Zogby Interactive polls: Ford, McCaskill, and Webb all trail

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-elections06.html?project=elections06-ft&h=495&w=778&hasAd=1&mod=blogs

[Tender Branson]

McCaskill trails only by 1-2%, Menendez is ahead. I see gains ahead on Nov. 7 ...

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Not in TN and VA that people overestimated.

[Democratic Hawk]

Since its Zogby, I won't read much into these polls

Dave

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

When Zogby have Dems ahead like Webb it is alright to listen, but when he doesn't they are crap. They are tracking polls, that's what it should be taken into account.

[Democratic Hawk]

They are tracking polls, that's what it should be taken into account.

Are they continuously conducted over a month period (i.e. from one poll to another) adding a a fresh batch of respondents each day?

The problem with Zogby is that many people question its online interactive methodology

Dave

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Yea, but all I am saying is take all the polls into account don't just pick and chose which ones you like. And we still haven't heard from Mason-dixon in OH, MO, TN, and VA, which polls weed out all the democratic biased  to me.

[ATFFL]

Quincy:

I can cite posts in the lat week where you say to ignore Zogby.  Do yourself a favor:

Pick one position and stick with it.


This is Zogby interactive.  In 2004, he had 60% of his polls outside the margin of error.  My dog did as well picking the winners of states as Mr. Zogby.  Until he shows he has actually fixed his problems, toss it.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

But in 2004 he only got 2 states wrong which were NM and FL. I am not saying you should go strickly by it but you should factor it in in with the other polls. By the way I said you should toss out the Zogby polls that aren't realistic like VA was but the ones that are realistic then you shouldn't and these polls are more realistic this time, except for NJ.

[Eraserhead]

Zogby has Ford, McCaskill and Webb behind you say? Great. That could actually be a pretty good sign for all we know.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

You mock me but you were quoting Zogby last month when you said Zogby has Webb ahead. I see your rationale quote Zogby when he is right, mock him when he is wrong. And the markets are saying the same exact thing the republicans retain the senate.

[ATFFL]

Searching all Eraserhead polls for a mention of both "Webb" and "Zogby" finds that 1 is a quote of you and the other 3 all include a slam on Zogby refusing to accept the results at face value while hoping the result is true.

Sorry, but he has never stated or implied that Zogby is right; only hoped that he is right.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

But he has mentioned Zogby in his CT senate poll race citing optimism that Lamont will win. But fail to mention the others. So, he has two the quote for Webb and the quote from Lamont. Like I said when he shows a Dem bias I point that out, but when he isn't I don't point it out, in his last two, he showed a Dem bias, and now he doesn't.

[ATFFL]

I cannot find any posts where Eraserhead comments on both Zogby and the Connecticut race. 

In the words of the great state of Missouri:  Show Me.

[Eraserhead]

But he has mentioned Zogby in his CT senate poll race citing optimism that Lamont will win. But fail to mention the others. So, he has two the quote for Webb and the quote from Lamont. Like I said when he shows a Dem bias I point that out, but when he isn't I don't point it out, in his last two, he showed a Dem bias, and now he doesn't.

I never cited Zogby as a source for optimism in CT Senate Race. I recall just mentioning that it did agree with the recent ARG and Rasmussen polls and then I said that it didn't mean it was right though.

So in the immortal words of Gary Coleman: What you talkin' 'bout Willis?

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

But he did on the Va senate race and that is all that matters.

[ATFFL]

But he did on the Va senate race and that is all that matters.

I already demonstrated he did not.

For the sake of all involved, please reconcile with reality.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

You said that he hoped that it was right but he still went by it and that all that matters to me. And I see this map being more realistic despite what the polls say, the Dems once held 20 pt lead has narrowed to 9 pts in the latest Zogby poll.

[DownWithTheLeft]

Probably the worst:

Cardin up 13!

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

They fixed the VA problem though and the other states.

[Eraserhead]

You said that he hoped that it was right but he still went by it and that all that matters to me. And I see this map being more realistic despite what the polls say, the Dems once held 20 pt lead has narrowed to 9 pts in the latest Zogby poll.

I never went by the absurd Zogby poll that had Webb up 8 points. Don't put words in my mouth. I was the one who posted that group of Zogby polls and made a point of saying how ridiculous most of them were. Hoping a poll is true is not the same as believing a poll is true. I never believed that poll was correct.

[Mike in Maryland]

Probably the worst:

Cardin up 13!

That's not far off from the Baltimore Sun/Potomac Research poll that had Cardin up by 11.  Even so, I don't buy either one.  I think Cardin is up by about 5 or 6, aggregating the polls together.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Hoping is justifying the polls, if one doesn't believe in the polls the one doesn't get their hopes up it is just simple as that. I never got my hopes up on that Zogby poll but you did that is the difference. As far as these polls being inaccurate, I would remind you that Zogby has the same approval rating at everyone else does in at 42% and he has the Dems ahead on the ballot by 9 points, I don't think you can call that absurb.

[Eraserhead]

But you did quote saying Webb was up. Anyway, I don't think these polls are absurb, because Zogby has the generic ballot Dems up 9 and Bush approvals at 42%, to dispute that is not being truthful, just because they disagree with you. Polls should be average with all of them. And these are tracking polls.

Sigh...you wanna follow Zogby's polls.. fine. Get ready to be disappointed and/or suprised on election day. I should know it happened to me in 2004.

And if I was quoted saying Webb was "up". Lets see the quote because I don't recall that and Tredrick can't find anything.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

I didn't say you said he was ahead, but you the one who goes by Dem skewed polls not me. The poll in Va corresponds to the polls and the polls in every state corresponds to the polls. Again, I said I never got my hopes up after I saw that VA, you did that is the difference. And no polls has Ford ahead except a Survey USa poll that was skewed. No poll has Allen up so I will go by it. The difference in Zogby in 2004 was that it was a liberal bias not a conservative bias.