If Ashli Babbitt had lived, what penalty should she have received?

[Anti-Trump Truth Socialite JD Vance Enjoying Juror]

I said 6 months to 1 year. There's some wiggle room on that, but at the end of the day she wasn't one of the ones who assaulted people. The fact that 50% of Atlasians are voting for 10+ years, life imprisonment, or the death penalty is bizarre and a bit disturbing.

She attempted to overthrow our democracy. Seeking to topple a legally elected government and install a dictatorship is owning every murder, rape, and misery that would occur under said tyranny. That's why people are 'disturbingly' hard on treachery.

Ashli Babbitt wanted to turn hundreds of millions of people into slaves. Whether you think her derangement was solvable or not, expecting that crime to be forgiven in six months is obscene.

Go outside and take a few breaths, okay? Her crime was breaking into the Capitol Building and delaying the certification, not whatever slavery nightmare fantasy you're raving about.

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

Well being charged with normal trespassing is not good enough for the crime, but that's about six months in prison and a few hundred to a thousand in fines.

She knowingly trespassed on capitol grounds, which is another crime in itself. That encompasses any damages she may have caused to stuff in the capitol, and since we don't know for sure who broke what we'll leave it at that. That's another six months and a few thousand in fines.

I also think she could be charged under statues against conspiracy to commit treason, which storming the capitol with the intent to stage a coup certainly qualifies. This carries a maximum sentence of 14 years.

So in total I think she should have served ~12-14 years in prison and several thousand in fines.

Personally I would have been fine with all the rioters who entered the capitol to be sentenced to 5-25 years in prison, and sentencing the leaders to either life with parole or to a CIA blacksite in the Sahara desert.

[Vaccinated Russian Bear]

Geez. Judging from the results, it wasn't a hyperbole when Trump said that "Americans of all political beliefs are sick and tired of radical, rage-filled, left socialists." Really radical and rage-filled.

[Alben Barkley]

Probation or a short jail sentence like most of them. (The leaders of the riots, Trump included, are the ones who deserve harsher sentences.)

Death penalty is wrong always and I thought we were opposed to excessively harsh penalties and overcrowded prisons?

I’m even OK with Sirhan Sirhan being paroled, and he killed RFK. Babbitt was just one a number of brainwashed lunatics caught up in a mob. She didn’t deserve any especially extreme penalty, but it was  also correct to shoot her when she broke the window and started coming through. Might seem paradoxical but not really. Using necessary force to stop a crime and potentially protect people in the moment is very different from executing them after the fact when you already have them in custody or they are no longer an imminent threat.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Love to see people who claim to oppose tough on crime politics call for extreme sentences when it’s someone they don’t agree with

A lot of people on both sides seem to have done a 180 here compared to their normal stated positions.

It's a reflection of the lack of an honest sense of justice in far too many of our posters.  Whether one is guilty or what penalty one deserves for wrongdoing seems to be based on how that judgement squares with previous political statements.

The test of fairness is when you can apply principles to parties you don't like as well as parties you do.

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

Geez. Judging from the results, it wasn't a hyperbole when Trump said that "Americans of all political beliefs are sick and tired of radical, rage-filled, left socialists." Really radical and rage-filled.

lol imagine me being considered a socialist.

[Donerail]

She attempted to overthrow our democracy. Seeking to topple a legally elected government and install a dictatorship is owning every murder, rape, and misery that would occur under said tyranny. That's why people are 'disturbingly' hard on treachery.

Ashli Babbitt wanted to turn hundreds of millions of people into slaves. Whether you think her derangement was solvable or not, expecting that crime to be forgiven in six months is obscene.

Go outside and take a few breaths, okay? Her crime was breaking into the Capitol Building and delaying the certification, not whatever slavery nightmare fantasy you're raving about.

She was attempting to change the outcome of a democratic election by threat of violence. The destruction of democracy means we are no longer free. My family and I are well versed in what comes after. I'm happy for you that you don't feel unsafe.

A handful of the dumbest people alive wandered into a building, took some selfies, smashed some stuff and then went home. Not sure how you get from that to reinstating slavery. Have you gone outside yet?

[Fuzzy Bear]

She attempted to overthrow our democracy. Seeking to topple a legally elected government and install a dictatorship is owning every murder, rape, and misery that would occur under said tyranny. That's why people are 'disturbingly' hard on treachery.

Ashli Babbitt wanted to turn hundreds of millions of people into slaves. Whether you think her derangement was solvable or not, expecting that crime to be forgiven in six months is obscene.

Go outside and take a few breaths, okay? Her crime was breaking into the Capitol Building and delaying the certification, not whatever slavery nightmare fantasy you're raving about.

She was attempting to change the outcome of a democratic election by threat of violence. The destruction of democracy means we are no longer free. My family and I are well versed in what comes after. I'm happy for you that you don't feel unsafe.

A handful of the dumbest people alive wandered into a building, took some selfies, smashed some stuff and then went home. Not sure how you get from that to reinstating slavery. Have you gone outside yet?

The Nazis were dumbasses too. Multiple people entered the Capitol with violent intentions, and demonstrated it from the start with their attacks on the police.

When someone is actually charged with Sedition, let me know.

Merrick Garland would love to do so, but he can't.

[Nightcore Nationalist]

Probation for 6 months to a year and a fine.  Same as someone rioting in the streets of Minneapolis or Portland. 

[Bleach Blonde Bad Built Butch Bodies for Biden]

This thread really shows the extent to which red-av 'doomerism' can go. Folks, I understand that the last four years have been sh!t. But seriously, try going out for a walk some time - without the mask.

If there were ever an attempted insurrection, the National Guard would immediately be called in and the whole thing would be over in five minutes. No, Trump's input would not be necessary. The United States isn't a failed state yet.

[SWE]

Trump, Cotton, Cruz, and other politicians who were complicit should have been executed, but none of the random people who were there should face anything more than a slap on the wrist

[Ferguson97]

Love to see people who claim to oppose tough on crime politics call for extreme sentences when it’s someone they don’t agree with

Wow almost like there's a difference between locking up teenagers for 30 years for carrying an ounce of weed, and a terrorist trying to overthrow the government.

[Anti-Trump Truth Socialite JD Vance Enjoying Juror]

I said 6 months to 1 year. There's some wiggle room on that, but at the end of the day she wasn't one of the ones who assaulted people. The fact that 50% of Atlasians are voting for 10+ years, life imprisonment, or the death penalty is bizarre and a bit disturbing.

She attempted to overthrow our democracy. Seeking to topple a legally elected government and install a dictatorship is owning every murder, rape, and misery that would occur under said tyranny. That's why people are 'disturbingly' hard on treachery.

Ashli Babbitt wanted to turn hundreds of millions of people into slaves. Whether you think her derangement was solvable or not, expecting that crime to be forgiven in six months is obscene.

Go outside and take a few breaths, okay? Her crime was breaking into the Capitol Building and delaying the certification, not whatever slavery nightmare fantasy you're raving about.

She was attempting to change the outcome of a democratic election by threat of violence. The destruction of democracy means we are no longer free. My family and I are well versed in what comes after. I'm happy for you that you don't feel unsafe.

Just because your family went through tough times in the dictatorship they were from doesn't mean that your statement from earlier makes sense. Using ridiculous hyperbole about rape, murder, and slavery is unnecessary.

It's disingenuous to act as though Babbitt was some kind of mastermind, plotting to treasonously turn millions into slaves. There was no mind and no plot. Trump riled up the crowd and got them breaking into the building, but there was clearly no pre-existing plot or plan. Even if there were though, it is the planners and plotters who would deserve the stiff sentences and decades long jail terms, not the individual members of the crowd.

Of course, non-leader members of the crowd who committed violent acts also deserve stiff penalties, but that doesn't apply to her either. What happened was that she forced her way into the Capitol Building as a non-violent member of a disorganized and sometimes violent crowd. She then tried to break into a sealed area, and the police officer who shot her made a justifiable decision in assuming that somebody who does that is a serious threat. At no point did her actions directly harm anyone but herself.

Basically, my point is that there should be different levels of punishment for the the different levels of involvement. People who were actually plotting or inciting the attack should be given harsh punishments. People who committed acts of violence also deserve strong punishments. But someone who "merely" broke into the Capitol does not deserve the highest punishment.

My proposed sentence was admittedly low, but I wouldn't have any problem if she was sentenced to 5 years or something like that. My problem was with people implying that what she did was worthy of life imprisonment or even the death penalty, punishments which are reserved for the absolute worst offenders.

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

Love to see people who claim to oppose tough on crime politics call for extreme sentences when it’s someone they don’t agree with

Wow almost like there's a difference between locking up teenagers for 30 years for carrying an ounce of weed, and a terrorist trying to overthrow the government.

It's almost like neither of these editorialized and fantastical scenarios has ever happened in America. So you want sentencing reform for three people?

[Reaganfan Democrat]

In America, realistically, no more than a year in prison.

In a country that respects strength and freedom, they would've been met with soldiers and tanks and gunned down outside the Capitol, shot in the back as they fled like the vermin they are.

[Ferguson97]

Love to see people who claim to oppose tough on crime politics call for extreme sentences when it’s someone they don’t agree with

Wow almost like there's a difference between locking up teenagers for 30 years for carrying an ounce of weed, and a terrorist trying to overthrow the government.

It's almost like neither of these editorialized and fantastical scenarios has ever happened in America. So you want sentencing reform for three people?

You have no idea what you're talking about.

One of those happened last January, the other has happened continuously since the 1970s.

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

Love to see people who claim to oppose tough on crime politics call for extreme sentences when it’s someone they don’t agree with

Wow almost like there's a difference between locking up teenagers for 30 years for carrying an ounce of weed, and a terrorist trying to overthrow the government.

It's almost like neither of these editorialized and fantastical scenarios has ever happened in America. So you want sentencing reform for three people?

You have no idea what you're talking about.

One of those happened last January, the other has happened continuously since the 1970s.

Surely you are referring the small time dealers, which is still criminal albeit too harshly punished, and third-strike possessions, which while ridiculous, is hardly happening to teenagers. I really struggled to find a relevant news article describing what you exaggerate for effect. And naturally you exaggerate the other point even more extravagantly when there is little indication her actions differed much at all from any "peaceful" protestor that I ever encountered.