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« on: October 03, 2021, 03:25:51 PM »
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« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2021, 03:31:36 PM »
He's not wrong, though they're not really an important ally either.
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« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2021, 03:31:58 PM »
He also threatened "the loss of a Jewish homeland" several years back, which would have been a major diplomatic incident if he was not an irrelevant old crazy man.

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« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2021, 03:33:40 PM »
« Edited: October 03, 2021, 03:49:50 PM by KaiserDave »
Quote from: Make America Neoliberal Again on October 03, 2021, 03:31:58 PM
He also threatened "the loss of a Jewish homeland" several years back, which would have been a major diplomatic incident if he was not an irrelevant old crazy man.



I'm not sure what the issue is. Cheap bigoted political crooks like Netanyahu and Likud and their cheap bigotry and criminality are putting the Jewish democracy at risk, he's not wrong.
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« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2021, 04:59:01 PM »
Absolutely correct.

It's time we acknowledge the emperor has no clothes and stop pretending Israel is a functioning democratic state that respects human rights.
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« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2021, 05:46:07 PM »
it's a 100% true but honestly, who cares? i don't live there so not my problem
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« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2021, 06:01:17 PM »
Based Howard Dean? Not exactly who you'd expect, but I'll take it.
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« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2021, 06:06:23 PM »
Quote from: ADAMS-JEFFERSON DEMOCRAT on October 03, 2021, 04:59:01 PM
Absolutely correct.

It's time we acknowledge the emperor has no clothes and stop pretending Israel is a functioning democratic state that respects human rights.

Are you proposing that Israel should be abolished?
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« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2021, 06:13:43 PM »
I agree with Howard Dean here.
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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2021, 06:21:42 PM »
Quote from: Calthrina950 on October 03, 2021, 06:06:23 PM
Quote from: ADAMS-JEFFERSON DEMOCRAT on October 03, 2021, 04:59:01 PM
Absolutely correct.

It's time we acknowledge the emperor has no clothes and stop pretending Israel is a functioning democratic state that respects human rights.

Are you proposing that Israel should be abolished?

What does that mean?

No, I'm proposing that Israel end discrimination against the Arabs and stop destroying their homes and killing their children.  It shouldn't be controversial, but it is, because AIPAC.
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« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2021, 08:41:38 PM »
Howard Dean Green Party campaign please.
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« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2021, 09:38:46 PM »
Quote from: ADAMS-JEFFERSON DEMOCRAT on October 03, 2021, 06:21:42 PM
Quote from: Calthrina950 on October 03, 2021, 06:06:23 PM
Quote from: ADAMS-JEFFERSON DEMOCRAT on October 03, 2021, 04:59:01 PM
Absolutely correct.

It's time we acknowledge the emperor has no clothes and stop pretending Israel is a functioning democratic state that respects human rights.

Are you proposing that Israel should be abolished?

What does that mean?

No, I'm proposing that Israel end discrimination against the Arabs and stop destroying their homes and killing their children.  It shouldn't be controversial, but it is, because AIPAC.

Israel does not destroy the homes of Arab civilians, it does not murder Arab children, and it does not discriminate against Arab citizens.
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« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2021, 11:27:10 PM »
The apartheid analogy is unfair. South Africa would have never treated black Africans the way Israel treats Arabs.
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« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2021, 11:55:55 PM »
Gotta love the Eve Fartlow cameo.
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« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2021, 12:45:55 AM »
I’m interested in how exactly this development came out to be. Howard Dean is pretty much a standard, generic New Democrat embedded with his own machine, so what’s the trigger for this shift.
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« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2021, 12:53:58 AM »
Israel is by far the most democratic country in the Mideast.  The treatment of the Palestinians is terrible, but I wouldn’t compare Israel to apartheid South Africa.
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« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2021, 01:17:42 AM »
No it's not and he should stop saying that they need a peace deal but Hana's keeps messing it up
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« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2021, 06:21:25 AM »
Leftists always delve into the same hyperboles and dramatic statements on that issue- apartheid, genocide, zionism is racism... It's not just wrong, it's a stupid hill to die on. Other than feeling good about ourselves with our fellow leftists in the internet and academia, calling Israel an apartheid state is not helping anyone.

There's a strong enough word for the situation between Israel and Palestine that is actually accurate- occupation. Use it.
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« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2021, 06:58:49 AM »
An occupation where Jews are settling and are given civil/political rights as opposed to non-Jews
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« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2021, 07:13:54 AM »
Remember when this guy helped us win big in 2006?

Now he's apparently tied his anchor to the "Squad" that will be lucky to leave us with 10 seats in all of Congress come 2023.
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« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2021, 10:35:50 AM »
Quote from: Alben Barkley on October 04, 2021, 07:13:54 AM
Remember when this guy helped us win big in 2006?

Now he's apparently tied his anchor to the "Squad" that will be lucky to leave us with 10 seats in all of Congress come 2023.
What....what??? This just so delusional on so many levels. Criticizing the bigotry and criminality of the Likud is not "the squad". Wowee.
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« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2021, 12:09:11 PM »
Quote from: KaiserDave on October 04, 2021, 10:35:50 AM
Quote from: Alben Barkley on October 04, 2021, 07:13:54 AM
Remember when this guy helped us win big in 2006?

Now he's apparently tied his anchor to the "Squad" that will be lucky to leave us with 10 seats in all of Congress come 2023.
What....what??? This just so delusional on so many levels. Criticizing the bigotry and criminality of the Likud is not "the squad". Wowee.

Likud isn’t even in power anymore
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« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2021, 01:07:18 PM »
Quote from: The Democratic Party Left Me on October 04, 2021, 12:09:11 PM
Quote from: KaiserDave on October 04, 2021, 10:35:50 AM
Quote from: Alben Barkley on October 04, 2021, 07:13:54 AM
Remember when this guy helped us win big in 2006?

Now he's apparently tied his anchor to the "Squad" that will be lucky to leave us with 10 seats in all of Congress come 2023.
What....what??? This just so delusional on so many levels. Criticizing the bigotry and criminality of the Likud is not "the squad". Wowee.

Likud isn’t even in power anymore

Yep, and it was never about the Likud.

Whether Dean intended it to be a threat or not, "the loss of a Jewish homeland" is one of those sentences that is only going to be read one way.
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« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2021, 01:35:12 PM »
Israel is the the "best" country in the Middle East, which is damning with very faint praise indeed.
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« Reply #24 on: October 04, 2021, 01:51:24 PM »
Quote from: The Democratic Party Left Me on October 04, 2021, 12:09:11 PM
Quote from: KaiserDave on October 04, 2021, 10:35:50 AM
Quote from: Alben Barkley on October 04, 2021, 07:13:54 AM
Remember when this guy helped us win big in 2006?

Now he's apparently tied his anchor to the "Squad" that will be lucky to leave us with 10 seats in all of Congress come 2023.
What....what??? This just so delusional on so many levels. Criticizing the bigotry and criminality of the Likud is not "the squad". Wowee.

Likud isn’t even in power anymore

Bennet is no better than Bibi on settlements, treatment of Palestinians etc.
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