthodox Church, which naturally would be a major religious schism, the like of which has not been seen in some time... ??

Thoughts Atlas Hive???

Ukraine war: The priest gunned down at a checkpoint

On the afternoon of 5 March, Rostyslav Dudarenko, the village priest, was at the Yasnohorodka checkpoint. His role was to check approaching vehicles. But like all military chaplains he was also there to offer the group spiritual support. He was dressed in civilian clothes.

It is not possible to establish exactly what happened, but one survivor of the attack, Yukhym (not his real name), told the BBC he had been manning the checkpoint with Dudarenko and around a dozen others when they learned three Russian tanks had driven through the village. He says the group decided to hide in the woods, ready to confront them if necessary.

As they approached the checkpoint, the Russian troops started "firing in all directions", Yukhym told the BBC. "When they realised we were hiding in the grass, they went off road to run us over with tanks."

He says the tanks had driven back to the road when Dudarenko decided to break cover.

"I saw Rostyslav raise the cross above his head, get up from his hideaway, screaming something and walking towards them. Perhaps he wanted to stop them. I tried to call him."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60778909

Other articles...

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-invasion-splits-orthodox-church-isolates-russian-patriarch-2022-03-14/

https://www.economist.com/europe/2022/03/21/russias-orthodox-church-paints-the-conflict-in-ukraine-as-a-holy-war

https://www.timesofisrael.com/local-clergy-affix-letter-calling-for-end-to-ukraine-war-to-jerusalem-russian-church/

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/250692/pope-francis-discusses-ukraine-war-with-russian-orthodox-leader

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/13/nyregion/russian-ukrainian-orthodox-churches.html

In an unusual move, more than 150 Russian Orthodox clerics have called for an immediate stop to the ongoing war in Ukraine in an open letter issued on March 1.

At least 176 Orthodox clerics said that they "respect the freedom of any person given to him or her by God," adding that the people of Ukraine "must make their own choices by themselves, not at the point of assault rifles and without pressure from either West or East."

The letter says the clerics “bewail” the suffering that has been “undeservingly imposed on our brothers and sisters in Ukraine.”

It is very rare for such a large number of religious clerics of the Orthodox Church to openly challenge President Vladimir Putin's government. In recent years, the Russian Orthodox Church and its leader, Patriarch Kirill, who did not sign the letter, have fully supported Putin's policies.

https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-orthodox-clerics-stop-war-ukrane/31730667.html

The Russian Orthodox Church and the Ecumenical Patriarch already declared each other to be in schism in 2019 over the status of the Orthodox Church in you guess it, Ukraine. There are technically two Orthodox Churches in Ukraine now..

Got it, but however we are talking about many other countries and roughly 220 Million Baptised members.

Obviously like Mark Twain once famously said, "There are Lies... Damned Lies... and then there are statistics".

Still, outside of Russia proper looking like there are many communities perhaps from the Eastern Orthodox Religion quite likely to break with the with the "top dog" Putin sycophant, anti-gay leader of the Church???

https://www.highpoint-associates.com/2017/06/lies-damned-lies-statistics/#:~:text=The%20full%20quote%20%E2%80%94%20%E2%80%9CThere%20are,it%20in%20the%20first%20place.

Romania (82%)
Belarus (48-73%)
Greece (95-98%)
Serbia (97%)
Bulgaria (88%)
Moldova (93%)
Georgia (84%)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Orthodoxy_by_country

Kirill is not the leader (technically first among equals; Orthodoxy does not have an equivalent to Catholicism's centralized papacy) of the Eastern Orthodox churches; Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew is, and most other Orthodox churches sided with him when the Moscow Patriarchate had its hissy fit in 2019. The Russian Orthodox Church commands a certain respect and prestige because it's by far the largest and because of its undeniably vast storehouse of artistic and cultural treasures, but Kirill himself has no special status among other Orthodox patriarchs except what he gets from being a caesaropapist hanger-on to a major world leader.

[NOVA Green]

At what point will see a full-blown split within the Eastern Orthodox Church, which naturally would be a major religious schism, the like of which has not been seen in some time... ??

Thoughts Atlas Hive???

Ukraine war: The priest gunned down at a checkpoint

On the afternoon of 5 March, Rostyslav Dudarenko, the village priest, was at the Yasnohorodka checkpoint. His role was to check approaching vehicles. But like all military chaplains he was also there to offer the group spiritual support. He was dressed in civilian clothes.

It is not possible to establish exactly what happened, but one survivor of the attack, Yukhym (not his real name), told the BBC he had been manning the checkpoint with Dudarenko and around a dozen others when they learned three Russian tanks had driven through the village. He says the group decided to hide in the woods, ready to confront them if necessary.

As they approached the checkpoint, the Russian troops started "firing in all directions", Yukhym told the BBC. "When they realised we were hiding in the grass, they went off road to run us over with tanks."

He says the tanks had driven back to the road when Dudarenko decided to break cover.

"I saw Rostyslav raise the cross above his head, get up from his hideaway, screaming something and walking towards them. Perhaps he wanted to stop them. I tried to call him."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60778909

Other articles...

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-invasion-splits-orthodox-church-isolates-russian-patriarch-2022-03-14/

https://www.economist.com/europe/2022/03/21/russias-orthodox-church-paints-the-conflict-in-ukraine-as-a-holy-war

https://www.timesofisrael.com/local-clergy-affix-letter-calling-for-end-to-ukraine-war-to-jerusalem-russian-church/

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/250692/pope-francis-discusses-ukraine-war-with-russian-orthodox-leader

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/13/nyregion/russian-ukrainian-orthodox-churches.html

In an unusual move, more than 150 Russian Orthodox clerics have called for an immediate stop to the ongoing war in Ukraine in an open letter issued on March 1.

At least 176 Orthodox clerics said that they "respect the freedom of any person given to him or her by God," adding that the people of Ukraine "must make their own choices by themselves, not at the point of assault rifles and without pressure from either West or East."

The letter says the clerics “bewail” the suffering that has been “undeservingly imposed on our brothers and sisters in Ukraine.”

It is very rare for such a large number of religious clerics of the Orthodox Church to openly challenge President Vladimir Putin's government. In recent years, the Russian Orthodox Church and its leader, Patriarch Kirill, who did not sign the letter, have fully supported Putin's policies.

https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-orthodox-clerics-stop-war-ukrane/31730667.html

The Russian Orthodox Church and the Ecumenical Patriarch already declared each other to be in schism in 2019 over the status of the Orthodox Church in you guess it, Ukraine. There are technically two Orthodox Churches in Ukraine now..

Got it, but however we are talking about many other countries and roughly 220 Million Baptised members.

Obviously like Mark Twain once famously said, "There are Lies... Damned Lies... and then there are statistics".

Still, outside of Russia proper looking like there are many communities perhaps from the Eastern Orthodox Religion quite likely to break with the with the "top dog" Putin sycophant, anti-gay leader of the Church???

https://www.highpoint-associates.com/2017/06/lies-damned-lies-statistics/#:~:text=The%20full%20quote%20%E2%80%94%20%E2%80%9CThere%20are,it%20in%20the%20first%20place.

Romania (82%)
Belarus (48-73%)
Greece (95-98%)
Serbia (97%)
Bulgaria (88%)
Moldova (93%)
Georgia (84%)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Orthodoxy_by_country

Kirill is not the leader (technically first among equals; Orthodoxy does not have an equivalent to Catholicism's centralized papacy) of the Eastern Orthodox churches; Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew is, and most other Orthodox churches sided with him when the Moscow Patriarchate had its hissy fit in 2019. The Russian Orthodox Church commands a certain respect and prestige because it's by far the largest and because of its undeniably vast storehouse of artistic and cultural treasures, but Kirill himself has no special status among other Orthodox patriarchs except what he gets from being a caesaropapist hanger-on to a major world leader.

Atlas burped and am assuming a server reset scene, but you making some good points there.

Anybody been monitoring Eastern Orthodox church vibes elsewhere within the counties mentioned upthread?

There are obviously a couple NATO nations listed, as well as a couple former Soviet Republic Nations...

[NOVA Green]

Meanwhile one of my favorite large circulated English Newspapers The Guardian:

These accounts appear to be corroborated by a senior Pentagon official who said Russia is running out of precision guided munitions and it is more likely to rely on so-called dumb bombs and artillery. Under Secretary of Defense for Policy Colin Kahl said Russia is suffering high failure rates as high as 60% for some of its precision-guided missiles while its forces have taken heavy casualties and are low on supplies.

The UK’s ministry of defence said Ukraine is striking “high value targets” that is forcing Russian forces to divert resources to defend their supply lines. It cited the attacks on a landing ship and ammunition storage depots at Berdyansk as examples of valuable targets. “It is likely that the Ukrainians will continue to target logistical assets in Russian-held areas. This will force the Russian military to prioritise the defence of their supply chain” and reduce ability to carry out offensive operations.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/mar/25/ukraine-war-latest-news-sanctions-a-little-late-zelenskiy-tells-european-council-biden-to-visit-poland-live

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

At what point will see a full-blown split within the Eastern Orthodox Church, which naturally would be a major religious schism, the like of which has not been seen in some time... ??

Thoughts Atlas Hive???

Ukraine war: The priest gunned down at a checkpoint

On the afternoon of 5 March, Rostyslav Dudarenko, the village priest, was at the Yasnohorodka checkpoint. His role was to check approaching vehicles. But like all military chaplains he was also there to offer the group spiritual support. He was dressed in civilian clothes.

It is not possible to establish exactly what happened, but one survivor of the attack, Yukhym (not his real name), told the BBC he had been manning the checkpoint with Dudarenko and around a dozen others when they learned three Russian tanks had driven through the village. He says the group decided to hide in the woods, ready to confront them if necessary.

As they approached the checkpoint, the Russian troops started "firing in all directions", Yukhym told the BBC. "When they realised we were hiding in the grass, they went off road to run us over with tanks."

He says the tanks had driven back to the road when Dudarenko decided to break cover.

"I saw Rostyslav raise the cross above his head, get up from his hideaway, screaming something and walking towards them. Perhaps he wanted to stop them. I tried to call him."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60778909

Other articles...

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-invasion-splits-orthodox-church-isolates-russian-patriarch-2022-03-14/

https://www.economist.com/europe/2022/03/21/russias-orthodox-church-paints-the-conflict-in-ukraine-as-a-holy-war

https://www.timesofisrael.com/local-clergy-affix-letter-calling-for-end-to-ukraine-war-to-jerusalem-russian-church/

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/250692/pope-francis-discusses-ukraine-war-with-russian-orthodox-leader

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/13/nyregion/russian-ukrainian-orthodox-churches.html

In an unusual move, more than 150 Russian Orthodox clerics have called for an immediate stop to the ongoing war in Ukraine in an open letter issued on March 1.

At least 176 Orthodox clerics said that they "respect the freedom of any person given to him or her by God," adding that the people of Ukraine "must make their own choices by themselves, not at the point of assault rifles and without pressure from either West or East."

The letter says the clerics “bewail” the suffering that has been “undeservingly imposed on our brothers and sisters in Ukraine.”

It is very rare for such a large number of religious clerics of the Orthodox Church to openly challenge President Vladimir Putin's government. In recent years, the Russian Orthodox Church and its leader, Patriarch Kirill, who did not sign the letter, have fully supported Putin's policies.

https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-orthodox-clerics-stop-war-ukrane/31730667.html

The Russian Orthodox Church and the Ecumenical Patriarch already declared each other to be in schism in 2019 over the status of the Orthodox Church in you guess it, Ukraine. There are technically two Orthodox Churches in Ukraine now..

Got it, but however we are talking about many other countries and roughly 220 Million Baptised members.

Obviously like Mark Twain once famously said, "There are Lies... Damned Lies... and then there are statistics".

Still, outside of Russia proper looking like there are many communities perhaps from the Eastern Orthodox Religion quite likely to break with the with the "top dog" Putin sycophant, anti-gay leader of the Church???

https://www.highpoint-associates.com/2017/06/lies-damned-lies-statistics/#:~:text=The%20full%20quote%20%E2%80%94%20%E2%80%9CThere%20are,it%20in%20the%20first%20place.

Romania (82%)
Belarus (48-73%)
Greece (95-98%)
Serbia (97%)
Bulgaria (88%)
Moldova (93%)
Georgia (84%)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Orthodoxy_by_country

Kirill is not the leader (technically first among equals; Orthodoxy does not have an equivalent to Catholicism's centralized papacy) of the Eastern Orthodox churches; Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew is, and most other Orthodox churches sided with him when the Moscow Patriarchate had its hissy fit in 2019. The Russian Orthodox Church commands a certain respect and prestige because it's by far the largest and because of its undeniably vast storehouse of artistic and cultural treasures, but Kirill himself has no special status among other Orthodox patriarchs except what he gets from being a caesaropapist hanger-on to a major world leader.

Atlas burped and am assuming a server reset scene, but you making some good points there.

Anybody been monitoring Eastern Orthodox church vibes elsewhere within the counties mentioned upthread?

There are obviously a couple NATO nations listed, as well as a couple former Soviet Republic Nations...

The mood in my local (Albany/Capital District) Eastern Orthodox scene is pro-Ukraine and anti-Kirill even in primarily Russian parishes, but given how strongly pro-Ukraine American public opinion is in general, I'm not as sure as I'd like to be that that's saying all that much.

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Meanwhile, yet another article similar to which I have posted before my censorship, looks like the "Far-Right" in Europe might be getting a bit of paddling on their backsides these days...

It was the sort of crowd you might expect on Amsterdam’s Leidseplein, around the corner from the Bulldog Palace marijuana café. Several dozen demonstrators—awkward young men, middle-aged couples and ageing hippies—turned out on March 13th to support Forum for Democracy (fvd), a far-right populist party that thinks covid is a hoax and blames Russia’s invasion of Ukraine on the West. A DJ played electronic dance music atop a trailer festooned with posters of Thierry Baudet, the fvd’s leader, a dandyish Eurosceptic with a phd in legal philosophy. The party has five seats in the Netherlands’ 150-seat parliament.

Soon Mr Baudet’s ally, Willem Engel, a dreadlocked salsa-dance instructor and covid-sceptic internet influencer, took the stage. “We cannot let ourselves get dragged into a war,” said Mr Engel, denouncing Dutch shipments of anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles to Ukraine’s defenders. The media, he said, was whipping up hatred towards Russians just as the Nazis had towards Jews. (“Ach, the media”, tutted a woman in the crowd.)

https://www.economist.com/europe/2022/03/21/the-invasion-of-ukraine-is-making-life-difficult-for-right-wing-populists?itm_source=parsely-api