I am a democrat BUT... The democratic party needs to change.

[jojoju1998]

This election should be a warning sign to democrats to NOT look down on these voters simply because they don't have a college education or they voted for Trump, or they are racist. They have legimate concerns. I don't agree with their solutions.... but they have valid concerns.

GET AWAY FROM YALE AND HARVARD. Start going into these communities. Do we even need a internship in rural America for democrats ? We should like talk with them, see why they're so angry.

As a child of blue collar working class immigrants, I can see first hand why the Democrats on a national level are so unappealing. People might make fun of " Small Town ", But many Americans love to live in Small Town. Traditional Values. Tradition. Respect. Law and Order. Economic stability.  

The Middle Class is dying and these people are going to become very very angry. ( Ironically though, the Republicans started the policies that led to this moment, the democrats won't say it because like Terry, THEY ALSO INVEST IN THESE THINGS !! ).

WHY DON'T WE GET IT ?? THESE ARE AMERICANS TOO !

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

K

[Progressive Pessimist]

They're angry, but they're also too far-gone. We, unfortunately, still have to rely on these fickle suburbanites, and even more so since significant minority support for the party to make up for that seems to have only been exclusive to Obama.

[John Dule]

I love how the takeaway is not "the voters aren't racist," but rather "we shouldn't look down on the voters despite the fact that they're racist."

[Person Man]

I love how the takeaway is not "the voters aren't racist," but rather "we shouldn't look down on the voters despite the fact that they're racist."

What if it was? Why not? Howard Dean even said this in 2005 before he orchestrated the Democratic Comeback in 2006.

[支持核绿派 (Greens4Nuclear)]

I love how the takeaway is not "the voters aren't racist," but rather "we shouldn't look down on the voters despite the fact that they're racist."

Well everyone is at least implicitly prejudiced against some out-group (doesn’t have to be black or indigenous folks) so OP has a point.

[Hammy]

The Democratic Party certainly needs to change, but their problem is not that they look down on non-college voters, it's that they're complete self absorbed idiots who think they're owed votes without fighting for them.

"I'm not my opponent" can no longer serve as the only thing you are offering if you want to win.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Racism is hard to define and much, much harder to "solve". It means different things to different people despite its, on-paper, simple definition.

[Bojack Horseman]

Democratic leadership needs to be burned to the ground. In order for the Democrats to have any viability they need to reorganize into a political machine that's actually designed for 21st century politics.

First, there needs to be one central figurehead who is ideally the Democratic leader of one house of Congress who would also simultaneously be DNC chair who dictates where the money goes and who gets the nomination in which district. The DSCC and DCCC should be weaponized against Democratic politicians who don't vote the way they're told. Candidates should be recruited based on their willingness to vote as such and be trained on exactly what to say and how to campaign for the district they're running in. I hate to say it to the new DSA/progressive wing of the party but that is how you're going to get Medicare For All, not by running candidates who openly embrace the term socialism.

The next step is to tightly control the party's messaging and only speak in poll-tested soundbytes that stupid people can understand. The Republican Party defunds public education and makes college unaffordable in the states they control because a population of blithering morons who can't understand concepts longer than six words benefits them. We have to find some way to appeal to these people.

I also think we should drop the performative ethics as well. The reason the Matt Gaetzes of the world are in the Republican Party is because people with those kinds of pasts are easier to control. "Vote the way I tell you to or the FBI will find out about..." is a lot more persuasive than "or you'll get a primary challenger."

That's how you start winning and start getting results. Otherwise this country will continue its death spiral into a third world country.

[GeneralMacArthur]

It's a big tent party.  Most of the leaders of the party are, in fact, focusing on kitchen table issues and trying to help working-class communities.  But it doesn't get any attention from the media.  Instead the media chases after shiny objects, like wokescolds trying to ban books, or edgy white Twitterati holding protests to abolish the police.  Collectively these people are like 10% of the party and 0% of the party leadership.  But as long as they're what the media chooses to focus on in our party, the only thing we can do is condemn them as loudly as possibly.


You'll note that there's no congressional bill to ban Dr. Seuss.  There's no executive order trying to instill critical race theory in our schools.  The Biden administration has loudly and repeatedly condemned abolishing the police.  These ivory tower people who call themselves liberals don't define the party.  They don't control it.  They just get attention.  Because you keep giving it to them.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Sure, but the out of touch in the beltway hacks running the party disagree.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

In an off year election Youngkin ran on tax cuts but Da are gonna tell voters that wealthy aren't paying their fair share and must have a wealth tax and polls are meaningless until Aug 2022


We must be patient with Biden,  and Terry was a retread if Bobby Scott runs in 2025 he would be the Fav but has he announced yet no, but D's don't have much of a bench and he it can propel him for higher office, Harris running mate in 28

Stop extrapolating a 4 pt loss from one Election we didn't lose by 20

[No War, but the War on Christmas]

I'd rather just wait for them to die off, thanks.

"Hey Guys, let's start targeting racists and bigots!" isn't a valid response to a loss of 3% due to turnout.

[Person Man]

I'd rather just wait for them to die off, thanks.

"Hey Guys, let's start targeting racists and bigots!" isn't a valid response to a loss of 3% due to turnout.

An argument can be made that you should chase those votes to get to some of the people that we are already looking to pursue. There are moderate signs that some groups are inheriting the ideas of older groups.

Which is weird that a lot of poor people and discriminated against people would adopt a lot of these ideas but here we are.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Be patient Aug 2022/ not Dec 2021 we will see how Biden Approvals, it's being colored too by the Debt Ceiling debate and VR because Manchin won't grow a backbone, and eliminate Filibuster, but if D's win the TRIFECTA again the Filibuster is out anyway


It's a 304 map anyways with OH SEN, FL GOV AND GA SEN AS WAVE INSURANCE TO A DH

A 222/216DH AND A 53/47 SEN IS POSSIBLE

REDISTRICTING IS TIED TO CAL, NY, IL, TX and FL

[OSR stands with Israel]

I'd rather just wait for them to die off, thanks.

"Hey Guys, let's start targeting racists and bigots!" isn't a valid response to a loss of 3% due to turnout.

The democrats are in much worse shape than they were in 2009 and soon will be worse than they were in 2012 despite Millianials and gen z having far more influence now .


Also lol at blaming the loss at turnout given Terry won more votes than Northam did 4 years ago lol . You can’t compare an presidential year to non presidential one directly as there are Millions of people who only do care about the presidential race

[No War, but the War on Christmas]

I'd rather just wait for them to die off, thanks.

"Hey Guys, let's start targeting racists and bigots!" isn't a valid response to a loss of 3% due to turnout.

An argument can be made that you should chase those votes to get to some of the people that we are already looking to pursue. There are moderate signs that some groups are inheriting the ideas of older groups.

Which is weird that a lot of poor people and discriminated against people would adopt a lot of these ideas but here we are.

I grew up in a community and with friends like that and it still makes no sense. I've literally had the conversation of "So your whole family is on food stamps, medicaid and y'all only make minimum wage, but you vote Republican..." Many of these people take the social services they receive for granted and don't realize that if Republicans had their way none of those programs would be there. Cultural issues (Ex. Non-White Immigration, Gays, Abortion, etc) take precedence for them, which is why I've often wondered if we should just let it all collapse, wake them up.

Actually, it reminds me of another Wilde quote;

“All authority is quite degrading. It degrades those who exercise it, and degrades those over whom it is exercised. When it is violently, grossly, and cruelly used, it produces a good effect by creating, or at any rate bringing out, the spirit of revolt and individualism that is to kill it. When it is used with a certain amount of kindness, and accompanied by prizes and rewards, it is dreadfully demoralising. People, in that case, are less conscious of the horrible pressure that is being put on them, and so go through their lives in a sort of coarse comfort, like petted animals, without ever realising that they are probably thinking other people's thoughts, living by other people's standards, wearing practically what one may call other people's second-hand clothes, and never being themselves for a single moment.”

I'd rather just wait for them to die off, thanks.

"Hey Guys, let's start targeting racists and bigots!" isn't a valid response to a loss of 3% due to turnout.

The democrats are in much worse shape than they were in 2009 and soon will be worse than they were in 2012 despite Millianials and gen z having far more influence now .


Also lol at blaming the loss at turnout given Terry won more votes than Northam did 4 years ago lol . You can’t compare an presidential year to non presidential one directly as there are Millions of people who only do care about the presidential race

Due to glaring democratic deficiencies in our system and your party effectively pursuing authoritarian and anti-democratic means to cement the rule of the minority? Sure. Don't act like the majority of this country supports you -- y'all haven't had a President who won the popular vote in his first term since 1988, LOL.

You are correct about comparing Presidential and Off-Year elections. I mean; the fact is that the more people who vote, the more Democrats (usually) win. It's undeniable that minority and youth vote dropping drastically had a big impact.

[OSR stands with Israel]

I'd rather just wait for them to die off, thanks.

"Hey Guys, let's start targeting racists and bigots!" isn't a valid response to a loss of 3% due to turnout.

The democrats are in much worse shape than they were in 2009 and soon will be worse than they were in 2012 despite Millianials and gen z having far more influence now .


Also lol at blaming the loss at turnout given Terry won more votes than Northam did 4 years ago lol . You can’t compare an presidential year to non presidential one directly as there are Millions of people who only do care about the presidential race

Due to glaring democratic deficiencies in our system and your party effectively pursuing authoritarian and anti-democratic means to cement the rule of the minority? Sure. Don't act like the majority of this country supports you -- y'all haven't had a President who won the popular vote in his first term since 1988, LOL.

You are correct about comparing Presidential and Off-Year elections. I mean; the fact is that the more people who vote, the more Democrats (usually) win. It's undeniable that minority and youth vote dropping drastically had a big impact.

Lol if elections were based on the popular vote , the nature of the campaigns themselves would change lol  . Also you are once again wrong about turnout and 2004, 2016, and 2020 should have disproved that point . Turnout massively  went up in 2004 and it benefited Bush , turnout increased from 2012 to 2016 and it benefited Trump and in 2020 turnout massively increased and it literally had basically no effect as 2020 was basically 2016 if most third party voters voted democratic .Also keeping in mind that T-Mac won more votes than Northam did yet he lost while Northam easily won .


Also if you are complaining about senate allocation , the fact is it’s not gonna change so you better appeal to the voters the OP is talking about or you will be in the permanent minority in that chamber

[Person Man]

I'd rather just wait for them to die off, thanks.

"Hey Guys, let's start targeting racists and bigots!" isn't a valid response to a loss of 3% due to turnout.

The democrats are in much worse shape than they were in 2009 and soon will be worse than they were in 2012 despite Millianials and gen z having far more influence now .


Also lol at blaming the loss at turnout given Terry won more votes than Northam did 4 years ago lol . You can’t compare an presidential year to non presidential one directly as there are Millions of people who only do care about the presidential race

Due to glaring democratic deficiencies in our system and your party effectively pursuing authoritarian and anti-democratic means to cement the rule of the minority? Sure. Don't act like the majority of this country supports you -- y'all haven't had a President who won the popular vote in his first term since 1988, LOL.

You are correct about comparing Presidential and Off-Year elections. I mean; the fact is that the more people who vote, the more Democrats (usually) win. It's undeniable that minority and youth vote dropping drastically had a big impact.

Lol if elections were based on the popular vote , the nature of the campaigns themselves would change lol  . Also you are once again wrong about turnout and 2004, 2016, and 2020 should have disproved that point . Turnout massively  went up in 2004 and it benefited Bush , turnout increased from 2012 to 2016 and it benefited Trump and in 2020 turnout massively increased and it literally had basically no effect as 2020 was basically 2016 if most third party voters voted democratic .Also keeping in mind that T-Mac won more votes than Northam did yet he lost while Northam easily won .


Also if you are complaining about senate allocation , the fact is it’s not gonna change so you better appeal to the voters the OP is talking about or you will be in the permanent minority in that chamber

Democrats will probably adapt. The big question is whether that is before or after those they currently can’t reach lose everything. On one hand 2006, showed us that maybe if you concede to them in certain ways, they’ll vote Democrat but the people they voted in turned out to be useless. It might be better to take responsibility for the polices you have instead of watering them down.

[ElectionsGuy]

Uh... have you guys seen the media/pundit coverage of the reaction to last week? It's basically, ugh Glenn Youngkin won because people are so racist and they're so stupid they fell for anti-CRT talking points which "isn't real". Oh and anybody who voted for Winsome Sears is a white supremacist. The same people who voted for Biden and then Youngkin, are just as racist as your base Republicans, just like how Obama Trump voters became disposable after 2016. As soon as they vote R, they become bad people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nY3CuLwGUx0

https://twitter.com/jemelehill/status/1455766504650067971?s=20

You saw a little bit of this last year too, before Biden ended up winning in the days following. "Is this who we are?" Joy Reid asked on election night 2020, stunned at how close the result was. Of course, in a good, moral nation that Joy Reid approves of, the result would never even be close. Everyone would just agree with her and vote for the only party that is good and decent, the Democrats.

They are not going to change anytime soon. They are doubling down on everything. It exemplifies why they lost in the first place. They have a condescending moral superiority complex that they cannot get rid of. No trends are reversing any time soon.

[Person Man]

Uh... have you guys seen the media/pundit coverage of the reaction to last week? It's basically, ugh Glenn Youngkin won because people are so racist and they're so stupid they fell for anti-CRT talking points which "isn't real". Oh and anybody who voted for Winsome Sears is a white supremacist. The same people who voted for Biden and then Youngkin, are just as racist as your base Republicans, just like how Obama Trump voters became disposable after 2016. As soon as they vote R, they become bad people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nY3CuLwGUx0

https://twitter.com/jemelehill/status/1455766504650067971?s=20

You saw a little bit of this last year too, before Biden ended up winning in the days following. "Is this who we are?" Joy Reid asked on election night 2020, stunned at how close the result was. Of course, in a good, moral nation that Joy Reid approves of, the result would never even be close. Everyone would just agree with her and vote for the only party that is good and decent, the Democrats.

They are not going to change anytime soon. They are doubling down on everything. It exemplifies why they lost in the first place. They have a condescending moral superiority complex that they cannot get rid of. No trends are reversing any time soon.

People said this about Republicans, too. It’s still really a tough call whether it’s worth having a bunch of blue dogs in power when we things can eventually come around. Maybe to get anything done, you have to read the room. Things in 2006 were embarrassing but they weren’t immediately bad. It made sense to have 30 guys holding down districts W won by 10 points even though they voted with Republicans on a lot of issues that weren’t immediately important.  Eventually, things got worse and people at least temporarily “came around” to more liberal people. Blue dogs at least put a defensive check on Republicans in power. You can’t really govern with them.

[Builder Refused]

Despite the infamous poster on this forum, I really doubt that Biden-Youngkin voters could actually have swung the election. I suspect the failure in Virginia is more along the lines of terrible youth turnout.
The problem essentially lies in the piss poor media apparatus dems have. You can’t just trigger people into voting, you’re more likely to anger or bore them into not voting.

[Born to Slay. Forced to Work.]

Is there anything more democratic then complaining that the party is in shambles

[R.P. McM]

I'd rather just wait for them to die off, thanks.

"Hey Guys, let's start targeting racists and bigots!" isn't a valid response to a loss of 3% due to turnout.

The democrats are in much worse shape than they were in 2009 and soon will be worse than they were in 2012 despite Millianials and gen z having far more influence now .


Also lol at blaming the loss at turnout given Terry won more votes than Northam did 4 years ago lol . You can’t compare an presidential year to non presidential one directly as there are Millions of people who only do care about the presidential race

Due to glaring democratic deficiencies in our system and your party effectively pursuing authoritarian and anti-democratic means to cement the rule of the minority? Sure. Don't act like the majority of this country supports you -- y'all haven't had a President who won the popular vote in his first term since 1988, LOL.

You are correct about comparing Presidential and Off-Year elections. I mean; the fact is that the more people who vote, the more Democrats (usually) win. It's undeniable that minority and youth vote dropping drastically had a big impact.

Lol if elections were based on the popular vote , the nature of the campaigns themselves would change lol  . Also you are once again wrong about turnout and 2004, 2016, and 2020 should have disproved that point . Turnout massively  went up in 2004 and it benefited Bush , turnout increased from 2012 to 2016 and it benefited Trump and in 2020 turnout massively increased and it literally had basically no effect as 2020 was basically 2016 if most third party voters voted democratic .Also keeping in mind that T-Mac won more votes than Northam did yet he lost while Northam easily won .

Yes, exactly. The GOP would never have nominated a grotesque, unqualified, racist sexual predator. Which would be a wonderful thing. Republicans wouldn't have to answer for the treasonous acts of their leader, or the tens of thousands of unnecessary Covid deaths.

Also if you are complaining about senate allocation , the fact is it’s not gonna change so you better appeal to the voters the OP is talking about or you will be in the permanent minority in that chamber

No thanks. I just don't see any universe in which a political system continues to function when ~30% of the population controls ~70% of the Senate seats. It's a recipe for revolution, which would be immensely destructive to conservative interests. So it's time for Republicans such as yourself to start compromising. I certainly don't view you folks as patriots post-Trump, but it is your patriotic duty. Otherwise, if you insist on continuing to ratf**k at every available opportunity, you'll eventually reap the whirlwind. I no longer want to live alongside you, and the more you sabotage the political process, the more Democrats come to agree with me.

[OSR stands with Israel]

I'd rather just wait for them to die off, thanks.

"Hey Guys, let's start targeting racists and bigots!" isn't a valid response to a loss of 3% due to turnout.

The democrats are in much worse shape than they were in 2009 and soon will be worse than they were in 2012 despite Millianials and gen z having far more influence now .


Also lol at blaming the loss at turnout given Terry won more votes than Northam did 4 years ago lol . You can’t compare an presidential year to non presidential one directly as there are Millions of people who only do care about the presidential race

Due to glaring democratic deficiencies in our system and your party effectively pursuing authoritarian and anti-democratic means to cement the rule of the minority? Sure. Don't act like the majority of this country supports you -- y'all haven't had a President who won the popular vote in his first term since 1988, LOL.

You are correct about comparing Presidential and Off-Year elections. I mean; the fact is that the more people who vote, the more Democrats (usually) win. It's undeniable that minority and youth vote dropping drastically had a big impact.

Lol if elections were based on the popular vote , the nature of the campaigns themselves would change lol  . Also you are once again wrong about turnout and 2004, 2016, and 2020 should have disproved that point . Turnout massively  went up in 2004 and it benefited Bush , turnout increased from 2012 to 2016 and it benefited Trump and in 2020 turnout massively increased and it literally had basically no effect as 2020 was basically 2016 if most third party voters voted democratic .Also keeping in mind that T-Mac won more votes than Northam did yet he lost while Northam easily won .

Yes, exactly. The GOP would never have nominated a grotesque, unqualified, racist sexual predator. Which would be a wonderful thing. Republicans wouldn't have to answer for the treasonous acts of their leader, or the tens of thousands of unnecessary Covid deaths.

Also if you are complaining about senate allocation , the fact is it’s not gonna change so you better appeal to the voters the OP is talking about or you will be in the permanent minority in that chamber

No thanks. I just don't see any universe in which a political system continues to function when ~30% of the population controls ~70% of the Senate seats. It's a recipe for revolution, which would be immensely destructive to conservative interests. So it's time for Republicans such as yourself to start compromising. I certainly don't view you folks as patriots post-Trump, but it is your patriotic duty. Otherwise, if you insist on continuing to ratf**k at every available opportunity, you'll eventually reap the whirlwind. I no longer want to live alongside you, and the more you sabotage the political process, the more Democrats come to agree with me.

Republicans were in the minority for 40 consecutive years in the house and no matter how much they whined about how unfair it was, they had to deal with that.