Why China is better than the US.

[SnowLabrador]

They beat COVID while only losing 4,636 people, per the New York Times tracker. They've got much better infrastructure than the United States, and they've been vaccinating their own people at a breakneck pace while also helping poorer countries get their people vaccinated. The allegations of human rights abuses in China are simply the right wing trying to manufacture consent for war.

[Horus]

Cool, move. We could stand to lose a few doomers and you live in a state where your vote is irrelevant.

Plus if you live in China you won't be able to access this forum. We all win.

[Silent Hunter]

They beat COVID while only losing 4,636 people, per the New York Times tracker. They've got much better infrastructure than the United States, and they've been vaccinating their own people at a breakneck pace while also helping poorer countries get their people vaccinated. The allegations of human rights abuses in China are simply the right wing trying to manufacture consent for war.

Do you honestly believe their Covid numbers? Because I don't.

[President Johnson]

Lmao, they're hiding the real numbers just like they pull their incompetence at the beginning of the pandemic under the rug. It's a disgrace there hasn't been a real investigation into what happened in the early days.

[Conservatopia]

Why herpes is better than ice cream.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

The allegations of human rights abuses in China are simply the right wing trying to manufacture consent for war.

You are a moral vacuum and a credulous fool

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

Cool, move. We could stand to lose a few doomers and you live in a state where your vote is irrelevant.

Plus if you live in China you won't be able to access this forum. We all win.

Actually you can, I've accessed this forum from China before.

[The Dowager Mod]

v0031 has been accessing the forum from China since 2005.

[2952-0-0]

The CCP elite are all desperate to move their ill-gotten gains, their children, and their mistresses to the US, or Canada, or Australia. That tells you all you need to know about the OP's claim.

[Stranger in a strange land]

Lmao, they're hiding the real numbers just like they pull their incompetence at the beginning of the pandemic under the rug. It's a disgrace there hasn't been a real investigation into what happened in the early days.

While the official numbers are almost certainly fake and the real figures for both infections and deaths are much higher, there's little doubt they handled the pandemic more effectively than almost any other country, especially the US.

[Silent Hunter]

They let the thing spread over the whole planet, so that's not really effective handling.

[CumbrianLefty]

What an utterly ridiculous thread.

[MATTROSE94]

The allegations of human rights abuses in China are simply the right wing trying to manufacture consent for war.

You are a moral vacuum and a credulous fool

I agree with SnowLabrador as well. China in many respects has a better human rights record than the US.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I agree with SnowLabrador as well. China in many respects has a better human rights record than the US.

In which specific respects. Enumerate them and elaborate.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I'd like to believe the China simps in this thread and others are getting paid for their good work, but the sad truth is that they're genuinely just useful idiots.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

I agree with SnowLabrador as well. China in many respects has a better human rights record than the US.

In which specific respects. Enumerate them and elaborate.

I suppose they have a better human rights record in the old Roman understanding of rights where parricides had the "right" to be stuffed into a sack full of poisonous snakes and thrown into the Tiber, but only if one sees almost every form of social nonconformity under the sun as morally criminal.

[It’s so Joever]

1. We don’t know the true numbers in China. Not because “China intentionally hid everything on a National level and created Covid” like so many Atlas posters seem to want to believe without any evidence (it’s one thing to call for an investigation, it’s another to throw accusations) but because Covid literally started in a semi-periphery country with large rural areas which are underdeveloped in the middle of flu season. There probably were plenty of Covid cases throughout December, and if even wager that it’s possible Covid didn’t at al start in Wuhan, but instead began in some rural village before making its way to the city.

2. You’re comparing the best of China to the worst of the US. You think every corner of China has a high speed railway? Sure the big cities are well connected, but once you go out West...lol.

3.Sinovac appears to be less effective and may be pretty helpless against delta.

4. No. We actually have plenty of good observations and analyses demonstrating massive human rights (if you believe in human rights) breaches. Unlike the Covid conspiracies which still are completely unfounded and unproven, these breaches are well documented.

[It’s so Joever]

They let the thing spread over the whole planet, so that's not really effective handling.

With that logic Italy is the worst in all of Europe.

[Santander]

China is better than the US, but not for this reason, lol.

[Libertas Vel Mors]

The allegations of human rights abuses in China are simply the right wing trying to manufacture consent for war.

You are a moral vacuum and a credulous fool

I agree with SnowLabrador as well. China in many respects has a better human rights record than the US.

Iranian flag on account

No surprise

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Not the MA avatar I expected to start this thread!

Either way, bad thread is bad.

[Telesquare]

https://twitter.com/kron4news/status/1432361216035414022
Uh no.

[Red Velvet]

Not sure what “better” means, it’s very subjective.

But they’re definitely going to surpass US in terms of global power. They’re much more capable than the Soviet Union ever was.

US had a period of decline in the 70s that feels kinda light when you look at them nowadays, but Soviet Union was also going it’s own trend of decline, mostly economical, that they acted like they didn’t see and that only accentuated in the 80s. When they chose to not ignore, it was already too late.

Meaning, there wasn’t actual alternative to US hegemony in the 70s. Also, Reagan started the project of Hegemony 2.0 to revive things that were looking bad in the 70s, which was kept and built on by Bush Sr. and Clinton. That said, 90s were a period of too excessive optimism for US. The 00s were a terrible decade for them though, with 9/11 and all its consequences (that we still see) and also effects from 2008 economic crisis.

Neither Bush or Obama did what was necessary to reverse the decline trend, idk if they lacked long term vision (too blind) or if they were just too much cowards to go against establishment status-quo. And then Trump was the final nail on the coffin, a direct consequence of that inaction. Also, in-line the 70s, China is on the rise and is much more formidable competition for the long term than Soviet Union ever was.

Biden feels like he’s better than Bush-Obama-Trump but it also may be “too little too late”? The infrastructure projects are nice and finally put things on the right track for them but at same time are still somewhat not ambitious enough. American decline has more to do with domestic issues than international ones. Leadership really concerned about reversing the trend would push for policies like universal free healthcare and try to create a social pact with the public for the interests of the nation.

However it often feels like the citizens are treated with condescension or their will silenced by bigger powers. Just look at the media scandal trying to reverse something that a majority of people wanted for example. American elites are biggest responsible for their own decline. I can imagine them sabotaging Biden enough out of spite and that leading to Trump’s return. Then we can pretty much declare the “death” of the US as an empire.

[The Simpsons Cinematic Universe]

The Chinese COVID numbers are true. Anyone who lives here could tell you that.

But I don't think it's proof of systematic superiority. In times of crisis, governments become more authoritarian. China is more authoritarian than America, and can handle at least this kind of crisis much better.

Is China's style of government more suited to the future? Perhaps so, but there are some innate advantages to democracy too. The desire for autonomy is a fundamental part of human psychology and one that Western democracy is just undoubtedly fantastic at meeting. This is why authoritarian countries always have the POTENTIAL for drastic political change, if the government really does seriously  up. Ideological liberalism is well calibrated to human psychology in a way other ideologies are not.

[It’s so Joever]

1. We don’t know the true numbers in China. Not because “China intentionally hid everything on a National level and created Covid” like so many Atlas posters seem to want to believe without any evidence (it’s one thing to call for an investigation, it’s another to throw accusations) but because Covid literally started in a semi-periphery country with large rural areas which are underdeveloped in the middle of flu season. There probably were plenty of Covid cases throughout December, and if even wager that it’s possible Covid didn’t at al start in Wuhan, but instead began in some rural village before making its way to the city.

2. You’re comparing the best of China to the worst of the US. You think every corner of China has a high speed railway? Sure the big cities are well connected, but once you go out West...lol.

3.Sinovac appears to be less effective and may be pretty helpless against delta.

4. No. We actually have plenty of good observations and analyses demonstrating massive human rights (if you believe in human rights) breaches. Unlike the Covid conspiracies which still are completely unfounded and unproven, these breaches are well documented.

I can see a country like Canada have a better standard of living but China, not so much. Canada isn’t going around killing its indigenous people with concentration camps that are obviously genocidal and explicitly profiting off of them while denying there is a genocide. Canada also legalized Same Sex Marrisge in 2005 while China basically denies homosexuality is natural. Fascism is not cool at all and I can’t trust a country run by a guy scared of Winnie the Pooh.  China obviously has lied about its record as it is almost certainly much worse.

Wrong comment you replied to.