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Question: Which will be more likely?
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It will come in the name of liberalism
 
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It will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross
 
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« on: October 11, 2021, 10:54:10 PM »

The first one easily. There wouldn’t be as much pushback from the media and they would try to spin it as common sense regulations.
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« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2021, 11:55:39 PM »

It will be wrapped in a MAGA flag.
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« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2021, 08:15:12 AM »

It's there already. It's in the minds of millions, it's espoused by some school board members, state legislators and those in congress. It is wrapped around parts of government and private business.

One day it'll control everything without anyone noticing or pushing back because that's how this happens.

Fascism in the 21st century doesn't announce it's own arrival.
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« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2021, 09:57:02 AM »

The first option does not make sense. 
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« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2021, 10:22:41 AM »

Neither. Fascism is a movement of the radical center, combining mixed economics with radical center policy/authoritarianism.

If someone says fascism is "extreme right", they've outed themselves as knowing nothing about 20th century history.
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« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2021, 12:49:22 PM »


This.
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« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2021, 01:29:40 PM »

No. MAGA is a fight AGAINST fascists like antifa.
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« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2021, 01:30:59 PM »


I know they aren't exactly what they say they are, but you do know what 'antifa' is short form for, right?
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« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2021, 01:32:19 PM »
« Edited: October 13, 2021, 02:12:01 PM by Leroy McPherson fan »


I know they aren't exactly what they say they are, but you do know what 'antifa' is short form for, right?
It stands for “antifascist Aktion” which was a group that stood with the German communists.
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« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2021, 03:24:08 PM »


I know they aren't exactly what they say they are, but you do know what 'antifa' is short form for, right?
It stands for “antifascist Aktion” which was a group that stood with the German communists.


Against the Nazis.
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« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2021, 03:36:52 PM »

What do you mean "comes to" America?
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« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2021, 06:49:43 PM »

I don't know if this is fascism, but it scares me.

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« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2021, 08:20:40 AM »

It will probably act just like Adam Sutler from the 2006 classic V for Vendetta with the beautiful Natalie Portman


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« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2021, 02:02:59 AM »

If someone says fascism is "extreme right", they've outed themselves as knowing nothing about 20th century history.

TIL the vast majority of historians of the twentieth century know nothing about twentieth-century history. [shrug emoji]
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« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2021, 03:22:38 PM »

If someone says fascism is "extreme right", they've outed themselves as knowing nothing about 20th century history.

I don't think the people who say that are outing themselves as knowing nothing about 20th century history. Now you, on the other hand....
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« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2021, 09:30:16 PM »

If someone says fascism is "extreme right", they've outed themselves as knowing nothing about 20th century history.

TIL the vast majority of historians of the twentieth century know nothing about twentieth-century history. [shrug emoji]
they pretty much don't.

saying fascism is a movement of the radical right as opposed to the radical center is a sign of being blatantly ignorant
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« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2021, 09:45:17 PM »

If someone says fascism is "extreme right", they've outed themselves as knowing nothing about 20th century history.

TIL the vast majority of historians of the twentieth century know nothing about twentieth-century history. [shrug emoji]
they pretty much don't.

saying fascism is a movement of the radical right as opposed to the radical center is a sign of being blatantly ignorant

Ross Perot is my favorite fascist.
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« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2021, 09:35:15 AM »

I said "a movement of the radical center" not "the entire radical center". Look, you're a dark red avatar and not a normie red avatar so I assume you actually believe things instead of parroting the MSM. I expect at least something resembling basic literacy from people who aren't bright red avatars.
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« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2021, 11:04:32 PM »

I said "a movement of the radical center" not "the entire radical center". Look, you're a dark red avatar and not a normie red avatar so I assume you actually believe things instead of parroting the MSM. I expect at least something resembling basic literacy from people who aren't bright red avatars.

Dumb talking points like "socially conservative, fiscally  m o d e r a t e" or "Hitler called himself a socialist to appeal to the working class" do nothing to disprove the undeniable fact that fascism is a movement of the extreme right culturally and politically, as any credible source would assert.
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« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2021, 11:13:07 PM »

If you don't see how fascism has been creeping up on American society from the Left, you've been living under a rock. The Right just want to be left alone.
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« Reply #20 on: October 31, 2021, 03:58:49 PM »

I said "a movement of the radical center" not "the entire radical center". Look, you're a dark red avatar and not a normie red avatar so I assume you actually believe things instead of parroting the MSM. I expect at least something resembling basic literacy from people who aren't bright red avatars.

Dumb talking points like "socially conservative, fiscally  m o d e r a t e" or "Hitler called himself a socialist to appeal to the working class" do nothing to disprove the undeniable fact that fascism is a movement of the extreme right culturally and politically, as any credible source would assert.
I said "radical center", not "moderate" or whatever else you claimed. i knew this site's level of literacy was low but come on
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« Reply #21 on: October 31, 2021, 04:43:48 PM »
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I said "a movement of the radical center" not "the entire radical center". Look, you're a dark red avatar and not a normie red avatar so I assume you actually believe things instead of parroting the MSM. I expect at least something resembling basic literacy from people who aren't bright red avatars.

Dumb talking points like "socially conservative, fiscally  m o d e r a t e" or "Hitler called himself a socialist to appeal to the working class" do nothing to disprove the undeniable fact that fascism is a movement of the extreme right culturally and politically, as any credible source would assert.
I said "radical center", not "moderate" or whatever else you claimed. i knew this site's level of literacy was low but come on

“Radical centrism” is usually a phrase associated with milquetoast liberals like the Dutch D66, not the effing Nazis. Fascism, with its extreme devotion to supposedly ‘natural’ hierarchies and social Darwinism, is the prototypical ideology of the extreme right; in fact, without fascism and national socialism as reference points, the term “far right” might as well not exist.

Doing some myopic economic policy checklist of Hitler against Paul Ryan or whoever and thus concluding that he was somehow a “centrist” is about the most context-devoid, anachronistic, ahistorical and, above all, just plain idiotic way of going about defining fascism that I could possibly imagine.
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« Reply #22 on: October 31, 2021, 06:00:29 PM »

Extremely Nineties "size of government" thinking has poisoned entire generations of interested laypeople into believing that there is a linear relationship between state involvement in the economy and leftism, where the more involved the state is in the economy, the leftister it is. In the real world, of course, the MOTIVATIONS for most policy decisions are far more important to determining whether they're left-wing or right-wing than is a "wonkish" value-neutral description of what the policies themselves are. France abolishing tax farming after the Revolution was not a right-wing move just because it decreased the ability of agents of the state to roam the countryside beating people up!
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« Reply #23 on: October 31, 2021, 06:08:42 PM »

I said "a movement of the radical center" not "the entire radical center". Look, you're a dark red avatar and not a normie red avatar so I assume you actually believe things instead of parroting the MSM. I expect at least something resembling basic literacy from people who aren't bright red avatars.

Dumb talking points like "socially conservative, fiscally  m o d e r a t e" or "Hitler called himself a socialist to appeal to the working class" do nothing to disprove the undeniable fact that fascism is a movement of the extreme right culturally and politically, as any credible source would assert.
I said "radical center", not "moderate" or whatever else you claimed. i knew this site's level of literacy was low but come on

“Radical centrism” is usually a phrase associated with milquetoast liberals like the Dutch D66, not the effing Nazis. Fascism, with its extreme devotion to supposedly ‘natural’ hierarchies and social Darwinism, is the prototypical ideology of the extreme right; in fact, without fascism and national socialism as reference points, the term “far right” might as well not exist.

Doing some myopic economic policy checklist of Hitler against Paul Ryan or whoever and thus concluding that he was somehow a “centrist” is about the most context-devoid, anachronistic, ahistorical and, above all, just plain idiotic way of going about defining fascism that I could possibly imagine.
no.

"centrist" is a fair way to describe various ideologies with economic policy outside of the 'standard' post-1945 usage communism/socialism vs capitalism binary, so i'm going to keep doing that
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« Reply #24 on: October 31, 2021, 10:34:19 PM »

I said "a movement of the radical center" not "the entire radical center". Look, you're a dark red avatar and not a normie red avatar so I assume you actually believe things instead of parroting the MSM. I expect at least something resembling basic literacy from people who aren't bright red avatars.

Dumb talking points like "socially conservative, fiscally  m o d e r a t e" or "Hitler called himself a socialist to appeal to the working class" do nothing to disprove the undeniable fact that fascism is a movement of the extreme right culturally and politically, as any credible source would assert.
I said "radical center", not "moderate" or whatever else you claimed. i knew this site's level of literacy was low but come on

“Radical centrism” is usually a phrase associated with milquetoast liberals like the Dutch D66, not the effing Nazis. Fascism, with its extreme devotion to supposedly ‘natural’ hierarchies and social Darwinism, is the prototypical ideology of the extreme right; in fact, without fascism and national socialism as reference points, the term “far right” might as well not exist.

Doing some myopic economic policy checklist of Hitler against Paul Ryan or whoever and thus concluding that he was somehow a “centrist” is about the most context-devoid, anachronistic, ahistorical and, above all, just plain idiotic way of going about defining fascism that I could possibly imagine.
no.

"centrist" is a fair way to describe various ideologies with economic policy outside of the 'standard' post-1945 usage communism/socialism vs capitalism binary, so i'm going to keep doing that

The term you are looking for is "third position". Third positionism can no more be assumed to be "centrist" than a city that is not in Tennessee can be assumed to be in Middle Tennessee.
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