Patriot Party: DabbingSanta/GregTheGreat ticket

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Mostly based

I'd prioritize different issues (immigration, trade, and guns)

Feel free to shoot me a message with ideas.  I am open to adding positions on the platform, especially from fellow party members.

May I say, as LT's running mate back in June, that there was no fraud in that election. Sev won fairly and I want no part in any "big lie" redux.

LT did not refuse to concede the election for no reason.  The moderator in question who invalidated the votes was a Labor supporter. It should have been pursued, but the weak Federalist party did not want to back him up.  He is welcome to join the Patriots if he wants!  With better election laws, there will be zero election fraud.  Every vote should count.

No moderator invalidated your vote. Peebs invalidated your vote on the grounds that you posted twice in the voting booth, contrary to the election laws. This was evidence by the fact that the deleted vote was visible in the recycled posts board.   

I had a strict no deletion/editing policy in the voting booth until after certification from the time I became Board Moderator, this actually annoyed Virginia and others who like for reported posts to be acted on as soon as possible.

Whatever you may think of me, don't think for a minute that I had a hand in "invalidating your vote". You did that to yourself.

Virginia has since removed the ability to delete posts in the voting booth sub board, so what happened to you can never happen again, because you physically cannot delete your own vote.

Now the only area where people can screw themselves over and others in the process is via editing too late (20 minutes or afterwards).  

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Mostly based

I'd prioritize different issues (immigration, trade, and guns)

Feel free to shoot me a message with ideas.  I am open to adding positions on the platform, especially from fellow party members.

May I say, as LT's running mate back in June, that there was no fraud in that election. Sev won fairly and I want no part in any "big lie" redux.

LT did not refuse to concede the election for no reason.  The moderator in question who invalidated the votes was a Labor supporter. It should have been pursued, but the weak Federalist party did not want to back him up.  He is welcome to join the Patriots if he wants!  With better election laws, there will be zero election fraud.  Every vote should count.

No moderator invalidated your vote. Peebs invalidated your vote on the grounds that you posted twice in the voting booth, contrary to the election laws. This was evidence by the fact that the deleted vote was visible in the recycled posts board.   

I had a strict no deletion/editing policy in the voting booth until after certification from the time I became Board Moderator, this actually annoyed Virginia and others who like for reported posts to be acted on as soon as possible.

Whatever you may think of me, don't think for a minute that I had a hand in "invalidating your vote". You did that to yourself.

Virginia has since removed the ability to delete posts in the voting booth sub board, so what happened to you can never happen again, because you physically cannot delete your own vote.

Now the only area where people can screw themselves over and others in the process is via editing too late (20 minutes or afterwards). 

You can't even edit your ballot after that period anymore (obviously exempting you as mod). So actually the only way to invalidate your vote is to post in a voting booth twice.

There is no reason to change the election laws in any significant way. We just need good-faith attempts at making our voting intentions clear and good-faith interpretation of those ballots. But yes, problems we've had in the past are less likely to occur today.

I know you've felt differently but I don't believe there is any appetite for restricting ballots in any way such as those that contain personal attacks or comments. Though it should be discouraged so that people will air their grievances in AFE.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Mostly based

I'd prioritize different issues (immigration, trade, and guns)

Feel free to shoot me a message with ideas.  I am open to adding positions on the platform, especially from fellow party members.

May I say, as LT's running mate back in June, that there was no fraud in that election. Sev won fairly and I want no part in any "big lie" redux.

LT did not refuse to concede the election for no reason.  The moderator in question who invalidated the votes was a Labor supporter. It should have been pursued, but the weak Federalist party did not want to back him up.  He is welcome to join the Patriots if he wants!  With better election laws, there will be zero election fraud.  Every vote should count.

No moderator invalidated your vote. Peebs invalidated your vote on the grounds that you posted twice in the voting booth, contrary to the election laws. This was evidence by the fact that the deleted vote was visible in the recycled posts board.   

I had a strict no deletion/editing policy in the voting booth until after certification from the time I became Board Moderator, this actually annoyed Virginia and others who like for reported posts to be acted on as soon as possible.

Whatever you may think of me, don't think for a minute that I had a hand in "invalidating your vote". You did that to yourself.

Virginia has since removed the ability to delete posts in the voting booth sub board, so what happened to you can never happen again, because you physically cannot delete your own vote.

Now the only area where people can screw themselves over and others in the process is via editing too late (20 minutes or afterwards). 

You can't even edit your ballot after that period anymore (obviously exempting you as mod). So actually the only way to invalidate your vote is to post in a voting booth twice.

There is no reason to change the election laws in any significant way. We just need good-faith attempts at making our voting intentions clear and good-faith interpretation of those ballots. But yes, problems we've had in the past are less likely to occur today.

I know you've felt differently but I don't believe there is any appetite for restricting ballots in any way such as those that contain personal attacks or comments. Though it should be discouraged so that people will air their grievances in AFE.

"Felt differently" what does this last paragraph even refer to?

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Mostly based

I'd prioritize different issues (immigration, trade, and guns)

Feel free to shoot me a message with ideas.  I am open to adding positions on the platform, especially from fellow party members.

May I say, as LT's running mate back in June, that there was no fraud in that election. Sev won fairly and I want no part in any "big lie" redux.

LT did not refuse to concede the election for no reason.  The moderator in question who invalidated the votes was a Labor supporter. It should have been pursued, but the weak Federalist party did not want to back him up.  He is welcome to join the Patriots if he wants!  With better election laws, there will be zero election fraud.  Every vote should count.

No moderator invalidated your vote. Peebs invalidated your vote on the grounds that you posted twice in the voting booth, contrary to the election laws. This was evidence by the fact that the deleted vote was visible in the recycled posts board.   

I had a strict no deletion/editing policy in the voting booth until after certification from the time I became Board Moderator, this actually annoyed Virginia and others who like for reported posts to be acted on as soon as possible.

Whatever you may think of me, don't think for a minute that I had a hand in "invalidating your vote". You did that to yourself.

Virginia has since removed the ability to delete posts in the voting booth sub board, so what happened to you can never happen again, because you physically cannot delete your own vote.

Now the only area where people can screw themselves over and others in the process is via editing too late (20 minutes or afterwards). 

You can't even edit your ballot after that period anymore (obviously exempting you as mod). So actually the only way to invalidate your vote is to post in a voting booth twice.

There is no reason to change the election laws in any significant way. We just need good-faith attempts at making our voting intentions clear and good-faith interpretation of those ballots. But yes, problems we've had in the past are less likely to occur today.

I know you've felt differently but I don't believe there is any appetite for restricting ballots in any way such as those that contain personal attacks or comments. Though it should be discouraged so that people will air their grievances in AFE.

"Felt differently" what does this last paragraph even refer to?

Aren't or weren't you in favor of discounting ballots that contain commentary?

[Former President tack50]

-   I do not support federalism.  We need some form of intervention and power at the federal level to introduce meaningful policy change.  Supporting conservativism but believing that state level governments should have total control does little for those living under Labor rule.

> Says he doesn't support Federalism
> Procedes to decry Regionalism instead

Federalism /= Regionalism in all circumstances, though historically the Regional and Federalist Movements have been closely alligned.

For example, secessionist movements are an example of hyper regionalism, federalism opposes secessionism but also opposes the hyper centralism that leads people to seek secession in many cases. Federalism is precisely about balancing powers between the regional and central authorities.

Endorsing Centralism "for the sake of those living under Labor rule" is a license for labor to centralize authority under the same vein and since they have the muscle (and historically have had the muscle excepting the period of 2016-2018, to dominate the Presidency), you will get centralism yes, but with Laborism being the philosophy backed up by Nyman's brute force.

Considering Labor's firm grip on the Federal government (even if I think its foundation is much weaker than it used to be); I am surprised anyone right of centre would want to be anti-region, but I am sure the people of the South would appreciate liberation from their tyrannical regional government!

[Joseph Cao]

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You haven't proposed anything even remotely resembling "expanding voting rights," unless brigading the mod team over a Fantasyland election is supposed to count toward "expanding voting rights," so forgive me if I don't buy this fake news for a single nanosecond.

[DabbingSanta]

December 3rd, 2021 address

Hello and good evening to everyone, especially the amazing people who continue to stick by my side.  Tonight, I am here to address concerns the media and establishment have brought up in recent weeks regarding my candidacy.  First off, I am not for abolishing state governments.  My comments about federalism were addressing excuses made by current politicians who have tainted conservatism and given the Labor party eight straight election victories.  We cannot let limited government be an excuse for inaction and lollygagging while liberals and socialists continue to radically shift our society.  Let it be known that I will respect the rights of states to govern themselves, as long as they do not violate federal law.  We are a nation of states, and I respect our democratic institutions without question.

My other point is about the June 2021 presidential election and allegations of voter fraud.  I accept that the election was certified for Sev, who was in my opinion quite a terrible president.  I mean, look at the mess we’re in.  But I digress.  The problem we have here is that legitimate ballots were cast aside by picayune and outdated voting laws by politically biased vote counters.  There have been efforts to fix this, and I applaud them.  But I still believe we need to do more to make sure that every vote counts.  And let the record be known that I am the only candidate who supports this.  The establishment does not want new voters or new parties, and they will do everything in their power to keep the status quo running this country.  And I say to hell with them.  It’s two sides of the same coin, and everyone knows it.  We need to take action now and drain the swamp to make Atlasia truly great again.  Thank you, and may Dave bless this great nation of ours.

[WD]

December 3rd, 2021 address

Hello and good evening to everyone, especially the amazing people who continue to stick by my side.  Tonight, I am here to address concerns the media and establishment have brought up in recent weeks regarding my candidacy.  First off, I am not for abolishing state governments.  My comments about federalism were addressing excuses made by current politicians who have tainted conservatism and given the Labor party eight straight election victories.  We cannot let limited government be an excuse for inaction and lollygagging while liberals and socialists continue to radically shift our society.  Let it be known that I will respect the rights of states to govern themselves, as long as they do not violate federal law.  We are a nation of states, and I respect our democratic institutions without question.

My other point is about the June 2021 presidential election and allegations of voter fraud.  I accept that the election was certified for Sev, who was in my opinion quite a terrible president.  I mean, look at the mess we’re in.  But I digress.  The problem we have here is that legitimate ballots were cast aside by picayune and outdated voting laws by politically biased vote counters.  There have been efforts to fix this, and I applaud them.  But I still believe we need to do more to make sure that every vote counts.  And let the record be known that I am the only candidate who supports this.  The establishment does not want new voters or new parties, and they will do everything in their power to keep the status quo running this country.  And I say to hell with them.  It’s two sides of the same coin, and everyone knows it.  We need to take action now and drain the swamp to make Atlasia truly great again.  Thank you, and may Dave bless this great nation of ours.

Some very vague platitudes and talking points here. Would you care to explain what’s being done that’s so bad? What exactly is it that can only be fixed by the Patriot Party?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Mostly based

I'd prioritize different issues (immigration, trade, and guns)

Feel free to shoot me a message with ideas.  I am open to adding positions on the platform, especially from fellow party members.

May I say, as LT's running mate back in June, that there was no fraud in that election. Sev won fairly and I want no part in any "big lie" redux.

LT did not refuse to concede the election for no reason.  The moderator in question who invalidated the votes was a Labor supporter. It should have been pursued, but the weak Federalist party did not want to back him up.  He is welcome to join the Patriots if he wants!  With better election laws, there will be zero election fraud.  Every vote should count.

No moderator invalidated your vote. Peebs invalidated your vote on the grounds that you posted twice in the voting booth, contrary to the election laws. This was evidence by the fact that the deleted vote was visible in the recycled posts board.   

I had a strict no deletion/editing policy in the voting booth until after certification from the time I became Board Moderator, this actually annoyed Virginia and others who like for reported posts to be acted on as soon as possible.

Whatever you may think of me, don't think for a minute that I had a hand in "invalidating your vote". You did that to yourself.

Virginia has since removed the ability to delete posts in the voting booth sub board, so what happened to you can never happen again, because you physically cannot delete your own vote.

Now the only area where people can screw themselves over and others in the process is via editing too late (20 minutes or afterwards). 

You can't even edit your ballot after that period anymore (obviously exempting you as mod). So actually the only way to invalidate your vote is to post in a voting booth twice.

There is no reason to change the election laws in any significant way. We just need good-faith attempts at making our voting intentions clear and good-faith interpretation of those ballots. But yes, problems we've had in the past are less likely to occur today.

I know you've felt differently but I don't believe there is any appetite for restricting ballots in any way such as those that contain personal attacks or comments. Though it should be discouraged so that people will air their grievances in AFE.

"Felt differently" what does this last paragraph even refer to?

Aren't or weren't you in favor of discounting ballots that contain commentary?

Well yes, partially because it is an invitation for "posting of potentially moderatable content" and if there is one thing I sure as hell don't want to be in the position of, it is having to moderate a vote because some decided to "send a message to Fhtagn" or "send a message to Dwarven Dragon".

As it stands now I am being falsely accused of invalidating Santa's vote, which I had 100% no connection with at all.

Just imagine what would happen if I had to moderate the decisive Laborite vote for President?

You say campaigning in the voting booth should be discouraged, that is how you discourage it. There are only 3 enforcement mechanisms in this game

1. Vote Invalidation
2. Ban from Voting
3. Ban from holding office

2 and 3 are the usual penalties for conviction in a trial, 1 is typically how unsavory voting booth actions are discouraged. Frivolous posts, posting twice etc.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Hello and good evening to everyone, especially the amazing people who continue to stick by my side.  Tonight, I am here to address concerns the media and establishment have brought up in recent weeks regarding my candidacy.  First off, I am not for abolishing state governments.  My comments about federalism were addressing excuses made by current politicians who have tainted conservatism and given the Labor party eight straight election victories.  We cannot let limited government be an excuse for inaction and lollygagging while liberals and socialists continue to radically shift our society.  Let it be known that I will respect the rights of states to govern themselves, as long as they do not violate federal law.  We are a nation of states, and I respect our democratic institutions without question.

Notice here folks he emphasizes the non-playable states, but not the playable regions.

This is the oldest centralist ploy in the book, claim to be for "state's rights" then proceed to strip the regions of their powers.

What you are too stubborn to understand is, "The Left" has dominated this game since 2004.

2016-2018 was the exception made possible because of the years of work by people like AHDuke99, PiT, Tmthforu94 and myself among many others building it up over years upon years, the confluence of Obama's term pushing a more diverse crowd onto the forum that could be brought into a center right umbrella and the implosion of the left's registration edge in mid to late 2015. This was then kept alive in 2017 and into early 2018 because DFW was able to pull in a massive number of leftwing defectors. Late 2018 unraveled this with a surge of pissed of lefties coming on the site, hungry to "smash the Trumpists", Labor rebuilt itself on the back of this wave and nothing has really countered it since.

Any "so called" conservative pushing a centralist approach is at best ignorant of the history or at worst a plant by the left. Any empowerment of the federal government will 80% of the time be to the empowerment of the left.

My other point is about the June 2021 presidential election and allegations of voter fraud.  I accept that the election was certified for Sev, who was in my opinion quite a terrible president.  I mean, look at the mess we’re in.  But I digress.  The problem we have here is that legitimate ballots were cast aside by picayune and outdated voting laws by politically biased vote counters.  There have been efforts to fix this, and I applaud them.  But I still believe we need to do more to make sure that every vote counts.  And let the record be known that I am the only candidate who supports this.  The establishment does not want new voters or new parties, and they will do everything in their power to keep the status quo running this country.  And I say to hell with them.  It’s two sides of the same coin, and everyone knows it.  We need to take action now and drain the swamp to make Atlasia truly great again.  Thank you, and may Dave bless this great nation of ours.
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"Its not my fault, it's the damn laws"  

Before it was:
"Its not my fault, it's the damn mod's fault"

Sounds just like:
"Its not my fault, it's the damn Regions"

"It's not my fault, it's the damn bicameralism"

If it quacks like a centralist, it probably is a centralist.

1. You invalidated your own vote by posting twice.
2. You tried to cover it up by deleting the first vote, not realizing that deleted votes are visible to and can be restored by the Mod team.
3. You help cost us our best chance at breaking the Laborite monopoly in 2 years.

[DabbingSanta]

Some very vague platitudes and talking points here. Would you care to explain what’s being done that’s so bad? What exactly is it that can only be fixed by the Patriot Party?

The Patriot Party is the only movement that is one hundred percent committed to draining the swamp and making Atlasia great again.  The Federalists and Laborites are part of an establishment that promotes an inactive electorate and boring, stagnant government.  The October 2021 presidential election had the lowest voter turnout in recent history.  It is obvious that people are clamoring for real, exciting policies that will transform our nation, and not the old status quo.

[KaiserDave]

Some very vague platitudes and talking points here. Would you care to explain what’s being done that’s so bad? What exactly is it that can only be fixed by the Patriot Party?

The Patriot Party is the only movement that is one hundred percent committed to draining the swamp and making Atlasia great again.  The Federalists and Laborites are part of an establishment that promotes an inactive electorate and boring, stagnant government.  The October 2021 presidential election had the lowest voter turnout in recent history.  It is obvious that people are clamoring for real, exciting policies that will transform our nation, and not the old status quo.

Very vague, much platitude! What are you actually going to do?

[DabbingSanta]

Some very vague platitudes and talking points here. Would you care to explain what’s being done that’s so bad? What exactly is it that can only be fixed by the Patriot Party?

The Patriot Party is the only movement that is one hundred percent committed to draining the swamp and making Atlasia great again.  The Federalists and Laborites are part of an establishment that promotes an inactive electorate and boring, stagnant government.  The October 2021 presidential election had the lowest voter turnout in recent history.  It is obvious that people are clamoring for real, exciting policies that will transform our nation, and not the old status quo.

Very vague, much platitude! What are you actually going to do?

You can look at my campaign platform, which I have updated today, for more information.

A TL;DR summary:

- better and less strict voting laws
- ban all COVID-19 restrictions
- ban second trimester abortion
- stop all tax increases, provide cuts for our poorest citizens
- end unnecessary conflict overseas
- limit immigration and prosecute illegals
- repeal all climate change related policies
- decriminalize drug use, prosecute dealers and cartels
- support right to bear arms
- stand opposed to Wulfricism

[WD]

Some very vague platitudes and talking points here. Would you care to explain what’s being done that’s so bad? What exactly is it that can only be fixed by the Patriot Party?

The Patriot Party is the only movement that is one hundred percent committed to draining the swamp and making Atlasia great again.  The Federalists and Laborites are part of an establishment that promotes an inactive electorate and boring, stagnant government.  The October 2021 presidential election had the lowest voter turnout in recent history.  It is obvious that people are clamoring for real, exciting policies that will transform our nation, and not the old status quo.

Very vague, much platitude! What are you actually going to do?

You can look at my campaign platform, which I have updated today, for more information.

A TL;DR summary:

- better and less strict voting laws
- ban all COVID-19 restrictions
- ban second trimester abortion
- stop all tax increases, provide cuts for our poorest citizens
- end unnecessary conflict overseas
- limit immigration and prosecute illegals
- repeal all climate change related policies
- decriminalize drug use, prosecute dealers and cartels
- support right to bear arms
- stand opposed to Wulfricism

Are you opposed to all tax increases? Even on the richest of our society? In addition, I’m glad you oppose Wulfricism and am thankful this has become a bipartisan issue.

[DabbingSanta]

Are you opposed to all tax increases? Even on the richest of our society? In addition, I’m glad you oppose Wulfricism and am thankful this has become a bipartisan issue.

I have no plans of increasing taxes for anyone, but any tax cuts would be for the poor and working class.  They would certainly be of more benefit to people living paycheck to paycheck, not the super wealthy.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Some very vague platitudes and talking points here. Would you care to explain what’s being done that’s so bad? What exactly is it that can only be fixed by the Patriot Party?

The Patriot Party is the only movement that is one hundred percent committed to draining the swamp and making Atlasia great again.  The Federalists and Laborites are part of an establishment that promotes an inactive electorate and boring, stagnant government.  The October 2021 presidential election had the lowest voter turnout in recent history.  It is obvious that people are clamoring for real, exciting policies that will transform our nation, and not the old status quo.

The October 2021 election is still one of the highest turnout elections in the history of Atlasia.

2004-2018, the highest was about 130 and the lowest 75, with the usual being around 110. Then in 2018 and 2019 we experienced massive game inflation using the discord approach you derided a month ago, but now seem to want to embrace.  That is how you get 200 plus vote elections with a population over 300, it also leaves a trail of misery after the single close election that it produces.

I don't have the numbers in front of me, but new registrants to the Talk Elections Site as a whole dried up this year and save for recycling people back from discord who have fallen off the rolls, there isn't much in the way of new fodder for this Meme Red Army approach of throwing bodies at the situation.

Plus, such an approach breeds disengagement, lack of integration and thus greater dissatisfaction as a result. It is not sustainable thus and once the inflation runs its course, you inevitably get the steep cliff on the other side, people leaving because they are pissed off. And arguably, situations like yours.

This is also why Labor always wins, and always has won the Sestak/YT/LT model of massive game inflation, because at the end of the day Labor just has more reserves and land to draw upon on the internet. Eventually you reach Stalingrad and the high body count as Peebs gets to play Thanos after each successive election where the voters of this surge fall off the rolls from lack of voting.

Also the same pattern played out in 2019:
June 2019:  103-97
October 2019 99-31-19


February 2021: 122-119
June 2021  90-89
October 2021  75-49


A while back Encke ran the numbers and I recall they went something like this:
1. Neither Party has ever gained a substantial edge via turnout except where one sides effort just evaporated as happened by Labor in 2017 and to us in October 2019.
2. Ironically Feds often out turnout Labor slightly or at least break even by percentage, but Labor (and their allies) size makes up for it.

Labor+RC+Peace is routinely coming in at 50%-52% of the game. This was the vote for At-large Senate in October, this is roughly analogous to registration and it matches the poll you conducted.

TLDR: No amount of Trumpist sloganeering is going to change demographics, out manpower the Soviet Union that is the internet or manage to out turnout enough to compensate for a 30-40 registration gap.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

What this game needs is

1. A return to activity on the AFE board,
2. Pulling activity onto the board from discord
3. The promotion of sustainable and integrated population growth.
4. Moving away from the reliance on discord GOTV centric campaigns where all of the time is spent chasing down every last vote on discord and no time to the things that this game used to be about (campaigns, debates, polling, newspapers, Senate and regional legislative debates etc).
5. The restoration of a decisive swing vote.

[GregTheGreat657]

I'm seriously considering running against Tack50 for Lincoln Senator

[Sestak]

Very curious as to why this party does apparently not have an at-Large senate candidacy? It only requires winning one of nine seats in STV which should be doable if you really have the strength that will be needed for this to stick. Actually quite curious as to why you don’t run yourself; it gives you a more prominent springboard if you are indeed planning a presidential run.

[DabbingSanta]

[S019]

"election integrity," lmao

[WD]

I see that the Patriot Party has decided to come out as Pro-Doxxing. A mere continuation of the disturbing trend of conservatives in Atlasia being soft on crime. Labor, on the other hand, is and will always be for law and order.

[Sestak]

"election integrity," lmao

I mean he technically was ‘standing up to election integrity’, yes.

[DabbingSanta]

[DabbingSanta]

December 11th, 2021 in Paducah, Kentucky

Good evening. There are a couple things I would like to address tonight.  First off, I am happy to report that early results indicate I am winning BIGLY in the polls with conservative voters, despite zero support from Federalist leaders or the establishment.  So big that it looks like I may be a Senator soon.  As I have always said, appealing to the base is the most important thing, it really is.  And I think Greg is doing pretty well too.  Two for two, big wins for the Patriots.  I am going to do my best to change things in the Senate, so when I get elected president in February,  I will have the experience it takes to make Atlasia great again.  To all the people who lost their homes and loved ones in yesterday's devastating tornadoes here in Kentucky and across Atlasia, I am praying for you.  Dave bless this great nation.  Thank you.