Patriot Party: DabbingSanta/GregTheGreat ticket

[DabbingSanta]

Running Mate • Platform • Concession

November 5th, 2021 in Detroit, Michigan

Hello my beautiful people.  Atlasians of all political beliefs, background, race, sexuality.  Today, I am here to announce I am creating a new party – the Patriot Party – and that I will be running for President in the upcoming February election.  It will be a beautiful thing.  For the past eight consecutive elections, the working class have been tossed aside by politicians embracing corporate elitism and special interests.  It is occurring on both sides, both sides.  The Federalists, a bunch of fake conservatives, keep putting out weak platforms and even weaker candidates, attempting to reach out to people who will vote Labor no matter what.  And when the election gets taken from them, what do they do?  Blame it on the voter rather than enact policy and change things. They just run on the same promises that hurt the working people. It’s the same boring shtick, over and over, and they lose every time.  Patriotic voices of all backgrounds are looking for real change in Atlasia, and I'm here to deliver on that.

This is your chance to stick it to the man.  I have zero political experience, none whatsoever.  I am a businessman, and politics is a dirty game.  Yet look what has happened. Eight straight terms of socialism  I hold no malice for our new President, Scott, but he is another member of the establishment.  Who do we have to blame for this?  Bureaucrats. Are you sick and tired yet?  I know I am.  I want to bring back small businesses.  I love the little guys!  Patriots, red-blooded Atlasians of all backgrounds and political views, I am calling on you.  You won’t regret voting for me.  In the next few weeks, I will be vetting for an exceptional Vice-Presidential candidate, one which shares my vision of making Atlasia great again, and together, we will drain the swamp and get rid of the corruption.  Thank you very much, and may Dave bless Atlasia.

[President of the great nation of 🏳️‍⚧️]

DabbingSanta Announces ACP 2
"It's at least ACP 3", reports RG Peebs

[OBD]

Spark 2 electric boogaloo

[AGA]

politicians embracing corporate elitism and special interests.

Brb, joining the Labor Party.

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

I endorse this venture! This will make it much easier for the Labor party to win elections!

[Crane]

I wish you the best of luck on this venture.

[DabbingSanta]

This will make it much easier for the Labor party to win elections!

This is definitely not my intention.  With ranked choice voting, Atlasians can cast their ballots for the candidates who best represent their views without fears of spoiling their ballot.  A strong third party finish could increase federalist support, if anything.

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

This will make it much easier for the Labor party to win elections!

This is definitely not my intention.  With ranked choice voting, Atlasians can cast their ballots for the candidates who best represent their views without fears of spoiling their ballot.  A strong third party finish could increase federalist support, if anything.

This enterprise will end one of two ways, assuming it manages to attract any support at all. (Tall ask!) Either it will be a source of irritation and resentment for mainstream conservatives, making it easier for Labor to divide and conquer; or it will supplant the Federalists as the major right-wing party, allowing us to win every election forever by pointing out to the overwhelmingly liberal Atlas user base that you are "the Trump party." Either way, we win!

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

What's interesting is that you're running more or less on the same things I did, without embracing Trump or Trumpism. I wrote the inaugural address a week ago and it's about as Trumpy (in terms of rhetoric) a modern leftist can go and somewhere in the avenue of the OP. So an attempt to reclaim the electoral hold Labor has on the working-class by running on the same message but without any of the accomplishments in office (or an actual band of corporate elites to run against) to prove you've fought for those issues should be... interesting.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The Federalist Party has done more for the working class of Atlasia, than Donald Trump ever lied about wanting to do only turn around and sell them out to the very establishment he vowed destroy.

Don't forget I voted for Trump in 2016 in both the primary and the general. He lost me, through his failures and corruption. I work retail making $13 an hour and nobody is going to lecture me about being anti-worker.

Donald Trump talked about re-instating Glass Steagal to reign in the big banks, I actually did it with nearly complete Federalist support when we had the majority.  

Donald Trump talked about doing infrastructure and then repeatedly failed. We passed numerous infrastructure related bills under the then Fed DFW and Fhtagn's administrations.

Donald Trump did actually manage to cut some regulations, but I will wager Federalist Mr. R was more effective at it.

Donald Trump and Republicans talked about consolidating and eliminating government agencies, nothing Trump or the Republicans have done in real life in the past thirty years of empty promises, can compare to deal I made with Scott and passed again under then Fed DFW's Presidency that reduced federal bureaucracy and duplication in health care.

Donald Trump promised to reform healthcare and he choked, outsourcing it to the Paul Ryan's of the world and the think tanks. Again working in a bipartisan fashion with Scott, we actually pulled off, minimized the federal governments footprint, helped those who needed it and brought the regions to the table

Donald Trump promised to cut the deficit, but increased it massively. Both of my Presidential administrations were net zero on the debt and we implemented and adhered to strict paygo rules while we were in the majority.  


Over the course of 2016 to 2018, the Federalist Party adapted to Trumpism by incorporating most of all of the pro-worker and economically populist as well as conservative items that Trump championed. We then proceeded to achieve and enact most of those policies, working often in a bipartisan fashion, during that period in which we controlled the Government (2017-2018 especially), while at the very same time Trump was failing abysmally to do the very same things in spite of him being Mr. "Art of the Deal".

We also did it while respecting the Constitution, the law, the separation of powers, the independence of the judiciary and the rights and powers of the regions. If you truly believe that constitutionalism, legalism and separation of powers make us weak, then you are misguided. Constitutionalism, legalism and separation of powers MAKES US THE PEOPLE STRONGER by making the government weaker. Congregating power in one place makes government stronger and makes the people and the regions weaker. I want the people to be stronger.


The reason why we have spent three years in the minority since then has nothing to do with us being "anti-worker" or "fake conservatives", we are at once more populist and more conservative than Donald Trump has been. No, the reason we have been in the minority in game is precisely because of Donald Trump. Trump pushed a generation of lefties onto the forum, JK2020/Sestak recruited them all into the game and Labor has dominated the game ever since.

You look at Trump and see a champion for your side, I look at Trump and see a disaster who failed to meet his most basic promises and relies on hollow branding and marketing to keep people like you thinking he is a hero. He is every bit as corrupt and criminally so as the people he is nominally opposed to, the so called establishment.

Donald Trump is not the person who will take on the establishment anymore, Donald Trump IS THE ESTABLISHMENT.

[DabbingSanta]

You look at Trump and see a champion for your side, I look at Trump and see a disaster who failed to meet his most basic promises and relies on hollow branding and marketing to keep people like you thinking he is a hero. He is every bit as corrupt and criminally so as the people he is nominally opposed to, the so called establishment.

How could you say something like this and not expect to lose conservative support?  You are proving my point, Senator. 

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

If the next election comes down to a choice between Scott and this joke, I will vote to reelect Scott and I hope all Atlasians do the same.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

You look at Trump and see a champion for your side, I look at Trump and see a disaster who failed to meet his most basic promises and relies on hollow branding and marketing to keep people like you thinking he is a hero. He is every bit as corrupt and criminally so as the people he is nominally opposed to, the so called establishment.

How could you say something like this and not expect to lose conservative support?  You are proving my point, Senator.  

Conservatism is not defined by love of Trump. Conservatism is an ideology, a political philosophy, a behavioral standard and a way of life. All of those come before support or devotion to any single mortal man.

For conservatism to succeed in game, it has to be self aware as to what constitutes conservatism here separate and apart from the real life demographics (Atlasia votes like New York State in real life mind you). Trumpism is a niche sure, but it is not the whole affair and success will surely depend on maintaining a degree of unity with people who cannot stand Trump, that your approach doesn't account for. There has always been a sizeable contingent of Never Trumpers, and now there is probably an even larger contingent of "Post Trumpers" (people like myself who supported Trump at one point and now want to move on).

I don't believe in cancel culture. I will never prevent you or anyone else from embracing Trump or Trumpism, but on the flip side, however I demand for myself and the others the right to speak our minds likewise.

I also don't do safe spacing. I voice my opinions, I encourage you to voice yours. But I will stand up for myself and I won't be silenced.

I have also been saying the same things about Trump for two years now, as stated in the above post about him being corrupt (I think all politicians are crooks with few exceptions) and relying on hollow marketing to maintain his support.

[DabbingSanta]

Conservatism is not defined by love of Trump. Conservatism is an ideology, a political philosophy, a behavioral standard and a way of life. All of those come before support or devotion to any single mortal man.

For conservatism to succeed in game, it has to be self aware as to what constitutes conservatism here separate and apart from the real life demographics (Atlasia votes like New York State in real life mind you). Trumpism is a niche sure, but it is not the whole affair and success will surely depend on maintaining a degree of unity with people who cannot stand Trump, that your approach doesn't account for. There has always been a sizeable contingent of Never Trumpers, and now there is probably an even larger contingent of "Post Trumpers" (people like myself who supported Trump at one point and now want to move on).

I don't believe in cancel culture. I will never prevent you or anyone else from embracing Trump or Trumpism, but on the flip side, however I demand for myself and the others the right to speak our minds likewise.

I also don't do safe spacing. I voice my opinions, I encourage you to voice yours. But I will stand up for myself and I won't be silenced.

I have also been saying the same things about Trump for two years now, as stated in the above post about him being corrupt (I think all politicians are crooks with few exceptions) and relying on hollow marketing to maintain his support.

I don't think we can say what works or doesn't work in Atlasia until its tried.  My ultimate goal is not to win the election outright, but to gain support on the right, energize the base, and boost turnout for conservative causes.  I feel like a segment of the community has been totally ignored for too long, and the Federalists have taken that for granted.  You cannot say with a straight face that trying to appeal to moderates is the answer after losing eight straight elections, right?  Plus, the closest elections where Federalists actually stood a chance, with LouisvilleThunder and YoungTexan, they ran pretty hard to the right compared to more moderate candidates like OSR and Joseph Cao or Federalist endorsed Peace candidates.

I respect your views on IRL politics, and you certainly have a right to say what you wish.  I am not preventing you from doing so.  While I am embracing Trumpism for my campaign I feel like we should be able to differentiate between fun in-game rhetoric and real life politics.  I support Trump right now, but I have not always held a favorable view of him.  My in-game character is for fun, because, well, this is a game, and it's supposed to be fun, right?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Conservatism is not defined by love of Trump. Conservatism is an ideology, a political philosophy, a behavioral standard and a way of life. All of those come before support or devotion to any single mortal man.

For conservatism to succeed in game, it has to be self aware as to what constitutes conservatism here separate and apart from the real life demographics (Atlasia votes like New York State in real life mind you). Trumpism is a niche sure, but it is not the whole affair and success will surely depend on maintaining a degree of unity with people who cannot stand Trump, that your approach doesn't account for. There has always been a sizeable contingent of Never Trumpers, and now there is probably an even larger contingent of "Post Trumpers" (people like myself who supported Trump at one point and now want to move on).

I don't believe in cancel culture. I will never prevent you or anyone else from embracing Trump or Trumpism, but on the flip side, however I demand for myself and the others the right to speak our minds likewise.

I also don't do safe spacing. I voice my opinions, I encourage you to voice yours. But I will stand up for myself and I won't be silenced.

I have also been saying the same things about Trump for two years now, as stated in the above post about him being corrupt (I think all politicians are crooks with few exceptions) and relying on hollow marketing to maintain his support.

I don't think we can say what works or doesn't work in Atlasia until its tried.  My ultimate goal is not to win the election outright, but to gain support on the right, energize the base, and boost turnout for conservative causes.  I feel like a segment of the community has been totally ignored for too long, and the Federalists have taken that for granted.  You cannot say with a straight face that trying to appeal to moderates is the answer after losing eight straight elections, right?  Plus, the closest elections where Federalists actually stood a chance, with LouisvilleThunder and YoungTexan, they ran pretty hard to the right compared to more moderate candidates like OSR and Joseph Cao or Federalist endorsed Peace candidates.

I respect your views on IRL politics, and you certainly have a right to say what you wish.  I am not preventing you from doing so.  While I am embracing Trumpism for my campaign I feel like we should be able to differentiate between fun in-game rhetoric and real life politics.  I support Trump right now, but I have not always held a favorable view of him.  My in-game character is for fun, because, well, this is a game, and it's supposed to be fun, right?

I know and like Young Texan, but remember that Young Texan is historically perceived as a Bush Republican, has used Bush 43 as a persona in game and has in the past promoted more moderate approaches on issues like immigration and abortion. I am probably more conservative then Young Texan on abortion and certainly more populist than him on China, trade, immigration and foreign policy. This is not to criticize him mind you, merely to state that impressions can be subject to interpretation and Young Texan was very discerning in terms of his outreach to various targeted audiences.

Likewise, Louisville Thunder had just come out of a very successful bipartisan reform effort that restructured congress and created the sub regions, which created a lot of good will among more centrist voters. He also faced the epitome of urban neoliberal in the form of Seven Eleven.  By contrast Cao faced the much more populist lefty Scott, who among other things is pro-gun in contrast to Sev. Cao also faced a centrist boycott of the Federalist Party by the DA, which was enacted in reaction to LT's actions immediately after his narrow loss in June.


Also when it comes to the very "discord disengaged voter strategy" approach you criticized the Federalists for doing in the other thread, no one utilized this approach more than Young Texan. Even to the point of making conflicting promises on more than one occasion that we have had to clean up in various ways. My desire has always been to move back towards a more engaged voter base but the exigencies of competing with the left, the constant desire of the right to abandon the forum and the big difficulty is answering what the tangible actions to actually convince people to make that shift back to the forum, is always the big stumbling block that no one can answer. It is low effort to mill around on discord threads, it requires much more effort to actually campaign on AFE board, create and maintain a newspaper thread, or run some kind of advocacy type group.

[Terry the Fat Shark]

The last Federalists to actually win nationally were myself, Fhtagn, and Yankee which...at the time at least were all anti-trump or at the very least in game more like Romney 2008/McCain 2008 then Trump 2016

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

You cannot say with a straight face that trying to appeal to moderates is the answer after losing eight straight elections, right?

No, because no one action is going to account for this registration gap:

Labor 69  =  32.5%
Pax   8 =   3.77%
Revolutionary Communist 17 = 8%
Total Left 94 = 44.30%

DA 20         9%

Ind 17        8%
Others 18     8%


Feds 63  =   29.17%

44%-29%-10%-20%


There are a number of lefties among the Independents and Others, plus the present DA boycott against the Federalists. If you were to take the time to parse through indies and others, the numbers probably come out like this

51%-34%-15% or that ballpark, which is almost exactly what the At-large Senate results came out to by the way. This is why I don't think turnout mattered as much because the result so closely matched the registration situation.

What I have said for years is that you need:
1. Strong Turnout
2. Strong Recruitment to at least match the other side (there are very people joining the site at all right now)
3. A dialogue with the center that enables you get to 50% and be in the hunt so to speak.

YT was very aggressive on the outreach, maximized defections and pushed the enveloped for every vote possible, an "All of the Above" strategy. I was not directly present for YT's efforts as I was sick with Covid at the time, but I did see some of LT's. So rather than this being some kind of Goldwater or such hard line campaigns it was more of a micro-targeted approach and a more mainstream approach overall. Kind of like Glenn Youngkin more than Donald Trump.

[GM Team Member and Senator WB]

what are your thoughts on the recent sanctions imposed on China by Scott

[DabbingSanta]

what are your thoughts on the recent sanctions imposed on China by Scott

They are a decent start.  As president, I will defend Taiwan at all costs from communist China.

[DabbingSanta]

November 10th, 2021 in Amarillo, Texas

Atlasia – the political elite fear the truth.  Everyone should be worried at the backlash you have seen towards my candidacy.  This is just the beginning.  Nobody said the path forward wasn’t going to be difficult.  Everyone advised me against this, yet here I am.  I believe we patriots will persevere despite all of this negativity.  The establishment is obviously going to hate me, because I am everything they stand against.  The Federalists, a failing party long before I announced my candidacy, are scared.  The Labor Party, they’ve been in power for eight consecutive terms.  Neither party is the answer for what this country needs. President Scott says he is different, but he is member of the same party that has caused this mess.  Atlasia is a declining state.  And now we have the political elite of all sides, of all sides, endorsing President Scott over my candidacy.  They don’t want me to succeed and bring a strong and conservative agenda to our once great nation.  It is painfully clear to me that these people are playing politics.  They do not deserve your vote.  My fellow countrymen, it is time that we drain the swamp and make Atlasia great again.  I believe it is possible, but I can’t do it without you.  Thank you, and may Dave bless Atlasia.

[Dr. MB]

Why haven't you officially registered the Patriot Party in the New Register Thread yet?

[DabbingSanta]

November 11th, 2021 in Fort Riley, Kansas

Hello and good morning to my fellow patriots, Atlasians of all backgrounds.  We are gathered here today to remember the lives of those lost and commemorate those who have had the great honor of serving our beautiful nation.  As president, I will make sure our veterans and fallen heroes are not forgotten.  Under recent governments, we have seen attack after attack on our great military institutions, and attacks on our citizenry as a free people, and I will not stand by any longer.   We will not forget why people fought and sacrificed their lives for our great country.  Anarchists, communists, and other hateful and deadly ideologies have no place here.  Hysteria to a pandemic which has a death rate lower than 1 in a 1000 in young adults, it has no place here.  Under my administration, freedom for all Atlasians will be my number one priority.  The Patriot Party will run the most pro-military, most pro-freedom platform of all time.  We will not stand by any longer and watch as our democracy erodes. Thank you, and may Dave bless Atlasia.  

[DabbingSanta]

Why haven't you officially registered the Patriot Party in the New Register Thread yet?

All done now!

[GregTheGreat657]

I'd be interested in running for elected office under this banner

[Continential]

I'd be interested in running for elected office under this banner

There is a Lincoln General Court by-election that you can run for.