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« Reply #3825 on: February 27, 2022, 03:04:26 PM »
Quote from: Old School Republican on February 27, 2022, 03:03:43 PM

Wow. Maybe the Ukrainian numbers that seemed ridiculous were right all along.
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« Reply #3826 on: February 27, 2022, 03:04:29 PM »
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« Reply #3827 on: February 27, 2022, 03:05:02 PM »
Quote from: STAND WITH UKRAINE on February 27, 2022, 03:02:21 PM
Quote from: Cody on February 27, 2022, 02:55:43 PM
Does Ukraine have drones? Wondering if us Americans could give them some.
Iirc they have been using Turkish donated drones.

And if I'm not mistaken just a week or two back the Ukrainian Defense Minister signed a deal with Turkey to get more.

Now key question would be, assuming they haven't already shipped, would be how to get them to Ukraine quickly where they might well be needed (assuming that Ukraine can still maintain the command and control needed to get them up and running).
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« Reply #3828 on: February 27, 2022, 03:05:13 PM »
Quote from: Слава Україні! 🇺🇦 on February 27, 2022, 03:04:29 PM
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« Reply #3829 on: February 27, 2022, 03:05:35 PM »
Quote from: Слава Україні! 🇺🇦 on February 27, 2022, 03:04:29 PM
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« Reply #3830 on: February 27, 2022, 03:06:16 PM »
Quote from: Old School Republican on February 27, 2022, 03:03:43 PM


Wow--- amazed that this would actually be published by a state run media outlet.
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« Reply #3831 on: February 27, 2022, 03:08:52 PM »
That TASS release linked in the tweet doesn't provide numbers, and it claims Russian losses are less than Ukrainian losses. Anyone know what Russian source the twitter guy saw the 4,300 figure in?
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« Reply #3832 on: February 27, 2022, 03:09:24 PM »
« Edited: March 11, 2022, 12:34:56 PM by Слава Україні! 🇺🇦 »
Quote from: Southern Delegate Punxsutawney Phil on February 27, 2022, 03:03:48 PM
What impact do y'all think this war will have long-term, in regards to Turkey's role in NATO?

Sultan Erdogan will make Turan real and an integral part of NATO to dab on the Chinese.
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« Reply #3833 on: February 27, 2022, 03:10:11 PM »
Zelensky may have been a bad leader by conventional means, but he clearly is an amazing inspirer, which makes sense given his public relations skill.
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« Reply #3834 on: February 27, 2022, 03:10:45 PM »
Quote from: Слава Україні! 🇺🇦 on February 27, 2022, 03:09:24 PM
Quote from: Southern Delegate Punxsutawney Phil on February 27, 2022, 03:03:48 PM
What impact do y'all think this war will have long-term, in regards to Turkey's role in NATO?

Sultan Erdogan will make Turan real and an integral part of NATO to dab on the Chinese.
Recommended for sake of the A+ meme.
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« Reply #3835 on: February 27, 2022, 03:10:53 PM »
New York Times continues to deliver....

This was posted ~3-4 minutes ago

"Videos show Russian losses on outskirts of Kyiv.

After intense street battles on Sunday, footage verified by The Times showed the charred remains of Russian military vehicles on the outskirts of Ukraine’s capital, Kyiv.

Other video show Russian vehicles driving through the small city of Bucha, surrounded by sounds of heavy fighting, and  Russian troops firing at an Afghanistan War memorial of a military vehicle —  which they seem to have mistaken for Ukrainian forces.

The convoy of destroyed vehicles was filmed by a Ukrainian man along a road that leads from Bucha to Irpin, which is the next town en route to Kyiv.

A photo shared earlier in the day shows a large plume of smoke rising from the approximate location of a bridge connecting the two cities — an indication that yet another bridge may have been destroyed by Ukrainian forces to stop the Russian advance."


https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/02/27/world/russia-ukraine-war/videos-show-russian-losses-on-outskirts-of-kyiv
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« Reply #3836 on: February 27, 2022, 03:11:14 PM »
Quote from: NOVA Green on February 27, 2022, 03:05:02 PM
Quote from: STAND WITH UKRAINE on February 27, 2022, 03:02:21 PM
Quote from: Cody on February 27, 2022, 02:55:43 PM
Does Ukraine have drones? Wondering if us Americans could give them some.
Iirc they have been using Turkish donated drones.

And if I'm not mistaken just a week or two back the Ukrainian Defense Minister signed a deal with Turkey to get more.

Now key question would be, assuming they haven't already shipped, would be how to get them to Ukraine quickly where they might well be needed (assuming that Ukraine can still maintain the command and control needed to get them up and running).

According to the Wikipedia article on the "Ukrainian Air Force", their inventory includes:

- Bayraktar TB2 UCAVs of Turkish origin: 6 in service, 48 on order
- RQ-11 Raven surveillance drones of American origin: 72 in service

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Air_Force#Current_inventory
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« Reply #3837 on: February 27, 2022, 03:11:37 PM »
Quote from: Old School Republican on February 27, 2022, 03:03:43 PM

Wow, this is almost exactly in line with numbers the Ukrainians are putting out.

If Russian sources are confirming, it looks like it wasn’t as optimistic or inflated as we thought.
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« Reply #3838 on: February 27, 2022, 03:12:50 PM »
Quote from: Buffalo Mayor Young Kim on February 27, 2022, 03:11:37 PM
Quote from: Old School Republican on February 27, 2022, 03:03:43 PM

Wow, this is almost exactly in line with numbers the Ukrainians are putting out.

If Russian sources are confirming, it looks like it wasn’t as optimistic or inflated as we thought.

Ukraine doesn't need to inflate numbers if campaign is actually going bad for Russia.
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« Reply #3839 on: February 27, 2022, 03:15:08 PM »
https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/02/27/romney-russia-putin-geopolitical-foe-obama-sot-reax-bash-sotu-vpx.cnn

Wow Romney bashes President Bush here to just not Obama and Trump
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« Reply #3840 on: February 27, 2022, 03:15:29 PM »

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but the chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee opines that Russia's using just some of its cyberattack capacity.
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« Reply #3841 on: February 27, 2022, 03:18:08 PM »
Neither side will have exactly accurate casualty figures at present. But the numbers flying around are not unrealistic: mechanised war using high explosives can be extremely, extremely bloody. You should realise that the low casualty figures typical for conflicts involving Western and Western-style armies are because of particular tactical and doctrinal issues (and the fact that the conflicts are usually asymmetric) because large casualties are hard for the governments of democracies to sustain unless the cause is an animating one, not because of anything inherent to modern warfare. Quite the opposite.
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« Reply #3842 on: February 27, 2022, 03:18:43 PM »
Quote from: Cody on February 27, 2022, 03:08:52 PM
That TASS release linked in the tweet doesn't provide numbers, and it claims Russian losses are less than Ukrainian losses. Anyone know what Russian source the twitter guy saw the 4,300 figure in?

The Twitter poster is now saying the numbers have been removed.

"These figures have now been removed from the article. Unclear whats going on (e.g. inadvertent publication, hack). The article where these appeared (at the bottom of the page) was linked to on the front page of the..."
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« Reply #3843 on: February 27, 2022, 03:19:30 PM »

Bush pussied out on Russia just like Obama and Trump did
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« Reply #3844 on: February 27, 2022, 03:21:37 PM »
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« Reply #3845 on: February 27, 2022, 03:23:03 PM »
Quote from: NOVA Green on February 27, 2022, 03:18:43 PM
Quote from: Cody on February 27, 2022, 03:08:52 PM
That TASS release linked in the tweet doesn't provide numbers, and it claims Russian losses are less than Ukrainian losses. Anyone know what Russian source the twitter guy saw the 4,300 figure in?

The Twitter poster is now saying the numbers have been removed.

"These figures have now been removed from the article. Unclear whats going on (e.g. inadvertent publication, hack). The article where these appeared (at the bottom of the page) was linked to on the front page of the..."

It also looks like that might have been an Anonymous hack using official Russian MOD numbers (Sorry haven't spent much time playing around with embedding Tweets).



"Reportedly Tass website was hacked by Anonymous group and they published official data from Ukraine Ministry of Defense" Dmytro Chupryna
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« Reply #3846 on: February 27, 2022, 03:23:09 PM »

Bush was tricked by him. Obama was naive and Trump was complicit.
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« Reply #3847 on: February 27, 2022, 03:23:30 PM »

That's a fair analysis tbh
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« Reply #3848 on: February 27, 2022, 03:29:25 PM »

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« Reply #3849 on: February 27, 2022, 03:30:32 PM »

I would go so far as to say that we wouldn’t be talking about Russia now if 2016 was different.
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