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« on: October 02, 2021, 10:21:12 AM »

What is your opinion of Old Man Marley Rutherford B. Hayes?
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« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2021, 11:24:15 AM »

The Rs were more conservative than Lincoln but they do were the Secular party as they were the compassionate conservatives and there were the Dixiecrat Party

The Parties we're reverse die to Jim Crow and Slavery and then starting I'm 1900 when the Industrial Tree evolution came, it was called the Labor and Tories due to Income tax passed in 1917, but Jim Crow still rules D's until FDR due to Chain Gang and no Public Defender's and Miranda Rights until 1963
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« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2021, 03:24:13 PM »

HP solely for being known as Rutherford B. Hayes. Really, is the "B" necessary? Are there any other Rutherford Hayeses out there?
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« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2021, 03:29:40 PM »

FF. Probably the last GOP nominee that I would have voted for, with the exception of Teddy Roosevelt in 1904.
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« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2021, 12:18:46 AM »

Wtf are people judging him on that he has a 73.3% approval rating?
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« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2021, 12:21:41 AM »

HP, ended Reconstruction and did little to reign in the spoils system, the two main issues of his time. I'd have voted for him, because Tilden was worse, but that's not saying much.
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« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2021, 12:29:39 AM »

Wtf are people judging him on that he has a 73.3% approval rating?

"He was the best President since JQA with the exception of Abraham Lincoln" - his take on his Presidency and decision to retire after one term.

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« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2021, 12:36:40 AM »

HP, ended Reconstruction and did little to reign in the spoils system, the two main issues of his time. I'd have voted for him, because Tilden was worse, but that's not saying much.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1874_and_1875_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections

As Tim Turner pointed out in another recent thread, the narrative regarding Hayes and reconstruction is over emphasized usually by Tilden sympathizers, including but not limited to Mr. Beat on his YouTube channel. However this ignores the reality that Tilden would have certainly done the same thing as would any other Democrat by this point.

The economic collapse, Grant's unpopularity and the lack of interest by Northern voters is what "ended" reconstruction, and after that point Republicans could either accept that and salvage themselves politically or lose and have the same result happen anyway. Either way reconstruction was not going to survive the decade and a Republican was certainly preferable to any Democrat of this period.
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« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2021, 12:40:50 AM »

HP, ended Reconstruction and did little to reign in the spoils system, the two main issues of his time. I'd have voted for him, because Tilden was worse, but that's not saying much.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1874_and_1875_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections

As Tim Turner pointed out in another recent thread, the narrative regarding Hayes and reconstruction is over emphasized usually by Tilden sympathizers, including but not limited to Mr. Beat on his YouTube channel. However this ignores the reality that Tilden would have certainly done the same thing as would any other Democrat by this point.

The economic collapse, Grant's unpopularity and the lack of interest by Northern voters is what "ended" reconstruction, and after that point Republicans could either accept that and salvage themselves politically or lose and have the same result happen anyway. Either way reconstruction was not going to survive the decade and a Republican was certainly preferable to any Democrat of this period.

I tend to agree with you, and Tilden would have been even more sympathetic to Southern interests (and imo a very awful president, if he had won), however I still look unfavorably on his decision to end Reconstruction, and he doesn't have many accomplishments to offset that flaw. The Tilden apologia is beyond awful, and I agree with that part of your comment.
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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2021, 12:55:37 AM »

Wtf are people judging him on that he has a 73.3% approval rating?

"He was the best President since JQA with the exception of Abraham Lincoln" - his take on his Presidency and decision to retire after one term.

What a weirdo.
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« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2021, 01:10:42 AM »

Ending Reconstruction like 3 months early from the last two holdouts really changed nothing. Even if he left the troops there a bit longer 80 years of Jim Crow was sadly unstoppable.

Aside from that, he did make one of the best SCOTUS appointments ever with John Marshall Harlan.
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« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2021, 04:30:54 AM »

Given the deeply contentious circumstances of his accession (tbh the main thing that I, as with many others, know him for) things might have gone a lot worse than they actually did.
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« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2021, 10:28:08 AM »
« Edited: October 03, 2021, 02:22:49 PM by Frodo »

HP, ended Reconstruction and did little to reign in the spoils system, the two main issues of his time. I'd have voted for him, because Tilden was worse, but that's not saying much.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1874_and_1875_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections

As Tim Turner pointed out in another recent thread, the narrative regarding Hayes and reconstruction is over emphasized usually by Tilden sympathizers, including but not limited to Mr. Beat on his YouTube channel. However this ignores the reality that Tilden would have certainly done the same thing as would any other Democrat by this point.

The economic collapse, Grant's unpopularity and the lack of interest by Northern voters is what "ended" reconstruction, and after that point Republicans could either accept that and salvage themselves politically or lose and have the same result happen anyway. Either way reconstruction was not going to survive the decade and a Republican was certainly preferable to any Democrat of this period.

Reconstruction may have been ultimately doomed, but I would have preferred a Democrat doing the deed as opposed to a Republican.  At least with a President Tilden, the Party of Lincoln would not have been tainted by this perception of betrayal of their recently-freed southern black constituents.
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« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2021, 12:15:21 PM »

Ending Reconstruction like 3 months early from the last two holdouts really changed nothing. Even if he left the troops there a bit longer 80 years of Jim Crow was sadly unstoppable.
Pretty obviously wrong when Reconstruction survived in the upper South until the late 1890s!
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