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« Reply #1550 on: February 23, 2022, 11:25:11 PM »


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« Reply #1551 on: February 23, 2022, 11:25:30 PM »

They aren’t Iraq smh.
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« Reply #1552 on: February 23, 2022, 11:25:32 PM »


You're right, Seuss would impose Russian imperialism and the Ukranian invasion.
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« Reply #1553 on: February 23, 2022, 11:25:33 PM »


There were some left over from the Soviet era but I believe Russia took them back post '91.
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« Reply #1554 on: February 23, 2022, 11:26:10 PM »

If Ukraine wants self defense, that is their imperative. But then they aren’t saving “foreign children.”
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« Reply #1555 on: February 23, 2022, 11:26:21 PM »

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« Reply #1556 on: February 23, 2022, 11:26:43 PM »


There were some left over from the Soviet era but I believe Russia took them back post '91.
they gave them back under the sort of idea that what's happening now wouldn't happen.
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« Reply #1557 on: February 23, 2022, 11:28:10 PM »

Zelensky prepared his country so well against unnecessary panic that there are Ukrainians unaware they are being invaded...well done. Well done.



Victory to Ukraine.
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« Reply #1558 on: February 23, 2022, 11:28:12 PM »


Ukraine famously gave them up following the dissolution of the Soviet Union, in exchange for security assurances.
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« Reply #1559 on: February 23, 2022, 11:28:29 PM »

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« Reply #1560 on: February 23, 2022, 11:28:43 PM »

If Ukraine wants self defense, that is their imperative. But then they aren’t saving “foreign children.”

 Is there a single point about this cartoon that you have failed to grasp? You are literally batting like 0 for 3 right now..
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« Reply #1561 on: February 23, 2022, 11:28:50 PM »


There were some left over from the Soviet era but I believe Russia took them back post '91.
they gave them back under the sort of idea that what's happening now wouldn't happen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances

"The memorandum included security assurances against threats or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan.

As a result, between 1994 and 1996, Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons. Until then, Ukraine had the world's third-largest nuclear weapons stockpile, of which Ukraine had physical, but not operational, control. Russia alone controlled the codes needed to operate the nuclear weapons via Russian-controlled electronic Permissive Action Links and the Russian command and control system. Formally, these weapons were controlled by the Commonwealth of Independent States."
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« Reply #1562 on: February 23, 2022, 11:29:19 PM »


No. Ukraine had the third largest nuclear arsenal in the world (after Russia and the USA) after the dissolution of the USSR. They destroyed them in exchange for financial assistance and security assurances from Russia and the USA/UK.
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« Reply #1563 on: February 23, 2022, 11:29:40 PM »

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Ukraine’s deputy interior minister, Anton Gerashchenko, has also confirmed a Russian invasion has begun.

In a statement posted to his official Facebook page, the minister said:

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The invasion has begun. There have just been missiles on the military headquarters, airports, military warehouses, near Kyiv, Kharkiv, Dnieper.

Gunfire at the border is underway. From this day, there is a new geopolitical reality in the world”
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« Reply #1564 on: February 23, 2022, 11:29:50 PM »


Ukraine famously gave them up following the dissolution of the Soviet Union, in exchange for security assurances.

Yeah this is one of the basic facts people ought to know about this war.  Russia literally had to promise not to do exactly what they've spent the last 8 years doing to get Ukraine to give back their USSR-era nukes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine#Budapest_Memorandum
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« Reply #1565 on: February 23, 2022, 11:30:10 PM »

If Ukraine wants self defense, that is their imperative. But then they aren’t saving “foreign children.”

 Is there a single point about this cartoon that you have failed to grasp? You are Is literally batting like oh for 3 right now..
The USA, or any country for that matter, should not go to war on the behalf of Ukraine.
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« Reply #1566 on: February 23, 2022, 11:30:19 PM »

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« Reply #1567 on: February 23, 2022, 11:31:16 PM »

Ballistic missiles (non-nuclear) being reportedly fired at Kiev.

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« Reply #1568 on: February 23, 2022, 11:32:03 PM »

The USA, or any country for that matter, should not go to war on the behalf of Ukraine.

Congrats, you are the exact type of person that the comic is mocking.
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« Reply #1569 on: February 23, 2022, 11:32:38 PM »



I would be careful with this account. I saw a tweet from them a bit earlier that Biden and the government officials were being evacuated to underground bunkers/facilities. They seem to tweet out a lot of unverified information.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised if this was the case. The Ukrainian Navy was going to be a non-factor in any war.
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« Reply #1570 on: February 23, 2022, 11:32:45 PM »

The USA, or any country for that matter, should not go to war on the behalf of Ukraine.

Congrats, you are the exact type of person that the comic is mocking.

I oppose imperialism. And I’m proud of it.
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« Reply #1571 on: February 23, 2022, 11:32:45 PM »

For anyone who has Russian Bear on mute, here is a second source confirming the Jon Cooper tweet

https://www.washingtonpost.com/context/read-u-s-letter-to-the-u-n-alleging-russia-is-planning-human-rights-abuses-in-ukraine/93a8d6a1-5b44-4ae8-89e5-cd5d328dd150/?itid=lk_interstitial_manual_5
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« Reply #1572 on: February 23, 2022, 11:33:11 PM »

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« Reply #1573 on: February 23, 2022, 11:34:18 PM »

The USA, or any country for that matter, should not go to war on the behalf of Ukraine.

Congrats, you are the exact type of person that the comic is mocking.

I oppose imperialism. And I’m proud of it.
Defending Ukraine sovereignty is not imperialism you tankie clown
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« Reply #1574 on: February 23, 2022, 11:34:32 PM »

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